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Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck.

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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

Chinese culture is fascinating, yeah it may look funny but if you dwell or understand their belief, these are based on practicality and harmony, they rely heavily on luck in their practice of Fengsui and other ancient practices, this is advice to test their luck and not for them to put a lot of money and gamble everything, I'm sure there is a limit to that test and do not want their practitioners to end up as compulsive gamblers.

Almost all cultures or religion believe that there is a powerful Being that controls the affairs of humanity. They believe that it is this Supernatural Being that brings wealth and prosperity. Although some religion forbids it but gambling is one of the means they believe that their gods can give financial prosperity. It is also good to learn that apart from winning big most gamblers gamble for fun. I guess that research was done in the developed world where the standard of living is very high. But in developing world that is facing poverty and economic challenges, most people gamble for profit and nothing more.

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Quote from: aioc on July 20, 2022, 06:30:17 PM

Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

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Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck.

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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

Chinese culture is fascinating, yeah it may look funny but if you dwell or understand their belief, these are based on practicality and harmony, they rely heavily on luck in their practice of Fengsui and other ancient practices, this is advice to test their luck and not for them to put a lot of money and gamble everything, I'm sure there is a limit to that test and do not want their practitioners to end up as compulsive gamblers.

People may find it important to test their luck in important days to check if they should do something they are in doubt about, like to start an investment, to marry, to travel, to make a great purchase... If the gambling result is positive, it's a signal they should go on, but if the result is negative, it's a warning they should be more careful, give up or simply wait a little longer for a better opportunity.

For some people it can look strange, but when you have come from traditional families or millennial cultures which have been keeping these habits alive for generations, it's just part of the routine and in fact, to not follow them would mean a strange thing for those people.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment is still very long, now I add that some people gamble to practice skills and also because it has become their culture (like the Chinese people)

I think no need to discuss it. I mean I don't know why should we go deep on this.

My question is, is that really a debatable thing why people are gambling be it for money and entertainment? We have different approaches to gambling and we can't apply it to everyone. Why it should be argued? If I do gambling because of money then I don't care for the purpose of others. That's out of our concern already.

If we gamble, we don't need to go technical on other things. I don't even see this as a help to become a better gambler.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

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Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck.

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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

Chinese culture is fascinating, yeah it may look funny but if you dwell or understand their belief, these are based on practicality and harmony, they rely heavily on luck in their practice of Fengsui and other ancient practices, this is advice to test their luck and not for them to put a lot of money and gamble everything, I'm sure there is a limit to that test and do not want their practitioners to end up as compulsive gamblers.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

The question is not valid to ask here. Why? Simply because we don't understand why they do gambling out of culture.

Therefore, how can we even answer that if in the very place we are not used to or grow up in that kind of situation? If we were born in a culture like that there will be no question like that obviously. I know there's a freedom of expression here but to say it sounds funny is out of the line.

If you don't understand their culture then stay out of it.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on July 20, 2022, 04:37:55 PM

Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment is still very long, now I add that some people gamble to practice skills and also because it has become their culture (like the Chinese people)

Interesting findings as this comes as an entirely new information to me. A Chinese culture having gambling for a determinate of a person's fated year! This tells how old gambling must have been associated with its people. The truth to the later as I see it is the fact that, gambling is entirely a game of luck, maybe one that comes with a little bit of experience with the game but winning is mainly by luck and having to fate a year being on gambling outcome is entirely a programming of your mind. It's not entirely out of place and is more of a psychological thing as this could build a more positive mindset for an individual who happens to win and vice versa for the loosers. This doesn't mean those who lost have got an ill fated year, its just a mindset.

Whenever you do make yourself believed into something then you would really be ending up on fixating things and wont tend to make out some alterations if you do see different outcome or errors or simply you are losing that much.We know that human mind or brain could really able to create that kind of thing which would really be heavily affecting someones decisions whether into the present or even into future.If you do really fix yourself on believing into something specially dealing on a thing which do involves luck then you would really be seeing different outcomes or situation which make things
even more harder and boggles you off and in result neither you would be finding or believing another thing or would be sticking on what you had believed before.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment is still very long, now I add that some people gamble to practice skills and also because it has become their culture (like the Chinese people)

Interesting findings as this comes as an entirely new information to me. A Chinese culture having gambling for a determinate of a person's fated year! This tells how old gambling must have been associated with its people. The truth to the later as I see it is the fact that, gambling is entirely a game of luck, maybe one that comes with a little bit of experience with the game but winning is mainly by luck and having to fate a year being on gambling outcome is entirely a programming of your mind. It's not entirely out of place and is more of a psychological thing as this could build a more positive mindset for an individual who happens to win and vice versa for the loosers. This doesn't mean those who lost have got an ill fated year, its just a mindset.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 19, 2022, 01:51:45 PM

We have a thread The History Of Gambling. And it shows that the ancient Chinese are one of the forefathers of gambling. So obviously, I will agree that it is part of their culture already. So I'm not shock by the article, they've been into gambling that really someone will what to test their luck to see if they are indeed going to get rich through gambling or have some money. And yeah, we've also discussed the entertaining aspect of it, for pure joy and fun, like playing roulettes or slot machines.

It should not be surprising at all that something like this exist, we even have proverbs like "fortune favors the bold" which can be rephrased as success belongs to those that take risks, and humans as a species reward those that take huge risks and succeed in the process.

So it is not really surprising that gambling is incredibly popular all around the world, even in the countries in which it is forbidden, because it is simply part of our human nature, if to this we add a culture that encourages people to gamble then this will only increase even further the amount of people that love to gamble.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

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Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck.

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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

Culture is history handed down by ancestors, I'm personally honestly it doesn't matter and will try it if gambling belongs to my culture. Due to the fact that my culture is very much forbid gambling which can result in losses with that are far very high risk, but I gambler for fun with money, well maybe came to mind several times also for profits even though I rarely win xD because driven by excessive adrenaline.

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Quote from: davis196 on July 20, 2022, 12:32:03 AM

I don't get the "trying your luck via gambling" thing. You could try your luck without betting money on it. Grin

Unfortunately most of the people gamble because of that hidden subconscious thought that they will make a "big hit" and they will win big money without any efforts. This is basically your "monkey mind" playing tricks on you. I remember that the subconscious mind was called "monkey mind" by buddhism and keeping your monkey mind under control is the most important part of growing as a person.
I'm no expert in Chinese culture and we have to ask some Chinese guy about the theory of gambling being a big part of Chinese culture.
My culture definitely doesn't require me to gamble. Gambling is still viewed as a bad thing where I live, despite many people visiting the offline casinos and playing lottery.

right, I've read about that "monkey mind" too...

but they say that religion and culture can't be unified, gambling on Chinese holidays has become their tradition long before Buddhism emerged, so they are like carrying out a tradition, not religious teaching.

Quote from: Daltonik on July 20, 2022, 02:54:55 AM

Judging by a Chinese proverb that says something like this, that if you don't gamble, you will never be able to find out how lucky you are, then yes, this tradition is to try your luck for yourself, but again, it doesn't oblige you to anything. The population of Macau is about 700,000 people, but at the same time it is visited by almost 40 million tourists a year and the majority are Chinese residents.

besides vegas, Macau is a tourist destination for gambling lovers all over the world, people don't look for natural beauty here. reportedly Macau has not opened up yet but in the near future, Macau will start to open of course with restrictions on visitors (from foreign countries).

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

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Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck.

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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

"Even when you lose a gamble, your body still produces adrenaline and endorphins," he says.

“People buy entertainment.”

Not much is known about the design of these machines on player behavior, but, for example, many machines and casinos use red or something similar – which is considered more stimulating.

And interestingly, there are examples of cases where gamblers develop “shadow-skills” as a justification for earning those possible rewards.

Griffiths gave the example of a game engine in the UK which was designed with the adaptive logic in mind that the device would deliver more than the consumer was given over a period of time, and after that the device would return to the normal system.

This means that some players will try to find (or “skim”) machines that have not hit the jackpot, hoping they will be there when the machine hits the jackpot.

All of these research findings conclude that gambling is not always about winning, but rather the process of betting – and the other factors surrounding it that make it fun.

Although gambling addiction cannot be explained simply – sometimes there are many reasons that lead to addiction in a person – but it is certainly interesting to see how the fun is related to the structure and style of the game played.

And even when gambling isn't a problematic obsession, it's still entertaining for those who go home with empty pockets.

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There is definitely some complex psychology that casinos are always trying to master. As you describe, they will use systematic tricks that could reward the player in the short term and entice them with the idea that they win a lot of money with say an opening $50 in a machine. They might get that up to $100 in a short space of time with a few small wins, by this point the player might have started to form an attachment to the game and it's about keeping them seated as long as possible by tantalizing them with the idea of winning. Players can be fooled by "almost winning" as well, like seeing 8 out of 9 jackpot symbols on the screen - but they never came close to winning as it was a setup.

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I didn't have a clue about that. Test one's luck. Hmmm. It's that simple back then but now it became a gigantic industry that is not just about testing luck anymore. I think no one will do that anymore. Going to a casino, betting in one game and then going out. Heck, you might be stopped by security if you this everyday and will be questioned why. Cheesy

I see gambling to spice things up and a remedy for boredom when games became just the usual game and not much of an entertainment anymore.

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Not really sure how many people didn't see gambling as for fun while they can spent a lot money just to buy an expensive skin for their game characters. I'd say bought an expensive skin is more useless rather than gambling.

I do bought buying expensive skin in games especially on Dota2 and gambling at the same time. I don’t agree about buying skin is useless compared to gambling because I can use it permanently to the game to improved the visual style of my character that gives me more entertainment when playing game. You literally waste your money if you lose in gambling compared to Dota2 skin that can be sold if you don’t want it anymore.

I think it depends on the person personal preference on how they view entertainment to measure how they really enjoying on things that they will do.

Spending funds for game skin isn't the same as spending funds on betting. In skins, we're able to use and enjoy what we purchased and it gives us satisfaction, unlike gambling where there is no assurance that we'll win and make a profit from it. Buying skins and other game-related items for me isn't a waste of money.

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Quote from: Beparanf on July 20, 2022, 09:28:02 AM

Quote from: Apocollapse on July 20, 2022, 09:21:32 AM

Not really sure how many people didn't see gambling as for fun while they can spent a lot money just to buy an expensive skin for their game characters. I'd say bought an expensive skin is more useless rather than gambling.

I do bought buying expensive skin in games especially on Dota2 and gambling at the same time. I don’t agree about buying skin is useless compared to gambling because I can use it permanently to the game to improved the visual style of my character that gives me more entertainment when playing game. You literally waste your money if you lose in gambling compared to Dota2 skin that can be sold if you don’t want it anymore.

I think it depends on the person personal preference on how they view entertainment to measure how they really enjoying on things that they will do.

Agree with you Beparanf, it's about personal preferences... as long as it's something you enjoy in, why not to spent some money to boost that enjoyment!?

We all have priorities in life, but there is always a certain amount of money that we spend on entertainment... the proportion is different for everyone, but I'm sure that we all would like to have more money for entertainment, but it is what it is... don't spend more than you can afford to lose when it comes to fun and entertainment, and again I am sure we are speaking about some vices and unnecessary things in life as skins for some game or better shoes and things like that... if you start spending over your head on some vice or unnecessary things you will get in trouble! Clear fact! So as long as we have control we can enjoy and have fun for the money we have...

PS... I play LoL, I didn't spend money on skins and things, but I got a lot of them by playing and I am happy every time I get some new ones! It makes a game experience a lot better!

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All I do know is, Gambling is part of many cultures and also families as well, which does mean that some people are more prone to deviate towards it, some people might grow up seeing people play blackjack on the corner of their house which is very common in a country like India where the gambling is permissible in a weird way, other than that the phrase ' You Bet' is so common as well but it just shows us the roots of gambling as well.

I do think that if we talk about the theory of social constructivism it states clearly that people might learn more from their social life and experiences thus in here as well gambling can be a learned activity.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

Gambling is part of Chinese culture. It is seen as the right way to test luck, especially on holidays like Chinese New Year, as well as to get rid of bad luck

I have read the history of gambling from other threads and tried to find other sources of information for comparison reference to make sure it is correct. In conclusion, there are many articles that confirm that gambling was invented from the era of Egypt, Greece, ancient China.

speaking of China, China has a variety of cultures including gambling culture. many gambling games worldwide with Chinese appendages such as pai gow, mahjong, qiu-qui to capsa all smell Chinese.

Chinese people have a unique perspective, gambling practices are often seen from the good side, for example, gambling at the event of a death or wedding, for example, the family has the right to collect a "commission" from gambling proceeds as a donation for the family, another example is playing mahjong not just relying on hockey. There is a cognitive process strategy that is needed,
The most important thing in the game of mahjong is that it is believed to be healthy for parents so that they are not senile.
This is only a small part of what I describe about the Chinese gambling culture.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 20, 2022, 09:21:32 AM

Not really sure how many people didn't see gambling as for fun while they can spent a lot money just to buy an expensive skin for their game characters. I'd say bought an expensive skin is more useless rather than gambling.

I do bought buying expensive skin in games especially on Dota2 and gambling at the same time. I don’t agree about buying skin is useless compared to gambling because I can use it permanently to the game to improved the visual style of my character that gives me more entertainment when playing game. You literally waste your money if you lose in gambling compared to Dota2 skin that can be sold if you don’t want it anymore.

I think it depends on the person personal preference on how they view entertainment to measure how they really enjoying on things that they will do.

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Quote from: iv4n on July 20, 2022, 09:11:28 AM

It's not gambling if money (or something else valuable) isn't involved... the risk is always a risk, so as we raise bets, the risk becomes greater! That's the thrill that gambling brings! It's not like that every time with me, I usually play normally, but there are days when I take a little more risk in terms of chasing some bigger payouts with higher bets! Because who wouldn't love to win something big?!

But after all, it's all about fun, and because it's fun! Whether we win or lose we bought some entertainment...

Correct, it's shame to see how someone who only playing with faucet or demo account on casino and after hit a huge multipliers, he will say he's a professional gambler lol. Actually he isn't different with a kid who ask their parent for money and then after he's success, he will forget about his parents.

Not really sure how many people didn't see gambling as for fun while they can spent a lot money just to buy an expensive skin for their game characters. I'd say bought an expensive skin is more useless rather than gambling.

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Mark Griffiths, a psychologist at Nottingham Trent University who specializes in addictive behavior says that gamblers have a lot of motivation for their habit.
In a survey of 5,500 gamblers, the prospect of “winning big money” was the strongest factor. But then followed by "because it's fun" and "because it's fun".

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment..

It's not gambling if money (or something else valuable) isn't involved... the risk is always a risk, so as we raise bets, the risk becomes greater! That's the thrill that gambling brings! It's not like that every time with me, I usually play normally, but there are days when I take a little more risk in terms of chasing some bigger payouts with higher bets! Because who wouldn't love to win something big?!

But after all, it's all about fun, and because it's fun! Whether we win or lose we bought some entertainment...

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2022, 12:27:35 PM

I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

Although the article says Chinese people gambling is like culture or luck, but that is not entirely true, in general Chinese people have principles like other people, they know gambling is a risk and will cause personal problems.

Basically those who uphold gambling as luck, culture and bad luck, it's done by Confucians, they believe more in (Jade God H S T), they consider gods who rule the universe, so there are rituals, dates, days, years and many others, where they believe that gambling will get good luck or get rid of bad luck which is considered a culture in gambling, they also use the old calendar until now.

Usually they will gamble culturally on a large scale in the spring / new, so the culture as gambling for Confucians has been inherited and transmits the value of luck since 700 AD.

But for other teachings, it's not like that, they are just like people in general, gambling is not a culture, gambling risks and personal matters.

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