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Topic: Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails - page 4. (Read 4722 times)

legendary
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Game Protect gladly invests a lot of time and money to hold a customer liable who commits several criminal offenses towards Game Protect.

If you were actually serious about this you would have just done it instead of saying you were going to do it a hundred times on a forum. Your reputation is completely trashed by your own doing. Just fuck off and get a real job as your game-protect business is finished.
hero member
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If you just paid back h4ns, you'd have saved an enormous amount of time and you'd save some face.
I already refunded the 210€:

h4ns to GP 20,000€ current compensation demand for damages caused by his public defamation campaign - GP to h4ns 210€ = h4ns to GP 19,790€ Smiley

Game Protect gladly invests a lot of time and money to hold a customer liable who commits several criminal offenses towards Game Protect.

Defamation

Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails

You are the one who is hiding behind anonymity and you are the one who is threatening and blackmailing other people.

Extortion

I want to give him a chance to make a statement on this. If he doesn't reply or refund my money I will red-flag him at a later point. Thanks for your advice.
legendary
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
Their extreme mentall ill- and or brain deadness is proven by their inability to show the written contract and say at what day and how the alleged scam happened!

This is not proof, this is you avoiding the confrontation.

How about we put the minor details aside for a moment and care about the content of the allegation? A few users already hinted you at the fact that there are plenty of jurisdictions which take no issue in considering such statements as some kind of implied contract. You had an agreement, didn't you?

On the other side, the way you're trying to weasel yourself out of the situation, especially the whole "there was no contract" thing, makes everyone aware that your statements cannot be trusted. I mean, think about it: you're confronted with your very own words, the foundation of everything happening thereafter between you and h4ns, and all you have to say is "well, I said it, but I have no obligation toward that"?? How shady is that?

A bit offtopic, but anyway: what I'm genuinely interested in is, what do you value your time at? Because the huge effort you put into not having to pay those back the 210€ outpaces the amount in question by far (if you don't value your time at zero, that is). How are all those posts worth not having to pay 210€??

If you just paid back h4ns, you'd have saved an enormous amount of time and you'd save some face.

But the more I think about what Twitchy wrote, yesterday, the more it appears to make sense.
copper member
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LMAO, this quote from Sir Hhampuz:
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Most likely dropped on the head as a baby, multiple times, then somehow found their way here where the symptoms from all the hits to head starts to show. Deal with this user and you are certain to get fucked.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

I want to merit the post above, but unfortunately, it's a trust feedback. Grin

Do you understand GP that Bitcoin is a chain of digital signatures? If you think you can get away with this scam after accepting payments with Bitcoin, pretending that it wasn't a written agreement, well... think again Smiley
hero member
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For example, if someone is publicly accused of having killed someone around July 2019, they will support it without having the proof and knowing at what day and how the killing happened! Roll Eyes

Yes… checks out, pretty much.

Btw, @GP, do you have any solid proof of the 81 users being braindead?
Their extreme mentall ill- and or brain deadness is proven by their inability to show the written contract and say at what day and how the alleged scam happened!

I mean, this is a pretty serious accusation, and you surely don't want anyone to press charges on you because of your defamation campaign against them?  Huh
Telling the truth is not defamation! Roll Eyes
legendary
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
See? Feign ignorance, diverge conversation into split parts, and then deflect the smaller parts and hinge off meaningless trivialities.

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For example, if someone is publicly accused of having killed someone around July 2019, they will support it without having the proof and knowing at what day and how the killing happened! Roll Eyes

Yes… checks out, pretty much.

Btw, @GP, do you have any solid proof of the 81 users being braindead? I mean, this is a pretty serious accusation, and you surely don't want anyone to press charges on you because of your defamation campaign against them?  Huh
legendary
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For example, if someone is publicly accused of having killed someone around July 2019, they will support it without having the proof and knowing at what day and how the killing happened! Roll Eyes

More like if I killed someone in the living room and they accused me of killing someone in the hallway, so I left them negative feedback.
hero member
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Yesterday he left neg trust to 81 people.  Imagine what a pain in the ass that must have been unless driven by rage.
These 81 extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts publicly support that Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019!

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. game-protect did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around July 2019. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance.

I asked them several times to show the written contract, but none of them was able to deliver! Cheesy

I feel the necessity to warn the real world public about the dangerous of these 81 extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts, because if someone will be publicly false and misleading accused of having a criminal offense committed, they will support it! Roll Eyes

For example, if someone is publicly accused of having killed someone around July 2019, they will support it without having the proof and knowing at what day and how the killing happened! Roll Eyes
legendary
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I don't think he's just a troll.
I have a theory.

GP is a scammer, first and foremost.
These threads are bad for building a con but it is still possible, especially if you try to obfuscate the truth and justify your wrongdoing.

By diverging the topic from anything substantial and by repetitively stating, "all of those who oppose me are inherently flawed," game-protect is attempting to pawn off the scam as a misconstrued situation.

GP has already laid the foundation for their scam system and thus to discard it so easily without attempting to vie for some more victims is the least logical thing to do.
Think like a scammer and you will understand GP's mentality.

The thing is his foundation has been crumbling for over a year now and he seems to be failing miserably at attracting any suckers on this forum since everyone is constantly calling him out.  He's obviously broke and has received one payment to an address posted on his site in the past 2 months (BTC0.036).

He's definitely a scammer in reality, but it seems entirely possible that in his own mind he really believes that everyone else is stupid and he is very smart.  If you can't see this, you must be mentally ill.

Not a doctor, but it sure seems like he really could be a Narcissistic Sociopath or suffer from a similar personality disorder that affects all aspects of his life.  The way he manipulated get-paid into helping out Jenni by paying him is what made me start thinking this. 

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Traits of a Narcissistic Sociopath
How do you spot a sociopathic narcissist? Watch for certain traits:

No apologies, no guilt, no remorse under any circumstance. A sociopathic narcissist believes that she is a gift to the world who makes it richer and more colorful. Therefore, her calculated, even cruel actions are always justified.
Invincibility. The narcissistic variety of sociopath believes he is indomitable. Even punishment and prison can't stop him. They're merely part of the game.
Wholly self-serving. The needs and wants of others are insignificant and undeserving of consideration.
Act as the producer, director, and only actor of his own show. The narcissistic sociopath casts people in roles that increase his power and sense of importance and when bored, casts them aside.
A driven quest for power. If a narcissistic sociopath cares about anything other than himself, it is destructive power and control over people.

https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/sociopath/beware-the-narcissistic-sociopath



copper member
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Spear the bees
See? Feign ignorance, diverge conversation into split parts, and then deflect the smaller parts and hinge off meaningless trivialities.

It's all part of the manipulation of this discourse.
hero member
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GP is a scammer, first and foremost.
Who did I scam and how?
copper member
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Spear the bees
I don't think he's just a troll.
I have a theory.

GP is a scammer, first and foremost.
These threads are bad for building a con but it is still possible, especially if you try to obfuscate the truth and justify your wrongdoing.

By diverging the topic from anything substantial and by repetitively stating, "all of those who oppose me are inherently flawed," game-protect is attempting to pawn off the scam as a misconstrued situation.

GP has already laid the foundation for their scam system and thus to discard it so easily without attempting to vie for some more victims is the least logical thing to do.
Think like a scammer and you will understand GP's mentality.
legendary
Activity: 2320
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
I don't think he's just a troll.  I think he's a Narcissistic Sociopath.
He's been doing this for over 3 years and actively trolling any active casino thread in gambling forum, looking for people he can convince to send him money.  He might actually think he's capable of helping them and doing all the things he promises.  I also think he get's genuinely angry every time someone calls him out.  Yesterday he left neg trust to 81 people.  Imagine what a pain in the ass that must have been unless driven by rage.
Wow. That's a lot. This outpaces even a very dedicated troll.
Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder
I'd say: check, check, check, check and check.
What I find most annoying is the fact that there is no way to start a meaningful discussion which could potentially lead to the solution of a problem. Usually, when there's a problem in this forum, people chime in, both sides of the story are presented and if things work out well, a solution is found*.

In this case, people try, and instead of just answering simple questions, GP keeps on harping on irrelevant details, such as certain dates in question (July? September?), made up accusations ("defamation campaign" lol), or his definitions of things (what is a contract? etc.), trying to come across like a smart ass while not contributing anything toward finding a solution. Like those annoying kids back in school which thought they knew everything better, while everybody in the room knew they don't.


* I know that this certainly isn't always how it works, but it should serve as a good guideline for adults on how to solve a problem. Especially if the one accused has a "business" involved in the matter. Admitting being at fault here and giving back those 210€ would have saved him a ton of time and maybe even got him some reputation for doing the right thing. The question is, though, if he can even influence his own behavior if it's an actual personality disorder.
legendary
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Twitchy, I'm starting to think he's only trolling and trying to waste everybody's time. He's not accessible to logic and he's the worst kind of weasel I've seen, here.

He knows he's at fault, but there's no way to get anything useful out of this conversation. Many have tried, as this thread proves.

I don't think he's just a troll.  I think he's a Narcissistic Sociopath.
He's been doing this for over 3 years and actively trolling any active casino thread in gambling forum, looking for people he can convince to send him money.  He might actually think he's capable of helping them and doing all the things he promises.  I also think he get's genuinely angry every time someone calls him out.  Yesterday he left neg trust to 81 people.  Imagine what a pain in the ass that must have been unless driven by rage.

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder
Grandiose sense of self-importance. ...
Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur. ...
Sense of entitlement. ...
Exploits others without guilt or shame. ...
Frequently demeans, intimidates, bullies, or belittles others.
legendary
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Twitchy, I'm starting to think he's only trolling and trying to waste everybody's time. He's not accessible to logic and he's the worst kind of weasel I've seen, here.

He knows he's at fault, but there's no way to get anything useful out of this conversation. Many have tried, as this thread proves.
legendary
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Lets say a player gets frustrated with a casino for some reason and calls them a scam on a forum. (happens all the time)

Do you think the Casino has the right to just take the players money from their account, cancel any withdraws and just keep it and tell the player the funds were being deducted from $10,000 that the player now owes the Casino?

What would you say to a Casino that did this?

Who do you think is entitled to the funds in the players account, The Casino or Player?
hero member
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xtraelx deliberately misleads the public with claiming that this email



is a WRITTEN CONTRACT! Roll Eyes

UK law is similar to the law in most commonwealth countries.

For contracts to be legally binding, five essential elements must be present. There must be:

1) An offer;
2) Acceptance of the offer;
3) Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
4) An intention to be legally bound by the contract; and
5) Certainty as to what the parties have agreed.

https://businessadvice.co.uk/business-development/business-planning/are-emails-legally-binding/[/quote]

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3) Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
Does not exist!

Game Protect only takes donations without any legally binding agreement.

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https://game-protect.com/donate/

If you appreciate our worldwide only real and unbiased online gaming consumer protection service, your donation is welcome!

Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.


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4) An intention to be legally bound by the contract
Does not exist!

Game Protect does not make contracts and therefore can not intent to be legally bound by such! Roll Eyes
legendary
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Game Protect does not make any contracts.
Dude... for fuck's sake. Just give him back the 210€. You wasted, in combination, probably days on this bullshit. Days you could have used to deliver newspapers and gain more than the 210€ in question. But instead, you chose to waste potentially thousands of € by arguing in a non-case.

Give him back his 210€, so we can finally end this ridiculous shitshow here and move on.

edit: sorry, language. But I have no idea how to put it more friendly.
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at what day and how the scam happened?
Allow me to explain the day when the scam happened and your modus operandi.

On 30/04/2019, you lured h4ns to pay 210 EUR and to participate in your extortion attempt. Ignore the foundation bullshit, and clearly, your strategies were about extortions via article and email (scam #1).

Game Protect via email:
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So first they could ignore, but later decide to get rid of the article.

Too bad, on 30/06/2019, your extortion efforts were not producing any results.

You then asked for more time, and hopefully, they (Betmaster.com) would decide to get rid of the article, bribe you, and you then can give some portion to h4ns.

However, h4ns then realized he was being suckered and decided to post here.

-Fin-

Hmm.. let's see bitcasino.io and sportsbet.io are your next targets, aren't they?


Note (edit):
- Article about betmaster was never produced (scam #2);
- There is no guarantee that the extortion money will be sent to GP clients; and
- h4ns never received the 210 EUR back (scam #3).
- h4ns never received the 450 EUR (lie #4).
- Disguising payments with the term "donation" (scam #5).
hero member
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~snip

I posted a PSA here about it with regards to his incorrect/potentially fraudulent use of the word "donation" here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52971928

That should be red flag #1 for anyone doing business with GP. Anytime a company mentions the word "donation" in exchange for services they promise, run.

Besides, it's not legally enforceable. It's not a donation, it's a transaction. You wouldn't find a judge in the world that would side with GP on that one.

He says he "never promised anything" yet he literally made promises within his emails to h4ns.

Calling it a donation doesn't make it a donation,
It is not called a donation, it is a donation in writing! Cheesy

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https://game-protect.com/donate/

If you appreciate our worldwide only real and unbiased online gaming consumer protection service, your donation is welcome!



Happy to see he hasn't gotten any 'donations' since Oct 2.  Good work everyone.

Did he change his address on the donate page now lol, I see no transactions.
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