Fighting on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics… Win or lose, you're still retarded.
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Topic: Gavin will visit the CIA - page 5. (Read 153094 times)
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Are we even talking about BTC anymore? What's going on here with this petty drivel? Check yourselves as the enemy engages. The boards are infiltrated. What point are you proving and to whom? Is it serving your own ego? Are you winning?
What have you won?
What have you won?
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Fighting on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics… Win or lose, you're still retarded.
I cannot be bothered to read through 27 pages on this topic, however I have this to say: whatever Gavin says will not have any bearing on CIA's policy or possible actions against bitcoin. Since it is already on CIA's and Goldman Sachs and the financial elite's radar they will gather information from multiple sources and thereafter decide whether or not to take action. I would bet my life on that if bitcoin is deemed a threat towards the established financial elite, who in turn controls governments, by bribing ("campaign donotions in som countries"), essentially blackmailing, revolving doors and outright writing legislation drafts submitted to parliament/senate (depending on country) members, negative action will be taken. I only heard of bitcoin a couple of weeks ago, but it if bitcoins were to become used by a wide audience it obviously poses several threats; and I'm not thinking of drugmoney being laundered - they use high street banks which has been proven over and over again - this is just being used as a red-herring to take measures against bitcoin.
The actions that they are likely to take are legal and destabilising/compromising data (if this is possible). If awareness of bitcoin spreads to a fair share of citizens psy-op operations using various media will commence. However, this will only be undertaken if awareness is spread - they will not help promote such awareness. How succesful such actions are likely to be is beyond my understanding - I have no programming skills at all to begin with.
My view is certainly not optimistic, although as the legal status of bitxoins is the most essential regarding widespread use, if bitcoin is not outlawed it has the potential to flourish. The governments with the most power in the international agenda do however have a good reckord of closing down currencies/currency transmitting (others apart from Western Union, high street banks) which takes place outside of the "official" market.
Don't worry Gavin, the CIA would not let you into their officies unless they already had implanted a micro-chip inside your brain. [sic.]
The actions that they are likely to take are legal and destabilising/compromising data (if this is possible). If awareness of bitcoin spreads to a fair share of citizens psy-op operations using various media will commence. However, this will only be undertaken if awareness is spread - they will not help promote such awareness. How succesful such actions are likely to be is beyond my understanding - I have no programming skills at all to begin with.
My view is certainly not optimistic, although as the legal status of bitxoins is the most essential regarding widespread use, if bitcoin is not outlawed it has the potential to flourish. The governments with the most power in the international agenda do however have a good reckord of closing down currencies/currency transmitting (others apart from Western Union, high street banks) which takes place outside of the "official" market.
Don't worry Gavin, the CIA would not let you into their officies unless they already had implanted a micro-chip inside your brain. [sic.]
You know I could have been in the CIA, but they found out my parents were married.
Are we even talking about BTC anymore? What's going on here with this petty drivel? Check yourselves as the enemy engages. The boards are infiltrated. What point are you proving and to whom? Is it serving your own ego? Are you winning?
What have you won?
What have you won?
If you don't understand your enemy you cannot win. Many people on this forum believe the lies that pass for the mainstream view, what I call "the matrix". As long as they do so they will not see the attacks coming even if they are telegraphed.
Although, I've almost never seen someone's mind changed via internet forum.
I'd be willing to bet somewhere in the CIA there is already a bitcoin task force and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they have been tampering with the infrastructure, hacking exchanges, infiltrating these forums (fora?), and studying the reaction. I know there are those who think government is always just plain stupid (and I think this springs from their own sense of superiority). This kind of hubris will hurt us. This enemy is evil, intelligent, and infinitely resourceful and they've been at this game for a long time. They want to kill bitcoin.
Fair points.
I agree with you. I think the attacks lately are too concentrated to be 1) coincidence 2) random people in the world trying to steal...
Largely government is idiotic as a whole. Politicians who are motivated by greed are shortsighted and therefore, well, stupid. The CIA on the other hand is a different matter.
I think the greatest weakness of BTC right now is the number of very young people involved who (begin generalizations) really have no clue how governments operate. They don't know the history of money. They don't understand the complexities and relationships between the industrial military complex and the banking industry.
But they do have many opinions!! I would hope people are willing to learn and researching independently the ideas being bandied about here. Spouting off without validation is folly.
Anyway, I ramble. I was just trying to bring the tone down to earth. These trolls are having a hay day with some of the forum members.
Are we even talking about BTC anymore? What's going on here with this petty drivel? Check yourselves as the enemy engages. The boards are infiltrated. What point are you proving and to whom? Is it serving your own ego? Are you winning?
What have you won?
What have you won?
If you don't understand your enemy you cannot win. Many people on this forum believe the lies that pass for the mainstream view, what I call "the matrix". As long as they do so they will not see the attacks coming even if they are telegraphed.
Although, I've almost never seen someone's mind changed via internet forum.
I'd be willing to bet somewhere in the CIA there is already a bitcoin task force and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they have been tampering with the infrastructure, hacking exchanges, infiltrating these forums (fora?), and studying the reaction. I know there are those who think government is always just plain stupid (and I think this springs from their own sense of superiority). This kind of hubris will hurt us. This enemy is evil, intelligent, and infinitely resourceful and they've been at this game for a long time. They want to kill bitcoin.
Are we even talking about BTC anymore? What's going on here with this petty drivel? Check yourselves as the enemy engages. The boards are infiltrated. What point are you proving and to whom? Is it serving your own ego? Are you winning?
What have you won?
What have you won?
He wasn't some idiot caveman with a club. That "bearded man from caves" had aroud 30 million USD of personal wealth inherited after his father. His family are filthy rich people with close ties to the Saudi royal family. But more importantly, he had lots of supporters and people ready for suicide missions, because guess what - they don't like Americans very much around there.
Right, they "hate us for our freedoms". Anyway, I just wonder how anyone can watch Building 7 fall down like this and not smell the rat.
I'm sory ryepdx, I was trying to respond to your post, but it seems that I accidentally overwrote it instead. I'm not sure how that happened. I would split the thread, but I keep getting an error.
It seems that I hit the 'edit' button instead of the 'quote' button without noticing it, and there is no 'undo' button.
It seems that I hit the 'edit' button instead of the 'quote' button without noticing it, and there is no 'undo' button.
If I were feeling particularly roguish I might then note that various studies have shown liberals tend to have higher IQs, hinting that yours may not be quite up to snuff. You might then counter that it is a cultural artifact that liberal states tend to have better educated populaces and lower crime, and you would likely question my cited 'studies,' as well as my IQ.
No, I wouldn't. I'd question the relevance that liberals tend to have higher IQs. In part, because the differences are, although perhaps not statisticly insignificant, very small indeed. I'd also point out that the differences in the average IQ is higher between races in America than between liberals and conservatives. (I'm not either, BTW) For example, the highest IQ race? Ethnic Jews. "Wait, what? Aren't Jews, as a race, predominately liberal?" Why, yes, they are. "Why is that?" Because most of them grew up in cities dominated by liberal politics, such as NYC, Chicago and LA; and it's damn difficult to shake off false politics even with a high IQ. "Why did they grow up there?" Because their parents and grandparents lived in urban areas, because they tended to avoid rural racism that may or may not have existed when they emigrated to the United States, many of whom came immediately prior to and after WWII, fleeing even worse racism in Europe.
Going further, I personally don't put much value in IQ as a measurement of intelligence, because it was never intended to measure high intelligence. It is a ratio that measures the rate of free association (learning curve) between a subject and the average child peer. It was originally developed to predict the odds of independent success of a mentally challenged child as they approach adulthood. It was never intended to measure high, or even average, function of adults in comparison to one another, and thus has little meaning in this context.
And homeschooled children, regardless of class, race or political ideology (or any other comparison) tend to absolutely destroy their institutionally educated peers (both public and private) on any standardized test that could measure IQ with any acceptable accuracy. How would that fit into your predictive argument model?
Going further, I personally don't put much value in IQ as a measurement of intelligence, because it was never intended to measure high intelligence. It is a ratio that measures the rate of free association (learning curve) between a subject and the average child peer. It was originally developed to predict the odds of independent success of a mentally challenged child as they approach adulthood. It was never intended to measure high, or even average, function of adults in comparison to one another, and thus has little meaning in this context.
And homeschooled children, regardless of class, race or political ideology (or any other comparison) tend to absolutely destroy their institutionally educated peers (both public and private) on any standardized test that could measure IQ with any acceptable accuracy. How would that fit into your predictive argument model?
Okay, so most of my post was overwritten, but it's a little better now at least.
Obviously I can't predict what another person is going to give as an argument. My point was simply that debates about political ideology masquerading as nationalistic bickering tend to go nowhere. (Much like actual nationalistic bickering.) We all want to live in different worlds.
In what way is your standard of living higher than mine?
RTFM: http://hdr.undp.org/en/reports/global/hdr2010/chapters/en/
I don't accept the assumptions that they make. Also, that compares the entire US to individual European nations. If we have to include Michigan and West Virginia in the averages, you should have to include Latvia, Estonia and the Ukraine. Compare Apples to apples, buck. Where do you live in Europe, and how does that compare to my state of Kentucky. Shouldn't be that hard, since Kentucky is in the lower half of the states, but I would still find the comparisions interesting. Mostly in what Europeans consider to be high on the list of features that add up to a "standard of living". Compared to myself, personally, you have a near zero chance of having a higher standard of living, but then I make quite a bit more than the average Kentuckian.
In what way is your standard of living higher than mine?
RTFM: http://hdr.undp.org/en/reports/global/hdr2010/chapters/en/
3. Slide 30. "As multiple implementations of bitcoin appear, there might need to be a more formal organizational structure to work out interoperability problems."
This made me curious.
This made me curious.
He's likely talking about different implementations of the client. Though I suppose there's no reason someone couldn't hack together a client that does on-the-fly currency conversion. Actually, if several new types of "coins" start showing up (such as Namecoin), it would be quite possible to create a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange. Then centralized exchanges would only need to exist for the purpose of converting cryptocurrency to national, physical currency.
Lol, a nice amount of patriotism... maybe we should invite Gavin here in Europe 
Do you think that your standard of living is higher in Europe?
Hahah, yes. This isn't the 50s anymore man.
In what way is your standard of living higher than mine?
Jakie Kennedy killed JFK, it's in the video. She was a CIA mind controlled slave with MPD; An old art of war used by the secret religions.
The CIA takes it's orders from Vatican; and the rest of the government takes it's orders from the CIA. Basically CIA == Western Hemisphere Illuminati. They protect anyone who tries to go after luciferin cults; because they are one, same with the Vatican.
Vatican takes it's orders for the Lizard people (Who eat humans the same way we eat cows) and the lizard people take there orders from Anu, The Lizard King emperor of universe.
...at lest that's the David Ickein theory on the Universe (~collectively). But dose anyone trust David Icke? Lulzsec clams to be a bunch of lizards, maybe they are? I don't trust Alex Jones anymore, but I always wanted to believe in David Icke because everyone laughed at him. Alan Walt said some pretty interesting things on Lizard people, he said it's just an Illusion they want us to make real (Same way Alex Jones wants to make WWIII real right now, by using people's fear to manifest it. God what a dick).
If you don't buy them your left with Peter Joseph, who says corporations and governments do what they do naturally. It's just evolution, and corporations adhere to one thing and one thing only; It's called the bottom line. Overtime these corporation became so big an powerful they just decided to conspire together to screw the rest of us, instead of tearing each other apart. The CIA, protects these corporations because they are "American Corporations" and that somehow that makes them less corrupt then any other corporation... So obliviously we need to go have wars and replace all the evil corporations with our good corporations, basically government hypocrisy at an all time extreme.
At anyrate, I don't know what to believe. But if I was going to give a speech about Bitcoin to the CIA, I would frame the information in a way that I would want the enemies of Bitcoin to understand it.
The CIA takes it's orders from Vatican; and the rest of the government takes it's orders from the CIA. Basically CIA == Western Hemisphere Illuminati. They protect anyone who tries to go after luciferin cults; because they are one, same with the Vatican.
Vatican takes it's orders for the Lizard people (Who eat humans the same way we eat cows) and the lizard people take there orders from Anu, The Lizard King emperor of universe.
...at lest that's the David Ickein theory on the Universe (~collectively). But dose anyone trust David Icke? Lulzsec clams to be a bunch of lizards, maybe they are? I don't trust Alex Jones anymore, but I always wanted to believe in David Icke because everyone laughed at him. Alan Walt said some pretty interesting things on Lizard people, he said it's just an Illusion they want us to make real (Same way Alex Jones wants to make WWIII real right now, by using people's fear to manifest it. God what a dick).
If you don't buy them your left with Peter Joseph, who says corporations and governments do what they do naturally. It's just evolution, and corporations adhere to one thing and one thing only; It's called the bottom line. Overtime these corporation became so big an powerful they just decided to conspire together to screw the rest of us, instead of tearing each other apart. The CIA, protects these corporations because they are "American Corporations" and that somehow that makes them less corrupt then any other corporation... So obliviously we need to go have wars and replace all the evil corporations with our good corporations, basically government hypocrisy at an all time extreme.
At anyrate, I don't know what to believe. But if I was going to give a speech about Bitcoin to the CIA, I would frame the information in a way that I would want the enemies of Bitcoin to understand it.
This is what's wrong with the internet.
Then again, it's kind of funny.
Lol, a nice amount of patriotism... maybe we should invite Gavin here in Europe
Do you think that your standard of living is higher in Europe?
Hahah, yes. This isn't the 50s anymore man.
Do you think that your standard of living is higher in Europe?
There are 8 European counties with a higher standard of living that the US (2010 HDI figures), although the US does consistently very well and is rarely (from year to year) outside the top 10 countries (although it is at number 12 for 2010 figures I expect it to be back around 8 in the 2011 figures for all the obvious reasons).
1. Norway 0.876
2. Australia 0.864
3. Sweden 0.824
4. Netherlands 0.818
5. Germany 0.814
6. Switzerland 0.813
7. Ireland 0.813
8. Canada 0.812
9. Iceland 0.811
10. Denmark 0.810
11. Finland 0.806
12. United States 0.799
13. Belgium 0.794
14. France 0.792
15. Czech Republic 0.790
16. Austria 0.787
17. Spain 0.779
18. Luxembourg 0.775
19. Slovenia 0.771
20. Greece 0.768
21. United Kingdom 0.766
22. Slovakia 0.764
23. Israel 0.763
24. Italy 0.752
25. Hungary 0.736
26. Estonia 0.733
27. South Korea 0.731
28. Cyprus 0.716
29. Poland 0.709
30. Portugal 0.700
I just uploaded pdf and KeyNote versions of the talk I gave at the CIA last Tuesday:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gavinandresen-bitcoin/GavinAndresenCIATalk.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gavinandresen-bitcoin/GavinAndresen_Bitcoin.key
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gavinandresen-bitcoin/GavinAndresenCIATalk.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gavinandresen-bitcoin/GavinAndresen_Bitcoin.key
A very good decision to be open about the whole visit.
One concern left is whether Gavin signed NDA with CIA or some other agency. And if there were any attempts of direct or indirect intimidation with oppressive finance/banking/anti-laundering law.
Incostistencies noticed:
1. In the presentation microtransactions are encouraged (slide 6 about instawallet), contrary to some opinions of developers on this forum.
2. Slide 8. "The biggest barrier to the adoption of bitcoin by merchants selling physical goods is bitcoinʼs huge hour-to-hour price volatility."
Is it the biggest barrier for sure? What are the others and what can be done about the others?
3. Slide 30. "As multiple implementations of bitcoin appear, there might need to be a more formal organizational structure to work out interoperability problems."
This made me curious.
Lol, a nice amount of patriotism... maybe we should invite Gavin here in Europe
Do you think that your standard of living is higher in Europe?
Lol, a nice amount of patriotism... maybe we should invite Gavin here in Europe
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