Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations - page 11.

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Quote from: BittBurger on January 19, 2014, 11:16:43 PM

Hi Gavin -

This may be a naive question, but there will come a day when the central banking powers that be, the fed, etc ... will start looking to you guys to create features within Bitcoin that adhere to their wants / needs / requirements. They're going to quickly realize Bitcoin is just a protocol that can be easily modified. What will you do when that day comes? I can't imagine the tremendous pressure that could be put on the Bitcoin core developers in the coming months/years by those who want to make Bitcoin into something its not. Or may very well force you to do so.

What is going to happen when that day comes? Not if ...

Do you bend to their demands, out of fear of jail because you are held responsible for the aspects of Bitcoin which are an affront to our government? Are you the next Edward Snowden, hopping a plane around the world while continuing to code Bitcoin from a private jet with satellite wifi access? Does the core dev team go underground?

Will you guys be sitting cross-legged in front of Tanks while fasting and wearing robes?

-B-

Good point

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Hi Gavin -

This may be a naive question, but there will come a day when the central banking powers that be, the fed, etc ... will start looking to you guys to create features within Bitcoin that adhere to their wants / needs / requirements. They're going to quickly realize Bitcoin is just a protocol that can be easily modified. What will you do when that day comes? I can't imagine the tremendous pressure that could be put on the Bitcoin core developers in the coming months/years by those who want to make Bitcoin into something its not. Or may very well force you to do so.

What is going to happen when that day comes? Not if ...

Do you bend to their demands, out of fear of jail because you are held responsible for the aspects of Bitcoin which are an affront to our government? Are you the next Edward Snowden, hopping a plane around the world while continuing to code Bitcoin from a private jet with satellite wifi access? Does the core dev team go underground?

Will you guys be sitting cross-legged in front of Tanks while fasting and wearing robes?

-B-

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Gavin, the best think you can do is to ease any fears that you wish to take over the World. If you convince these people that Bitcoin has a legit place and a great future they will want to buy a few Bitcoins themselves and thereafter they will not wish to destroy their own money!

One thing is certain, if you treat and look at people as your enemies, they become and act like enemies! We wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove! All the best!

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Interesting stuff...
So a central Bitcoin figure is about to meet an important part of the "world controllers" / TPTB. Arguably the CFR is one of the most central and dangerous components of the squid.

I'd be surprised if anything positive could come out of that because their script is typically already long in-place and honesty is about the last I would ever expect from such a group.

Whatever the OP does, proceed with extreme (paranoid) caution all the way downto what and where you eat/drink - in this area it's more than justified.

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We also need to stop confusing the government with elected officials. Ensuring the worst of all possible evils "wins" where it counts, despite actual votes to the contrary, is not a free and fair election system.

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Quote from: MikeH on January 19, 2014, 08:44:22 AM

Quote from: Gavin Andresen on January 13, 2014, 09:20:28 PM

Maybe that is a terrible idea that will have awful consequences, but instead of rational discussion there's a knee-jerk GOVERNMENT BAD! that, in my humble opinion, is counter-productive to making the world a better place.

about a year ago I'd agree with that but after a lot of research I'd have to say that government IS bad as they no longer serve or represent the people, they have literally been taken over by banks and corporations. I do agree it's best to work with them in the short term though - we need to reach a reasonable level of adoption before we can take back the power!

We need to stop confusing groups like the CFR with government. Just like Gavin, they are unelected officials.

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And exactly "foreign" to who? Since bitcoin is universal, there is nothing "foreign" to it Undecided

Oh yeah sure, foreign to the "mighty america" Roll Eyes

Hello from a foreign, i'm european Grin

On a side note i don't want to know how bitcoin is related to that "foreign relations" things.

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Quote from: Gavin Andresen on January 13, 2014, 09:20:28 PM

Maybe that is a terrible idea that will have awful consequences, but instead of rational discussion there's a knee-jerk GOVERNMENT BAD! that, in my humble opinion, is counter-productive to making the world a better place.

about a year ago I'd agree with that but after a lot of research I'd have to say that government IS bad as they no longer serve or represent the people, they have literally been taken over by banks and corporations. I do agree it's best to work with them in the short term though - we need to reach a reasonable level of adoption before we can take back the power!

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the CFR are scumbags, we should settle on a code so you can clue us into what happened, eg. at the next conference bend over and rub your butt if you've been blackmailed to sabotage bitcoin.

actually I don't think they'll want to kill it, going by all their talk about the NWO in their own publications the corporate members probably love bitcoin, if they weren't behind it to begin with - at the very least they'll find it useful in their drug running and other criminal activity.

wait.. what's this about the Bitcoin Foundation collaborating with the Gates foundation and Brookings Institute?

they wouldn't give a shit about child exploitation, along with the list below Gates is also invested in Nestle who obtain cocoa through child slavery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQvEX2Xait4

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Thanks for keeping us informed. Following

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Gavin, please listen to what Andreas has to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_yvRVkZWrE

It's only 4 minutes.

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Quote from: dewdeded on January 17, 2014, 12:06:36 PM

When does the project leader change or get's revoted?

Now thats the 21 million Bitcoin question !! Roll Eyes

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LOL !

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 17, 2014, 02:53:48 PM

Gavin:

I did have one serious question:

I am curious why do the CFR want to speak solely with you specifically? Why not executive director of Bitcoin Foundation Jon Martonis for example or Patrick Murck general counsel, and others or a group of you?

As far as I am aware they would not be experts on cryptography or some of the technical aspects that are your area of excellence, e.g. they are not going to be asking you about intricacies of git s/ware management or multi-sig scrypt code are they?

The plot thickens...
Yoda played by: Satoshi
Luke played by:Gavin,
CFR played by: The Empire – lead by Darth Vader

Empire Strikes Back metaphor
Yoda: don’t go you are not ready
Luke: WTF
Darth Vader: Luke join me, I am your farther.

Yoda and Darth Vader are both children of the force. And are opposite sides of the same “coin” so to speak.
Gavin may get to say hi to Satoshi Tongue

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Quote from: Lethn on January 17, 2014, 03:31:48 AM

Quote from: FandangledGizmo on January 16, 2014, 12:38:13 PM

You guys are all acting like Bitcoin is impregnable.

If you sort out the pool mining issues, then you guys can act as cocky as you like, but if you don't take the power out of the pools,

This is why solo mining exists, sorry but people far cleverer than you or me have thought about this beforehand and already fixed it.

Well, I admit it doesn't take much to be cleverer than me, but

If GHash.IO + a portion of the 'unknown' mining hashrate is actually a GCHQ/GoldmanSachs owned combo of Asic Farms, some of which haven't even been turned on yet, how does solo mining fix it?

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Gavin:

I did have one serious question:

I am curious why do the CFR want to speak solely with you specifically? Why not executive director of Bitcoin Foundation Jon Martonis for example or Patrick Murck general counsel, and others or a group of you?

As far as I am aware they would not be experts on cryptography or some of the technical aspects that are your area of excellence, e.g. they are not going to be asking you about intricacies of git s/ware management or multi-sig scrypt code are they?

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When does the project leader change or get's revoted?

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Quote from: Gavin Andresen on January 12, 2014, 05:12:24 PM

I've accepted an invitation to do a question and answer session at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in Washington, DC on Thursday, February 6, 2014.

I've been told anything related to the Council on Foreign Relations tickle's peoples Grand Conspiracy buttons, so I thought it would be best to be open about exactly what will happen. I hope it doesn't spark as long a thread as my visit to the CIA, but Bitcoin is a lot bigger than when I visited the CIA...

Anyway, here's the invitation I received:

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On behalf of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), I write to invite you to speak to our Washington-based members as part of our Voices of the Next Generation series. This program seeks to bring together our members with fresh, young voices in the nation’s foreign policy discourse. Given your work with BitCoin, you would be an important addition to the series. In the past, the Voices of the Next Generation series has featured Esther Duflo, Abdul Latif Jameel professor of poverty alleviation and development economics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Ayman Mohyeldin, Middle East correspondent, Al-Jazeera English, and Jennifer Pahlka, founder and executive director, Code for America.

CFR is a nonpartisan national membership organization and think tank, as well as the publisher of Foreign Affairs. Among our members are many past and present U.S. presidents, secretaries of state, defense, and treasury, as well as other senior U.S. government officials, renowned scholars, and major leaders of American business, media, and nongovernmental groups.

The format of the event will be a 90-minute question&answer session, moderated by somebody yet-to-be-determined. It will be "on the record," meaning press could be invited to attend and recordings and/or transcripts may be posted on CFR's website.

The audience will be CFR members and invited guests (and maybe press); it is not open to the public. I am not getting paid by the CFR.

Hi Gavin, thanks for all you are doing for bitcoin!

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Quote from: FandangledGizmo on January 16, 2014, 12:38:13 PM

You guys are all acting like Bitcoin is impregnable.

If you sort out the pool mining issues, then you guys can act as cocky as you like, but if you don't take the power out of the pools,

This is why solo mining exists, sorry but people far cleverer than you or me have thought about this beforehand and already fixed it.

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Quote from: ProfMac on January 16, 2014, 05:01:56 PM

There is the random thought that Satoshi is a group in the NSA.

They get a ledger of all transactions in the economy, self selected by the very secretive.
It uses their strengths, cryptography.
It gives more data than fiat does.
It is a daunting piece of work, it boggles the mind to think that a single individual pulled it off.

Could be, but take a look at Nickolas Szabo here http://szabo.best.vwh.net/
maybe with the help of Hal Finney http://www.finney.org/~hal/rpow/
Both of them are capable and much more motivated than the NSA.

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Carroll Quigley: Our Tragedy and Their Hope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRkCvubUGCM

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