Topic: Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations - page 6. (Read 55011 times)

Watched it earlier. Surprised it was only an hour long though. Should've been at least double. Gavin definitely seems like a decent guy and spokesman for Bitcoin. I don't like his David Brent goatee though haha.

My point is that my own conception of 'good advocacy' and yours are substantially different because we pretty clearly envision different end states as ideal.

I'm not making a values judgement about who's vision of an end state is good or bad or right or wrong.  Just that they are different.

Our == the virtual currency community at large.

'Our' is a meaningless statement in this context.

I did watch the presentation last night and was by-n-large impressed with it.  If Gavin gives a complete and believable de-briefing of any and all other interactions he had there, I'll be fairly satisfied with his performance.

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I thought the dis-connect on the shoe topic was most telling.

I'm pretty sure that what Gavin meant by 'how can we stop people from buying shoes' was how can we make an ethical justification for it which is acceptable to a population who has some degree of freedom.

The moderator totally didn't see that at all.  To him it was completely a question about whether such a transaction can be controlled, and since it is a physical commodity that would be relatively easy.  He is clearly envisioning a totalitarian framework which is based on the physical mechanics of keeping the plebs in line.  Ethics don't enter into the equation.

Gavin didn't pursue this, but I don't necessarily hold it against him.  Not sure what I would have done in such a situation.

Douglas A. Rediker,
Visiting Fellow,
Peterson Institute for International Economics;
Former Member,
Executive Board,
International Monetary Fund
Who was the guy interviewing Gavin?

Who was the guy interviewing Gavin?

agreed but i'll settle for when Gavin in response to the interviewers diatribe about the benefits of central banking, crinkled his nose and said (i paraphrase), "yeeeah, i don't know."  he then went on to highlight the problems with Zimbabwe and said that most Bitcoiners think the central bank has done a "horrible job".

there wasn't time for much more.

Regardless of what you conspiracy nuts say, the video of Gavin at the CFR confirm yet gain that Gavin is one our our BEST advocates out there. 

Public scrutiny has forced them to create a public facade.

This is only what they are allowing us to see.

Fixed that for you.

Just watching it now. Was surprised that it was filmed. I was under the impression it'd be all secretive and shit lol.

Is their a TLDR of what happen at this talk?

+1

It is a pitty that the myths of money policies and necessity of central bank intervention were left in the air as they were. I wish all the cumbersomeness of the economic theories was shown and made more apparent to rather fall apart.

Also I regret that our community could be seen like a corporation with which governments could negotiate which is definitely not the case.

Governments may indeed compromise our project and create us all sorts of difficulties but in the end they are not going to succeed in diminishing the dream of cryptocurrencies and would do a much better job in embracing this technology.

Bitcoin is the separation of Money and State. Something only comparable to the innovation the printing press and the Internet brought about.

It is the way for the end of fractional reserve banking and speculative markets.

It is the most disruptive step towards a brand new order in the world of finance for a society relying on really democratic and for the people principles based on a sound decentralized and non-hierarchical foundation. (in communications, in law, in production and in finance...)

Please let us bring about a world of prosperity and abundance to our world right at the verge of an unprecedented technological singularity.

As an end note, I think that being Satoshi Nakamoto and/or being a guy with such eloquence that worked for Silicon Graphics to bring forth the future of VRML and now leads the bitcoin project must only be comparable to being 'Dire Straits' on stage.
I definitely want my MTV...  
 

You did good Gavin.  Just don't let us catch you conspiring with global oligarchies ever again young man.

Only the thoroughly educated believe their government.

So the eye of Mordor has noticed that Frodo has the ring......

This is going to get very interesting.

Since Mayer-Amschel's times the power of finance has resided in few hands . These are the people that create revolutions and wars so that they can finance both sides and decide who wins. Kingdom consolidation anyone??? And no, I am not a Jones fanboy. I just like to be inquisitive enough to persevere until the light of truth tells me I am at the root cause. Anybody ever researched the true meaning of the Queens annual door knock at the City ? What actually happened when Wellington won Waterloo? And so on and so on.


There are two options imo:

1. Tell them to get fkd

choosing this option is the only honorable one but it means war & underground subsistence for those that dare to resist & persist with such recalcitrant behaviour. Expect accidents & suicides / various unfortunate events and laws and bans and regulations. This is not like pirating movies or music. This is a real threat but these kids are smart and will try turn the threat into opportunity. Bringing me to option 2 and a likely scenario for the reasons of the invite:

2. Obey and see bitcoin / whatevercoin become the hip global thing that all want to join at first then have to join shortly after.

No more cash is the goal which is still the true anon coin if executed well. And of course no more national currencies. Watch the USD show any moment now....

This will let digital currencies shine as a model of global cooperation (and taxation) under their full control, as is one of their stated goals. Allowing bitcoin to operate in this realm is only going to happen if we choose to co-operate. I sometimes wonder if we are just being used as an alpha test for readiness to accept such subjugation plus do some initial marketing & PR on the concept on the side. Ie they let us reach critical mass. Then ban. Intern the alleged leaders. Burn them on the 'stake' figuratively speaking and openly admit ' that it was conceptually a great idea but obviously needs central control & regulation' and now will be offered by your favorite UN ' just think of the children, the environment / insert whatever fluffy bs here' bureaucracy


It is an interesting crossroad we find ourselves standing at. It was always going to be reached if p2p currency conceptually was solid and poses a threat. Which it obviously is.

So now what ?

+1

There were a lot of tricky questions. Gavin did a great job for addressing them all.

Just watched. I agree completely. Nice job, Gavin!

I was really envious, though, when the question or suggestion rather came up of the role and benefit of people manipulating the inflation rate, and forced incentive to spend money (inflation/deflation etc.). At home all I could do was grit my teeth. If it was me in the chair I probably would have let them have it. Gavin was unbelievably controlled, almost hospitable to their advances. I don't think the meeting could have went better. Probably good that it wasn't me  

Not even _that_ sophisticated. Just calling 'em as I see 'em.

I followed someone's link the other day to the front page of their website.  Of the 6 articles I saw on was by Elliot Abrams and another by Max Boot.  That's enough to convince me that the organization is yet another nest of neocon wankers.  Yawn.