Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2404. (Read 3377790 times)

the purpose of this community, as it has always been - to uphold the integrity of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general.

For those here who do not have any "skin in the game" at GAW/Zen... what is your purpose?

you see, i tend to think, anyone who takes steps like this to uphold their integrity, has some reasonable cause to do so.
Paycoin is not going to be any kind of global brand. Nor is GAW going to be the corporation who overtook Bitcoin itself.
it's just another hair-brained idea to make money out of people by telling them they will


To me, the reasons are as plain as the nose on my face as to why I should be dissuading people away from investing in this.
But hey, you are all free to make up your own minds, and you are all free to make your own mistakes.

Well, in a nutshell, it is safe to say we do not see eye to eye regarding what is proof of a potential and more than likely Ponzi-type scam versus what can be classified as simple speculation. I have shared more than enough proof in my postings here and elsewhere thus far to give any reasonable person enough pause to consider the risks surrounding this specific topic. Additional proof has already been included in my specific complaints to federal authorities and it will be up to them to decide how that content is handled now that it is in their custody.

To clarify, I am not a party to any civil lawsuits as of the date/time of this post. Yes, I have been attacked and threatened with what appears to be cookie cutter C&D emails from one California based attorney representing GAW Miners LLC (and not any of Mr. Garza’s additional and unregistered DBA’s), but I have not been served or named a party in any legal action. Again, it is my position Mr. Garza has absolutely no legal standing against me or anyone else he has attacked and attempted to censor for expressing our public dissatisfaction of him and his operation. As mentioned, even if he wanted to sue me with a frivolous lawsuit that he likely knows he would lose, he is free to try, but existing federal law prohibiting him from taking action after I have exercised my “whistleblower” protections in reporting his alleged securities violations would at the very least open him and his operation up to additional federal scrutiny. In other words, he has a lot more to lose in this situation than I do – even if I would rather not waste my own time and legitimately earned money proving a point.

Re: Account holds
Thank you for verifying I was not the only one who lost money in BTC conversion value during a period where the market value of the BTC reached one of its highest points in the previous 4 months. Note, however, my hold was not for one withdrawal or day… rather numerous days where NO amount of withdrawal attempts were allowed and with no response or answers to support tickets submitted. I never made or attempted to make a purchase for anything during this period and I was not subject to any “security” concerns or holds. You may be OK with this, but I never leave BTC in excess of US$100 worth in any online wallet for this specific reason. I should have access to my assets in any form at any time I see fit. It is bad enough GAW/Zen removed our ownership powers to do as we wish regarding our Hashlet shares, property, or whatever else you want to call it when the open market and account transfers were closed/restricted with no notice, but take my BTC, FIAT, or other medium of value without my permission and with no offer of compensation and we will have an issue.

Comparing GAW/Zen account holds to traditional bank transfers is unrealistic in truth and fact. A real bank is transparent, you know what is happening at ALL times with your medium of exchange and/or other assets, and they are accountable for their mistakes if/when they occur. Likewise, unless a court garnishment order or IRS account seizure is served upon a traditional bank, there is no legal or functional ability for them to hold your account's balance without your expressed and written authorization (unless you willfully overdraw your account or otherwise defrauded the institution). Even then, the circumstances/procedures are transparent and regulated.

At any rate, I still wish no ill on you or yours, but I refuse to be intimidated or allow who I consider to be an immature and unqualified individual with no real business expertise to take advantage of the true cryptocurrency industry with his pipedreams that are purely engineered to only feed his greed at the expense of others – beyond those who he took care of to establish the top 2 tiers of what can be seen as his Ponzi pyramid.

Scott-

LinkedIn is a professional reference for verifying and contacting people on a personal level. This is publicly available information. Nobody is going crazy or threatening people personally and families. Don't turn this into something it isn't.

I think you guys are taking this to new levels of crazy. While I agree things might not be what they seem and there has been lies and manipulation this thread has started getting very personal attacking individuals, family members, etc. You are not the Internet police and you should be very careful when you are messing with someones livelihood.

OK, thanks for verifying.

Scott-

Scott - this is his account. He has a professional reference from someone who worked with him at Cantor and is connected to other Cantor employees.

One question:
Has anyone verified Mr. Fraser's referenced LinkedIn account data is in fact real?

Kind of a second/related question:
Has anyone contacted Mr. Frazer directly and/or Cantor Fitzgerald to get some clarity on their respective observations of the current situation?

 
Scott-

I laughed when I seen this, are you serious?




I had my pension in one of these.






"There is no way any professional investor wants to be near a ponzi scheme"

Professional investors are the masters of these schemes... Get your head out of your.....

Once again, Fraser provided his thoughts on the current crypto currency enviroment. Fraser is an early investor and co-founder of GAW who happens to work for Cantor Fitz is all. He shares the recently issued patent with Homero, under his own name. Not Cantor Fitz. He is mentoring / big brother'ing Homero and helping him out. He is a private investor who just happens to work for Cantor Fitz. Cantor Fitz is not spending a nickel of their funds in this foolishness. Fraser takes home, what 25 million, 50 million a year? He's commited to helping street urchins from troubled homes from way back when. where Homero comes in. Mentoring and big brother'ing via the church. Do you think Cantor has invested in that silly little real estate web company Fraser is also part of?

The disconnect is deliberate and clear. Craftily re-arranged so you fall for it.

Y'all just too thick to see it.

Fraser [early investor / co-founder] of [subject: gaw miners] proffers his opionion of current crypto matters. And he happens to be part of Cantor Fitz. Subject: Fuckwit Inc. finder of the cure for cancer. Homo the Hero, head of GAWK Hospital, says it is about time.  he is an early investor and co-founder [of??] Fuckwit Inc.

The big announcement tomorrow is the domino effect. The excreted PR's pushed out everywhere, will yield, with some luck a call from a studio of some Podunk Fox affiliate to come and talk about it.  Where after sceeches of glee shall be ' we made it on to teevee'

We're entering circus stage on this little venture, that is for sure.

R00tdude--so you never saw Josh go on record several times promising SHA mining on Primes? You cannot even conceive that some people might have used that calculation to purchase a product, then consider that lying when the appointed time comes and goes twice?

There are many examples of Josh's mouth getting ahead of his brain. When you say or promise something, then fail to deliver at the right time or at all, then that is a lie.

When other people's money is reliant upon accuracy, these things matter even more. Josh should think more and speak less.

Josh has lied to every GAW customer. He has misled every GAW customer.

Whether or not you personally care, or were invested in the products he lied about, is not the issue here.

I have worked with the same PR firms as GAW uses in previous organizations. I have had some of my work on Marketwatch and Yahoo finance as well but every time we paid for the privilege.

Press releases are published by PR firms that charge companies to produce, curate and broadcast the info. The firms themselves pay fees to these services in order to be able to shoot out said info. It's more or less a crapshoot on where those releases will land - at the PR firm I used to work for, we had a couple random ones end up on some big sites.

How would he know what to think? According to Josh, these "trained businessmen" just want the marketing pitch. They don't care or even know how it gets done.

That is why the whitepaper is a piece of marketing fluff with no technical details (according to Josh again).

If anything, this should make one more nervous. Do you think the only person with 30 years of financial experience in the room is going to lose money here? Do you really believe that line "that if one of us wins we all win!"?

Josh said just a few days ago that payouts could be twice as high, they have apparently been like that for awhile, but Josh has just not gotten around to setting what he wants the new Zenpool payment to be. Sounds like Josh winning on that one, not his customers.

I'm with you. His involvement doesn't preclude a scam, but it does mean that there was probably an actual business plan, and he performed some amount of due diligence. There is no way any professional investor wants to be near a ponzi scheme. I highly doubt this guy thinks this is a scam.

LOL and the novel continues... anything is reason to FUD! ahah

Shame on you!

To be clear. I posted this information in the desire to have true honesty and transparency not because I think one way or the other. I want to ensure that people understand who has what stake in where or is involved in what capacity. This is not to pass judgement (there are lots of other people to do that).

he works for the company, therefore his wage is dictated by it's success.
in answer to your question,

yes.

so, my deduction is that he is not actually funding anything, but giving the impression that he has given money to the project, to enable him to take a reap of the rewards of the scam?


provably unfair on investors.