Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 56. (Read 262906 times)

agree agree agree
i tried to warn as many as possible before being banned

trying to upload picture (is that even allowed here?) if not, here's a link anyway



https://www.dropbox.com/s/1drlqthkgbm4gje/chat_ceo_abouttobebanned.PNG?dl=0

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subirimagenes

they have deleted all or most of the related threads

NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM AND SELL SELL SELL NOW THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL

Logs are out.

Range of accounting error extends from Oct 1 to Oct 25.

I was going to say - are you making this all up, none of your links work 

I have a feeling this might be your permanent one.

Normally, a company person's head would roll, not the customers'.

i just got banned (again) for telling him to his face


and all the threads about it seem to be gone

show us how they came to this because we can not
we have no clue what they are mining and how they get the btc to pay us
what they added to my account during the last 2 months should be what was mine in a payout
why do i need now to pay for a mistake they made ?
this is crazy i have -$108 and they tell me i made 216 ??

Now they want you to drag friends and family into this mess.

Tragicomic.

more lies from Josh
https://hashtalk.org/topic/15304/do-i-sell-to-get-out-of-the-red/16


@verloren said:

@Underdog said:

@felineplunk said:

If my account was in the red, and it want because I pulled out all my btc leaving a balance of 0 and then there was a reconciliation, Id sell and leave.
Im in agreement that there does seem to be a lot of growing pains between what happens lately on the development side and communication. This could have been handled differently/more proactively. But I am confident this won't just be shuffled aside and will be addressed by Josh.
Then comes the potential threat of a lawsuit...

Please do not write post like this. The account corrections were made a as result of overpayment. No btc was taken from any account.

everything is, they have non-stop supply of "bugs" that always turn against the people

of course no announcement, that would be inconvenient, people would be pissed (or would panic-withdraw all their BTC)

it's not a good idea to buy/sell in the same day unless you manage to buy low and sell high, 'cuz they take a ridiculous 10% cut

Not good. If their accounting system is messed up, who knows what else is.

it's crazy how he can continue saying things like that and people will just blindly take it

yup, that's the latest one...huge BS

see my thread

https://hashtalk.org/topic/15303/i-m-going-to-speak-up-for-all-those-that-don-t-have-the-courage-reconciliation-of-payouts

@GAW_CEO
A lot of fellow hashtalkers just realized GAW debited as little as 0.01 btc but as much as 2 or 3 BTC from their account (maybe even more).
-I honestly think it's pretty low that you guys did not post an announcement about it, probably to avoid riots (but there's an announcement about silly things like the referral updated); Most people complain that they did not get the email, so it was completely unexpected

-How are you going to prove that you guys overpaid? or you don't have plans for that? they are supposed to take your word for it and hope you don't overcharge them this time?

-What about all those that have been underpaid? i had genesis (before I sold them) paying .00000002 and getting charged fees of 0.00003 or something like that, i don't thin you have "reconciliated" all those that were underpaid. A lot of people with genesis complained about that.

sample threads
https://hashtalk.org/topic/15283/account-debited-anyone-else/
https://hashtalk.org/topic/15299/payout-reconciliation
https://hashtalk.org/topic/15283/account-debited-anyone-else/3

PS I was not impacted because I've liquidated, but I feel my fellow hashtalkers have suffered and something needed to be said. You have already lost a lot of people, but with this kind of behavior you are going to lose a good chunk of your loyal followers ( of course I am not one of them)

HA HA i just signed in
 -0.31698556     -108.63 USD
admins fix your website

Well here's my experience from the last 4 days.

Purchased 5 Zen Hashlets costing $89.75 from GAW
Got onto ZenCloud Activated them discovered the market place and purchased 2 Prime Hashlets for $84 and one Clever Hashlet for $8.97
I was a bit peeved that I had to buy retail for the 5MH of Zen but felt that the retail price would help support my Hashlet price if I were to sell (That didn't last long).

Total Spend of $182.72
On this 4th day I have earnt (mined) $0.40 and 17 Hash Points including using the boosts on the prime.
I have not had any payout on the Clever Haslet from day 1 and the first 2 days of payout  is missing from the Primes. When I say missing I mean not even showing on my balance transaction trail.
For the one payout I have been charged maintenance fees for my Primes which was categorically stated I would not be charged.
I have now put everything up for sale on the market and priced to sell asap. If I can get out with a $80 loss in 4 days I will consider it money well spent to learn the lesson about cloud mining.

Now back to the Subject: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)

First we need to look at what GAW define a Hashlet as:

GAW website "That's why when you own a Hashlet, you don't just own any Bitcoin miner, you own the best Bitcoin miner in the world, trusted by thousands of expert enthusiasts worldwide." (my emphasis).
GAW terms and conditions definition:
1.5. Service(s): means the technological platform, functional rules and market managed by GAW to permit the Sellers and the Buyers to perform buy and sell transactions of cryptocurrencies and commodities.
1.9 Hashlet: means a digital cloud miner hosted and serviced by GAW
GAW terms and conditions SCOPE of the Services:
2.1. The Service allows all Users of the Platform to purchase cryptocurrency mining equipment and/or virtual cloud mining hashing power from GAW.
2.2. The Service allows the Buyers and the sellers, to buy computer processing known as “hashing power”, either through the acquisition of computer equipment or the equivalent processing power hosted by GAW on behalf of the User.

I have not cherry picked the above to make a point just parts that might indicate if a Hashlet exists and my conclusion is..... YES and NO!

Definition 1.5 Services: Is actually the most important term in the whole terms and conditions.  Hashing Power is neither here nor there because nowhere does it state that the hashing power will be used for mining or what ever is mined by the hashing power purchased belongs to the owner of the hashing power.

Going by the impression given on the website I genuinely believed that I was buying Hashrate that would be pointed to mine a pool provide me with a payout less maintenance costs.  Payouts would be improved by clever switching of profitable coins, economies of scale and adoption of new technologies to increase efficiency (lower costs) however this does not seem to be the case. Partly my fault for not reading the terms and conditions carefully enough before buying but the GAW website pitch really does not represent what these Hashlets really are, the service definition is a truer representation.

When I found this thread and the scales very quickly fell from my eyes as it allowed me to find other sources of information and build a fuller picture of what Hashlets are all about, not mining apparently.  Announcements of hash points, hash coins, credit cards, pool payout tied to contract renegotiation made me realise that I had made a mistake and Hashlets were not for me.  I wanted to actually mine and ride that risk roller coaster but in my eyes the Hashlet definitely does not represent that.

So what does a Hashlet represent to me during my brief encounter (if I can ever sell out)?  It seems to just represent a cash and or BTC investment where GAW is the fund manager with not limitations, parameters or obligations.

I am not shouting that GAW badly scammed me, I scammed myself by not doing a good enough job with my due diligence and finding out what the product and service was all about.

Where is the announcement?  I thought they have been underpaying--now they are claiming they are overpaying?


also, unrelatedly, has anyone tried buying a hashlet in the marketplace and then selling it that same day? You would get no fees since it is the first day, right? So anything you mine is yours to keep?

TBH I think that thread and a few others on HT are mocking the whole thing. I can't believe anyone would be so retarded to post crap like that. Since open criticism is not allowed I think some have figured a way to make fun of it without being banned. At least I hope so.