Topic: GazetaBitcoin and his shenanigans. (Read 1118 times)

Unfortunately for Royse777, he has a history of losing control and letting out of control emotions get the better of him. I do not have time right now to first find and then to post links to all associated threads as I am busy but it is a fact.

Royse777 has exposed himself as a hypocrite who contacts the clients of other campaign managers trying to subliminally steal them yet complains when other members contact his clients (or prospective clients) to only warn them to stay away from a volatile, unbalanced and unhinged character with narcissistic tendencies that has an uncontrollable urge to brag about his so-called exploits as a campaign manager.

Pay attention to the impact of your actions. If these clients are privacy enhancing services, their credibility as privacy keepers may decreased by several points. I don't think you should involve or ask for help from your clients in your next feud, you seem like the type of guy who easily loses control.

Yes it was public knowledge. Sinbad was seized towards the end of November 2023 but I had already created a thread in May 2023 asking the question: After Chipmixer, Is Sinbad.io Next To Be Shutdown? therefore it was public knowledge too.

The reason I cited for asking the question that thread was because Sinbad was a re-brand of Blender. A blockchain company had already connected at least $22 million of Blender funds to Sinbad as a means to get their money laundering business started therefore why did Royse777 decide to continue with promoting  Sinbad rather than exit and stop his connection to them when he knew they were money launderers?

I will start with the fact that I guess you know that I do trust you. However, here you're doing it wrong.
Yes, I've seen some of the posts he has made fun* of your advertising. But instead of you letting it go (we do know that advertising must be taken with a couple of grains of salt*), ... we ended up here, with publishing PMs


* I tried to say it nice enough about both; I don't like to see pretty much 3 people I esteem end up in a stupid fight about... umm.. what?

This was public information and everyone knew that sinbad was just rebranded mixer with different name.
If you look the history how this manager handled his previous campaigns you will find many big mistakes.
Now he is blaming Gazeta for talking with his clients, and he is doing the same thing with clients from other managers.
Gazeta is not even a manager  

If (and I'm speculating here) Sinbad was created by a bad actor looking for privacy minded people to exchange their illicit funds, it could very well be 100% of the signature payments came from the wrong side of the law.

PGP isn't very convenient to use. And it won't stop the receiver from publishing the message.

This drama is ridiculous. However, I wouldn't hold Sinbad against Royse. It could happen to any campaign manager. Although now with mixers being bad (banned) the probability of that happening is much lower.

They don't exactly receive information from their project managers that 40% of their activity is money laundering or something like that. After all, why would someone share that kind of information to their advertisers?


End-to-end encryption already exists, it's literally PGP but nobody uses it:

Not here in Canada.  I was a IT manager for over 30 years and I never once gave a manager access to an employee's email.

Regardless of what Royse777 decides to do with this thread, it is clear what type of mindset he has. We have to note this is not the first time he has engaged in such behaviour it will not be the last either. He seems to go through periodic cycles of creating threads in the Reputation board on matters that suit his agenda.

OK, I apologize, I edited that post and emphasized that I was trying to be sarcastic.

I think what Royse777 should do is change the thread title to "Discussion of private messages on the forum and possible alternatives" and move it to Meta, as the discussion this thread has been focusing on for days now has little to do with the title or any reputation, as was the original intent of the thread.

@Royse777, You only create the thread without replying to the comments and now the thread is running to two pages. When someone creates a thread for important discussion then the author of the thread would follow up the thread and make replies in the thread. You created a thread for the forum users to sell themselves in the right way and you gave some examples which private PMs were used and also pinned points some of the things you wouldn't post for private purpose and for you, I have done bad and you create a thread inserted without any comment. I didn't against your thread over there and only said you wouldn't do that since it was a private chats but whereby the person permitted you or you have an issue and the forum needs evidence for you to clear yourself then you can publish it. But in that case you were advising the forum users to sell themselves so there was no need to bring out a confidential private chats to the public. I have not against you in anyway but only made some corrections. Don't be offended.

Till now I have not known why my name is highlighted here in the Op. Please can you make an input for me to know why?  You would have made a comment in the other thread to reply my comment instead of creating new topic for it.

And for the Pm, it will not be nice to remove it or giving some second for the text to be disappeared, there are some PMs that are good for future reference. And there are some vital information that are good to keep it there for future reading. Now it is left for the forum users to understand the uses and usage of the Pm then all will be well. Please don't expose another person secret with you, the matter what. Stay safe and Chat fair.

Why should we completely disable the ability to send PMs? It doesn't bring any problem. The problem only arises when someone publishes private message and absolutely nothing can solve that problem. Tell something to someone, send message to someone, any human can always reveal private info. The solution is not to prohibit communication.

How can encryption save you from revealing your PM? First of all, people rarely use PGP, then, even if you send me PGP encrypted message, what stops me from revealing your PM? Or what stops me from sending it so someone else if they ask me to send? I don't do any of that but you got the point.

Do you mean the mixer? That is a completely different scenario.

This reminds me of banning some features on the forum because one [banned name] turned out to be bad. 

Forum already provided a solution but most of us don't take it serious.

The Forum PM is not end to end encrypted and most managers have access to their clients accounts/PMs ( this is not a bad idea as most of the time they serve as ANN moderator). If one must send a confidential message he has to encrypt it or use another means. Nothing is private here.

Removing a feature because someone who used the feature did something that's not even forbidden seems like a terrible solution.

I agree with you, I also think he is the one not behaving himself. Royse777 has a habit of digging a hole and climbing in to it. What is he trying to achieve by bringing more unnecessary focus to a subject that really does not deserve it. He was attacking icopress and GazetaBitcoin in various threads recently and now he has created another one to extend the feud.

I would definitely question the manner in which Royse777 conducts himself as a campaign manager but have not contacted any prospective clients looking for a campaign manager to advise them to stay away from Royse777. If they read the feedback and believe the nonsense he feeds them about why he received negative tags unfairly (or via a vendetta), they deserve each other as far as I am concerned.

If Royse777 can write to promoters advising them to ditch icopress or any other campaign manager then he has lost the moral high ground when it comes to others writing to promoters that he works for therefore I have no idea why he is complaining at every opportunity about other members.

Where do you people get the guts to publish the other party's PM without their permission?

I would understand if it was a scammer or someone trying to spread malware.

And then this endless drama. It's not worth it. We found this forum and one day we shall leave it just like that. All these fights for power and signature campaigns won't matter. I like ignoring, It's the best medicine.

Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs. This possibility seems to bring only problems. edit: sarcasm

Automatic deletion of PM is wrong for several reasons. For example, what if the message is long and I can't read it in those 30 seconds?
What kind of protection is there if I immediately forward it further?
For example, when I'm discussing with someone via PM, especially if it's about some trade or deal, I always send quotes along with the answer so that all parties are sure we're talking about the same thing because most often a deal can't be made in 30 seconds. And I would say that it is quite important as a possibility.

I'm not in favour of making public PMs, I guess there's a reason why they're called "private messages", but there are situations where it's necessary.

First of all, I think that feature is not possible without JS but at the same time, it's possible to use Bitcointalk without javascript, so, it's meaningless to implement such a feature. Then, it's impossible to block 3rd party softwares from capturing a screen. Even if that was possible,  what if I am recording my screen with smartphone camera before I open the PM? Such a feature doesn't make sense.

We need to invent a little box that plugs into a USB port, that can send a signal to nearby phones to deactivate their cameras.  Then we need to write a virus that can bypass HTML safeguards, and all done!

That's a terrible idea, why would you delete PMs just because someone might publish them, like how often does this happen? is it even bad enough? most others would prefer PMs to stay there, I do some business on the forum and my PMs have some order details either me selling or buying something from other forum members, while I do keep all this info somewhere else "safer", I would like for them to stay there just in case something goes wrong both parties could go back and check since none of us can change the content of the messages (except the Admins obviously).


There is no such thing, you can't control people's hardware, they could always take screenshots, and videos, doesn't matter how hard you try to restrict that on a software level, they could always just use another phone to take a picture.

There is no point in automatically deleting them messages, besides forum's PMs aren't exactly private, they are sent in plain text, Cloudflare sees them, the receiver's email provider sees them, the forum admins do, and moderators can "if PMs are reported", also god knows if other devs who maintain the forum code (if they exist) can also see them.

It's fine to request an encrypted PM system just to stop those parties from viewing your PMs.

Of course, regardless of these messages not being exactly private, I still think it's wrong to publish them unless there is a strong purpose and that would be person A claiming that person B said something to or about them in a PM, person B denies that and asks person A to prove it, Person A is left with no other option.

In this incident, Royse could have said "GazetaBitcoin is PMing my clients and making x claims about me", without revealing the whole content like this, I also think GazetaBitcoin's PM to Royse's client is wrong, he has the right to complain to that client for sharing the message with Royse, but the accusation in the PM makes it seem so his goal is just to stop the client from doing business with Royse.

I now wonder, what started all of this between the two of you? I know that you two are reasonable folks, neither of you is a proven scammer or a troll, and neither of you used the trust system to punish the other person, so was it worth it to go this far? and how far are you willing to drag each other into this? I don't think any of you would manage to "destroy" the other person's reputation with all of this, you are probably just going to make things worse for both of you, maybe it's about time for peace talks?

In this instance you can't know who will and will not publish a private message, you just trust that experienced members will know better and will keep discussions private, between the parties involved in it.

This will not still count as proof enough cause the public cannot verify the content of the private message.

If you are worried that what you send to someone might be published, maybe you shouldn't send it? I agree that royse should not have published the pm conversation and maybe the whole matter should have been handled privately. There are some instances where publishing a pm would be considered ok, but that's usually going to involve outing a scammer.

This all looks like attempts to drown each other in each subsequent new topic, arguing with new evidence of the opponent’s dishonesty. This one looks like two rams with their horns facing each other on a bridge. Don't be offended for this comparison. The question is how long will this hostility and attempts to harm each other continue? Maybe we should concentrate on something useful and constructive, huh?

You made an interesting observation. Strong people have something to do and don't get down on all fours and bark back at dogs when they bark at them. Such an allegory. Worry is already an indicator of weakness.

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

That would be a great feature to add to the forum, with end-to-end encryption so Cloudflare can't read it anymore. But it won't stop people from screenshotting and still posting it.

Pst, madam, are you for real? Did you even read the PM in detail and completely? GB is calling Royse a scammer with 2 scam projects including sinbad campaign, so one has to wonder, are all their accusations like that? If you refuse to spend sanctioned funds to pay participants should you be accused of scam? Such a criteria to consider people scammer, should not be tolerated on DT.

But you know, I have a solution for all of that, make GB going through KYC before acting as escrow, other than that, this thread is enough evidence for public view to know who they are dealing with in the future.

@Royse777, has GB abused DT tags? If yes, present them, if not then a reasonable and decent DT should leave him a neutral tag linking to this topic, that's it. Important thing is that he is not a scammer. "yet"

OP, as always, you acted hastily. Yes, maybe you received a PM and realized that there was some kind of fuss going on behind your back. But if you are confident in your abilities, why once again create actions that, in my opinion, are not thoroughly thought out from all points of view? If you can handle your problems on your own, why prove it to everyone? Your clients will always stay with you if they are truly yours.
Once again, about strong people. They will not prove anything to anyone, knowing that they are right. But since you are worried, does that mean your clients may also doubt you?

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

The problem is, when you broadcast someone's PMs, you cross a red line.

I think it's normal that Gazeta isn't happy about that, and he absolutely has the right to write to whoever he wants, doesn't he?

I am even thinking that Gazeta is pretty cool regarding this ; if someone would publish my PMs, I think I would do a lot of noise about it.

Another new day, another new shenanigan. Grabbing my popcorn, don't go too fast and make it a 30 page topic immediately.

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Shieet.

The dude who shared gazeta's PM with R777 did it again after receiving another message. There is no privacy in 2023, no need to wait till 2030 I guess.

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All I see here people fighting for money. Campaigners fight basically.



Well, money is worth fighting for.

However, it is uncool to share PM's publicly. If you are going to fight shenanigans, fight them in equal terms. You got private information in a private message? That happens all the time in this forum. But posting it publicly, that takes it to another level. You can do something with the private information (not talking about this particular case, speaking in general) you got from your informer (other than sharing it publicly), just be smart about it.

I don't get it: You complain about people sending a PM to "your clients" (and that's not the first time), but when it's convenient for you, you do the same thing!

I don't think someone on DT should publish other people's PMs.

For the record: publishing a PM is not plagiarism. It could be a copyright violation though.

I would suggest a golden rule of "Keep the PM private, unless one party is misleading about the contents."  If someone is sent an unsolicited message, I feel it's fair game to post such a PM, but not once you have interacted with the person.  Then you refer to the golden rule. 


I agree with this.   People flock to comparison websites.   Don't insult your competition, instead explain how you are better.

Both seem like bad business etiquette. Just my 2 cents.

Good you are not biting, therefore unignored you to respond.

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Going behind people's backs is wrong, if you can do better than your competition, prove it publicly, not via PM, but poaching( I know it's not the correct term to use ) clients is accepted behaviour if it's done fairly and publicly, here is why:

In every business, you have to compete all the time, how do you do that? By providing the better product than the others.
What would be bad is to spread lies and try to defame the competition.

Royse is a cheap manager, instead of advertising his "better" services, he  went the cheapest route possible, but did he accuse the competition of fraud and scam without evidence? If yes, then he's just a scum, if no, then he is just a cheap inexperienced businessman.

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On the other hand, GB bragging about getting merits and recognition from admins, DTs etc, while trying to act as escrow and persuade businesses to hire him for advertising their services is bound for disastrous results, that's called taking advantage, not a trustworthy move IMO.   But that's all, my opinion. How people will react and deal with GB from now on, is up to them.

Don't forget the case about sinbad payment offer to resolve the issue, icopress and GB offering a deal to publicly and blatantly circumvent a US sanction on that escrow address, while royse identity is known, that seems to be a dirty trick to get him in trouble, don't you think?

I'm still confused as to what the etiquette is regarding PMs to someone's clients. It's seems to be either perfectly acceptable or totally inappropriate to send such PMs, seemingly based on a complex formula involving lunar phases and tea leaves. I assume publishing someone's PMs is contingent to similarly elaborate "rules".

I'm not gonna step into this shit without my muck boots on, but I did want to clarify a post I made in another thread:


Seems I was absolutely incorrect about who Royse777 was talking about, and I don't think I had any part in this beef between campaign managers. 

OK, I'll dip my sandals.  PMs ought not be published like this IMO.  That said, I believe I'm guilty of posting some spammers' or shitposters' PMs in the past but I have repented before Buddha, rubbed his belly and rotated them rosary beads clockwise.  I've been washed in the blood of the lamb.  Not a good practice, especially when the PMs are coming from an active, senior member of the forum.

Vod, you know that hasn't happened yet and you've been here longer than most members have been of legal drinking age.  It's doubtful any set of rules is going to be adopted and adhered to.  It's a free-for-all and always has been.

The community needs to come up with a set of rules for escrows and any other person that holds coins intended for others. 
To misuse the coins for any other purpose is embezzlement, and the "legal team" would have mentioned that right away.

 

Look who decided to show up here!

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Publishing PMs to prevent further damage/loss in the future is a really good thing to do, it's called protecting the community, is there anything wrong in those PMs? is it now a bad thing that the whole world can read those PMs? Why is it a bad thing, after all they contain nothing shady, am I right? Of course they contain shenanigans, now everyone involved in such shenanigans will be worried and would try to discredit Royse for publishing them.

But don't be surprised when you go after someone's business, they have all the rights to defend themselves. If PMs contained a personal secret such as a family issue, revealing it would be bad, but those PMs contain no such information. It's good to warn people about it, did you guys see what happened to symm? Now imagine if he could get away with hundreds of thousands of $ if he was acting as escrow. Feel me?

After all, the only conclusion that can be drawn from OP is following conclusion:

GazetaBitcoin's PM is 100% true that a PM sent to Royse777 et al. is not a PrivateMessage anymore:


It's more like a PM (as it will get published in Beginners & Help or Reputation sooner or later).


I don't know if OP noticed that creating this whole new topic here now is basically a confirmation that all of the points what GazetaBitcoin outlined in the PM are true (once again a PM published by Royse777 without any permission and therefore violating GazetaBitcoin's privacy repeatedly):


So, everyone who's sending a PM to Royse777 is at risk to suffer a big breach of privacy, of confidential information that was mutually agreed to be available only for 2 people ("PrivateMessage" but because Royse777 is publishing "P"M's repeatedly (it's not the first time), PrivateMessages will possibly become available for the whole world (8,000,000,000 people instead of 2).
Especially on a Bitcoin forum, such privacy breaches are very concerning.

So after all the topic trying to look like an inspirational one really just had nefarious intentions - to slander icopress and GazetaBitcoin. Is managing campaigns really that boring that attacking other forum members is a side hustle now?

That means that you are someone very important or VIP, and all other members are nobody and they are below you?
Did Gazeta said something that is not true or did he lied about something?
And to be fair you contacted clients from other managers if I remember correctly.

Do you think you deserve to be in DT after all that happened with campaigns you managed?
I guess everyone else is against poor you as you are creating topics like this all the time.
Good luck tilting at windmills.  

Damn, I warned him two weeks ago to watch out for karma, as he was following symm's behaviour step by step, but you gotta tell the truth even if it ends bad for you. The only one time you should lie is when your life is at stake.

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The fact that icosomething offered to take in the stolen money, GB then thinking that was a good offer, others such as bounty sis also trying to persuade you into believing that you should spend the stolen funds just to pay the participants, means 1 thing IMO, they all are a part of a large sig farm and had many accounts on sinbad campaign, otherwise those innocent participants backed off and never mentioned anything about the payments again.

This also indicates that such people have no moral code in life to follow, they would do all it takes to earn money by all means necessary.

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When you send PMs for any reason, you should consider this, even if nobody finds out, God knows the truth, if you always consider that, then you'd never send such PMs to people to go behind their backs and damage their reputations.

I have also heard that icosomething had sent out PMs to some DT members to manipulate the trust system, hopefully those DTs come clean and reveal the truth to show the unmasked faces of such shady people to everyone.

You gotta be kidding me  I saw the last thread you created and I think you're the only one not behaving too well.

GazetaBitcoin if you are thinking I am not aware of what you send to my clients then you are wrong. My clients are closely connected with me and for them you are nobody but just a forum member. I am gonna drop the whole message that was sent so that everyone can see the real character of GazetaBitcoin.


I did not know what he had in mind, as what he did is just unthinkable. It's ridiculous, gross and it only makes him lose credibility in front of people, since all will think twice if they should ever PM him again or if they'll work with him, since he is publishing PMs without consent. And, once again, this happened only because you shared a private conversation between you and me with him -- without my consent.

Other users also reacted to this miserable gesture:


Needless to mention, this Royse, which you hired as a manager, has no manners, no respect for other campaign managers. Here, for example, he talked with no respect about Hhampuz, which is one of oldest campaign managers of the forum.

He was involved already in 2 proven scams so far. First is Sinbad, which was shut down by authorities and now he does not pay the campaign participants (not even when a feasible solution was proposed to him). His second involvement with a scam was with BitLucy and this is already reflected as negative feedbacks from DT on his Trust page:


As you can see above, with Sinbad it was not the first time when he refused to pay campaign participants. He did it with BitLucy participants as well.

And let's also not forget the fact that he was banned for sending unsolicited PMs.

He is a very conflictual person, starting multiple threads for the conflicts he had with reputable users of the forum  (like Royse v Poker Player; Royse v icopress (+ the fact that he locked that thread suddenly, with no explanation); Royse v TimeLord (where he did not even realize that he's complaining for a feedback left by a non-DT user, which does not influence his Trust score anyhow); Royse v JollyGood and so on.

Last, but not least, he always brags himself around with how much money he has (and which do not belong to him); he brags himself for running best paying campaign (which lasted 10 days) etc.

So this is the manager you hired. Are you proud of your decision?

And are you proud of what you did?

I am eagerly looking for your reply.

Gazeta.