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hero member
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January 02, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure
Given the rumors that investors cannot liquidate even after the 6-month lock-in period (see previous posts), the disastrous performance of the fund this year, and the continuing lack of the long-overdue open market for their shares,  I really do not see why someone would invest in this fund.
Are you sure? Just a month ago, someone spent $10M in this fund
I saw that, and I still can't see why someone would do it.

Many people, like you, could't see why someone would buy bitcoin when it dropped from $32 to $2. They said bitcoin was a complete failure. Today, even with the "disastrous performance" in 2014, bitcoin is still 150x better than the $2 bottom.

OK, ignore the "disastrous performance" if you will.  There is still the fees, failed promises, and (apparently) having to watch the share value drop without being able to take the money out.  Now, remind me, what were the advantages of buying fund shares instead of buying bitcoins directly?
legendary
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January 02, 2015, 10:17:36 AM
The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure
Given the rumors that investors cannot liquidate even after the 6-month lock-in period (see previous posts), the disastrous performance of the fund this year, and the continuing lack of the long-overdue open market for their shares,  I really do not see why someone would invest in this fund.
Are you sure? Just a month ago, someone spent $10M in this fund
I saw that, and I still can't see why someone would do it.

Many people, like you, could't see why someone would buy bitcoin when it dropped from $32 to $2. They said bitcoin was a complete failure. Today, even with the "disastrous performance" in 2014, bitcoin is still 150x better than the $2 bottom.
hero member
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January 02, 2015, 10:03:05 AM
The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure
Given the rumors that investors cannot liquidate even after the 6-month lock-in period (see previous posts), the disastrous performance of the fund this year, and the continuing lack of the long-overdue open market for their shares,  I really do not see why someone would invest in this fund.
Are you sure? Just a month ago, someone spent $10M in this fund
I saw that, and I still can't see why someone would do it.
legendary
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January 02, 2015, 09:18:24 AM
The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure

Given the rumors that investors cannot liquidate even after the 6-month lock-in period (see previous posts), the disastrous performance of the fund this year, and the continuing lack of the long-overdue open market for their shares,  I really do not see why someone would invest in this fund.


Are you sure? Just a month ago, someone spent $10M in this fund
hero member
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January 02, 2015, 06:17:34 AM
The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure

Given the rumors that investors cannot liquidate even after the 6-month lock-in period (see previous posts), the disastrous performance of the fund this year, and the continuing lack of the long-overdue open market for their shares,  I really do not see why someone would invest in this fund.

Indeed, those rumors must be true, because otherwise investors should be liquidating in droves.



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January 02, 2015, 01:58:47 AM
not much buying lately from these guys - probably a holiday thing, but will be interesting to see if it picks up again after the new year

Holidays, plus they got loaded in the 50k FBI auction (it doesn't count for the Fund, though), plus they like to buy everytime price starts to go up, not when price goes down.
This is interesting. The 2nd market BIT is generally a very large whale. When the price is increasing their investors will buy more, causing additional upwards price pressure
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
not much buying lately from these guys - probably a holiday thing, but will be interesting to see if it picks up again after the new year

Holidays, plus they got loaded in the 50k FBI auction (it doesn't count for the Fund, though), plus they like to buy everytime price starts to go up, not when price goes down.

I thought the FBI coin is bought by another group related to second market but not bitcoin investment trust.

Base on the NAV and holdings, it doesn`t look like they are the one who won the auction

Indeed, you are right. That's exactly what I was pointing.
That coins are not hold in NAV, but buyers are probably the same. In the FBI auction buying group owners hold their own bitcoins, they pay less fees and they probably paid below market price. That's why no one bought in this Fund after that auction, they got fully loaded for a while.
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
not much buying lately from these guys - probably a holiday thing, but will be interesting to see if it picks up again after the new year

Holidays, plus they got loaded in the 50k FBI auction (it doesn't count for the Fund, though), plus they like to buy everytime price starts to go up, not when price goes down.

I thought the FBI coin is bought by another group related to second market but not bitcoin investment trust.

Base on the NAV and holdings, it doesn`t look like they are the one who won the auction
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
not much buying lately from these guys - probably a holiday thing, but will be interesting to see if it picks up again after the new year

Holidays, plus they got loaded in the 50k FBI auction (it doesn't count for the Fund, though), plus they like to buy everytime price starts to go up, not when price goes down.
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 08:25:40 PM
not much buying lately from these guys - probably a holiday thing, but will be interesting to see if it picks up again after the new year
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
Yep, I have been reading that for a while. Do you have a source or link to that newsletter that confirm it?

All of the official updates sent out have the receivers name, email and date printed on the background of the document.

Participants have signed certain agreements so that is why you are not seeing "official" memos scanned and shown on imgur or scribd.

Cool to know about it!

Thanks for the info Smiley
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 11:09:48 AM
All of the official updates sent out have the receivers name, email and date printed on the background of the document.
Participants have signed certain agreements so that is why you are not seeing "official" memos scanned and shown on imgur or scribd.

Ah, thanks!
vip
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December 30, 2014, 10:46:09 AM
Yep, I have been reading that for a while. Do you have a source or link to that newsletter that confirm it?

All of the official updates sent out have the receivers name, email and date printed on the background of the document.

Participants have signed certain agreements so that is why you are not seeing "official" memos scanned and shown on imgur or scribd.
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 10:03:22 AM
Pray for these guys not dumping any time soon before a big rally.
According to the latest newsletter, nobody can sell from the BIT due to issues with the SEC.
Yep, I have been reading that for a while. Do you have a source or link to that newsletter that confirm it?
Interesting. From what others have written, I understand that "sell from the BIT" means "liquidating their shares", correct?

That reads like Stage 1 in the Karpelès Scale.
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 08:20:23 AM
Pray for these guys not dumping any time soon before a big rally.

According to the latest newsletter, nobody can sell from the BIT due to issues with the SEC.

Yep, I have been reading that for a while. Do you have a source or link to that newsletter that confirm it?
vip
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December 30, 2014, 08:15:26 AM
Pray for these guys not dumping any time soon before a big rally.

According to the latest newsletter, nobody can sell from the BIT due to issues with the SEC.
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 08:14:30 AM
At least participants are not wantonly dumping with recent sell-off, yet anyway. Grrr.

Pray for these guys not dumping any time soon before a big rally. If they do, massive selloff and lose of confidence in bitcoin will begin.

Hm, in order for any hope of a new rally weak hands must sell. There is no other way around. The question is what is the price at which early adopters will sell (like 30k we saw at 275 on bitstamp).
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 07:56:07 AM
At least participants are not wantonly dumping with recent sell-off, yet anyway. Grrr.

Pray for these guys not dumping any time soon before a big rally. If they do, massive selloff and loss of confidence in bitcoin will begin.

Most of them are longterm investors, and probably know they could be down for a while. So I guess they won't panic for a few years, though.
hero member
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December 30, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
At least participants are not wantonly dumping with recent sell-off, yet anyway. Grrr.
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 06:42:27 AM
Slight increase since last update
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