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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want

Is it the NAV thing ? 1 share = 1/10 of a bitcoin ?

If so, is it me or they sell when its low? For instance:

11-Apr-14   38.34   39.2   101144   -555   -0.21   

Why the fuck did they sell ? Am i reading the graph correctly ? I thought they were top pro investors. I'm reading this thread to learn from the pros lol. I'm not even kidding.

If not, would you mind telling us where is the price indicated instead of telling us to read something I'm sure we read 10 times already but we either are 1) not from an english speaking country 2) too noob to figure it out 3) both



You have also to take into account that they are only allowed to buy in multiplies of 25k$.

They are by no means top investors - just people who happen to have a spare $25,000 and want to invest it in bitcoin. This is not actively managed fund, Barry buys whenever his retail investors want. Initially, they were only allowed to buy - many of their investors still cannot sell (those who invested in the last 6 months). Yeah, they have history of "buying at the top". Think of them as the richer noobs Wink

Omg, if thats true, barry must make so much money from these guys. He just has to wait for his phone to ring and his investors litterally give him money. He doesnt even have to call them ! He's waiting for them to make bad calls !

Do you all realise ? It's like a giant casino that taxes its players two times : for the membership and whenever they play.

THIS IS PURE AWESOMENESS

I AM IN AWE

BARRY, I BOW TO YOU

Yeah, they charge all kind of fees: entry fee, exit fee, management fee Smiley. If you sell after a year, I think you will pay them 5%+ for the pleasure Smiley.

The Second Markets only job is to keep bitcoins safe for the investors. They are also trying to buy them below market price from the third parties, not sure if it is for their or their investors profit. But to get such a cushy job you have to comply with all kinds of regulations, do ton of paperwork, invest ton of your own money initially - so don't get too jealous Wink
 
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So everyone going to start buying on Thursdays now?  Grin

Wednesday night  Wink
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So everyone going to start buying on Thursdays now?  Grin
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want

Is it the NAV thing ? 1 share = 1/10 of a bitcoin ?

If so, is it me or they sell when its low? For instance:

11-Apr-14   38.34   39.2   101144   -555   -0.21   

Why the fuck did they sell ? Am i reading the graph correctly ? I thought they were top pro investors. I'm reading this thread to learn from the pros lol. I'm not even kidding.

If not, would you mind telling us where is the price indicated instead of telling us to read something I'm sure we read 10 times already but we either are 1) not from an english speaking country 2) too noob to figure it out 3) both



You have also to take into account that they are only allowed to buy in multiplies of 25k$.

They are by no means top investors - just people who happen to have a spare $25,000 and want to invest it in bitcoin. This is not actively managed fund, Barry buys whenever his retail investors want. Initially, they were only allowed to buy - many of their investors still cannot sell (those who invested in the last 6 months). Yeah, they have history of "buying at the top". Think of them as the richer noobs Wink

Omg, if thats true, barry must make so much money from these guys. He just has to wait for his phone to ring and his investors litterally give him money. He doesnt even have to call them ! He's waiting for them to make bad calls !

Do you all realise ? It's like a giant casino that taxes its players two times : for the membership and whenever they play.

THIS IS PURE AWESOMENESS

I AM IN AWE

BARRY, I BOW TO YOU
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Activity: 336
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want

Is it the NAV thing ? 1 share = 1/10 of a bitcoin ?

If so, is it me or they sell when its low? For instance:

11-Apr-14   38.34   39.2   101144   -555   -0.21   

Why the fuck did they sell ? Am i reading the graph correctly ? I thought they were top pro investors. I'm reading this thread to learn from the pros lol. I'm not even kidding.

If not, would you mind telling us where is the price indicated instead of telling us to read something I'm sure we read 10 times already but we either are 1) not from an english speaking country 2) too noob to figure it out 3) both



You have also to take into account that they are only allowed to buy in multiplies of 25k$.

They are by no means top investors - just people who happen to have a spare $25,000 and want to invest it in bitcoin. This is not actively managed fund, Barry buys whenever his retail investors want. Initially, they were only allowed to buy - many of their investors still cannot sell (those who invested in the last 6 months). Yeah, they have history of "buying at the top". Think of them as the richer noobs Wink
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want

Is it the NAV thing ? 1 share = 1/10 of a bitcoin ?

If so, is it me or they sell when its low? For instance:

11-Apr-14   38.34   39.2   101144   -555   -0.21   

Why the fuck did they sell ? Am i reading the graph correctly ? I thought they were top pro investors. I'm reading this thread to learn from the pros lol. I'm not even kidding.

If not, would you mind telling us where is the price indicated instead of telling us to read something I'm sure we read 10 times already but we either are 1) not from an english speaking country 2) too noob to figure it out 3) both



They are not trying to be top pro investors.  They are letting you* get in or out whenever you want at whatever price you* see fit.

(* For values of "you" that include mega-wealthy millionaires.)
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want

Is it the NAV thing ? 1 share = 1/10 of a bitcoin ?

If so, is it me or they sell when its low? For instance:

11-Apr-14   38.34   39.2   101144   -555   -0.21   

Why the fuck did they sell ? Am i reading the graph correctly ? I thought they were top pro investors. I'm reading this thread to learn from the pros lol. I'm not even kidding.

If not, would you mind telling us where is the price indicated instead of telling us to read something I'm sure we read 10 times already but we either are 1) not from an english speaking country 2) too noob to figure it out 3) both

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Bought ~341 BTC
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.

If you read the OP carefully you should find what you want
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
I would be satisfied with that day's closing price in Bitstamp. It would certainly help to appreciate the absolute failure at timing the BIT investors have been consistently achieving over the bear market.

EDIT: Unless there is some delay before publishing figures and they have actually picked the bottoms beautifully.
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment

It's not possible as no such data is released
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Would you mind indicating the bitcoin price at which they buy too ? It's one of the most important thing to know and can help a lot when you are a noob at bitcoin investment
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Any update?

No action, will update later

Will you update the speculation thread as well? Cheesy
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Any update?

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Any update?
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Will we see another big chunk bought this Thursday  Huh

That's real. Here are the average amount of bitcoin bought on different weekday:

Mon: 140.6818182
Tue: 122.5833333
Wed: 355.2272727
Thu: 1304.5
Fri: 317.173913


Yeah, there is a very statistically significant preference to buy on Thursdays, although they also buy on different days. WTF?

Maybe they have a contract with a miner to buy coins on Thursdays?  Wink

I am curious what today's amount will be regardless.  It does not seem to bump the price much when they purchase though, unfortunately.

That is an easier question to answer - see above. I actually think there is correlation with the price. Today, they bought a modest amount and the price went up very modestly. When they were buying 4 digit amounts, price was going up muchmore. But of course, it can be the other way - their retail investors may be most tempted to buy during and uptrend, not during a clear bear market we have now.
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Friday, April 25th: NAV $45.85 Net assets: $48.2 MM No change

Monday, April 28th: NAV $43.00 Net assets: $45.2 MM No change
Tuesday, April 29th: NAV $43.77 Net assets: $46.0 MM No change
Wednesday, April 30th: NAV $43.62 Net assets: $45.8 MM No change
Thursday, May 1st: NAV $44.79 Net assets: $47.6 MM ca. 1283 BTC bought
Friday, May 2nd: NAV $44.20 Net assets: $47.0 MM No change

Monday, May 5th: NAV $42.73 Net assets $45.4 MM Conclusion: No change
Tuesday, May 6th no change
Wednesday, May 7th: NAV $43.11 Net assets $45.8MM No change
Thursday, May 8th : NAV $43.61Net assets $46.4MM ca.  171 BTC bought
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Maybe they have a contract with a miner to buy coins on Thursdays?  Wink


But the thing is, they are not buying for themselves - they are buying whenever they customers want. So more likely explanation would be that for some strange reason they allow the customers to buy - mostly - on Thursdays  Huh Or that they have one very eccentric and very wealthy customer that prefers to buy on Thursdays ?

Neither explanation seem to make much sense to me  Angry
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Will we see another big chunk bought this Thursday  Huh

That's real. Here are the average amount of bitcoin bought on different weekday:

Mon: 140.6818182
Tue: 122.5833333
Wed: 355.2272727
Thu: 1304.5
Fri: 317.173913


Yeah, there is a very statistically significant preference to buy on Thursdays, although they also buy on different days. WTF?

Maybe they have a contract with a miner to buy coins on Thursdays?  Wink

I am curious what today's amount will be regardless.  It does not seem to bump the price much when they purchase though, unfortunately.
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Activity: 336
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Will we see another big chunk bought this Thursday  Huh

That's real. Here are the average amount of bitcoin bought on different weekday:

Mon: 140.6818182
Tue: 122.5833333
Wed: 355.2272727
Thu: 1304.5
Fri: 317.173913


Yeah, there is a very statistically significant preference to buy on Thursdays, although they also buy on different days. WTF?
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