GekkoScience has a new stickminer that does 300+GH - page 33.

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Quote from: Sledge0001 on March 30, 2022, 12:49:46 PM

I do have 3 x SiPolar hubs that can't seem to handle even 2 Compac F's above 2.5A so I am happy to replace hopefully all of them!

Im not sure what you mean but i use 5x sipolars 120w hubs,all populated same way with 3Fs & a fan on each hub and all running btween 525Mhz to 600Mhz. that i believe is a power range of 2.7A to 3.3A. I havent perfected the art of tunning them all to run at same freq so i left them to run that way for now..

My observation is.. Even Sipolar has a fake.. while i was shopping for sipolar hub i noticed the fake one from the real , they called it Sip0lar - where the o was replaced with numeric zero -0. so i went straight to the source to order , which means goin back all d way to china.
Unless my results below doesnt count .. I stand corrected.

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[U]SB management [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
  0: GSF 10050577: BM1397:01+ 525.00MHz T:525 P:525 (24:12) | 100% WU:100% | 346.9G / 348.8Gh/s WU:4872.2/m
  1: GSF 10050582: BM1397:01+ 490.00MHz T:490 P:490 (26:13) | 100% WU:100% | 352.0G / 346.3Gh/s WU:4837.5/m
  2: GSF 10050580: BM1397:01+ 585.00MHz T:585 P:585 (22:11) | 100% WU:100% | 374.1G / 377.8Gh/s WU:5278.3/m
  3: GSF 10050558: BM1397:01+ 530.00MHz T:530 P:530 (24:12) | 100% WU:100% | 315.2G / 379.7Gh/s WU:5303.8/m
  4: GSF 10050552: BM1397:01+ 540.00MHz T:540 P:540 (23:12) | 100% WU:100% | 324.5G / 362.8Gh/s WU:5068.5/m
  5: GSF 10050555: BM1397:01+ 585.00MHz T:585 P:585 (22:11) | 100% WU:100% | 412.8G / 387.0Gh/s WU:5406.5/m
  6: GSF 10050666: BM1397:01+ 600.00MHz T:600 P:599 (21:11) | 100% WU:100% | 393.5G / 382.0Gh/s WU:5337.0/m
  7: GSF 10050664: BM1397:01+ 530.00MHz T:530 P:529 (24:12) | 100% WU:100% | 387.6G / 350.1Gh/s WU:4890.9/m
  8: GSF 10050663: BM1397:01+ 600.00MHz T:600 P:600 (21:11) | 100% WU:100% | 349.0G / 395.3Gh/s WU:5522.5/m
  9: GSF 10050451: BM1397:01+ 505.00MHz T:505 P:505 (25:13) | 100% WU:100% | 384.2G / 333.4Gh/s WU:4658.0/m
10: GSF 10050455: BM1397:01+ 480.00MHz T:510 P:464 (26:13) | 100% WU:100% | 250.2G / 360.5Gh/s WU:5036.1/m
11: GSF 10050457: BM1397:01+ 550.00MHz T:550 P:550 (23:12) | 100% WU:100% | 374.1G / 356.1Gh/s WU:4974.1/m
12: GSF 10050588: BM1397:01+ 600.00MHz T:600 P:600 (21:11) | 100% WU:100% | 388.3G / 392.3Gh/s WU:5480.4/m
13: GSF 10050590: BM1397:01+ 505.00MHz T:505 P:505 (25:13) | 100% WU:100% | 356.0G / 363.0Gh/s WU:5071.8/m
14: GSF 10050591: BM1397:01+ 545.00MHz T:545 P:545 (23:12) | 100% WU:100% | 353.1G / 366.0Gh/s WU:5112.8/m

sidehack

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Does it deliver 12A per port for that 60W, or does it deliver 20V 3A?

nullama

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It's very hard to find a powered USB hub that provides 3A per port because that's way above the USB3 standard, so it's non-standard by definition.

A standard USB3.0 hub has a maximum of 0.9A per port(4.5W).[1]

Hubs that support the USB Battery Charging 1.2, or BC 1.2 for short, work up to 1.5A per port(7.5W) [2]

There are non-standard/propietary ways of going beyond that. The most common value I've found is 2.4A (12W), for example that's what the 7 port hub from bitcoin merch delivers. [3]

If you need to have a hub for USB2-3 devices that deliver 3A per port you can either buy a used one (the gekkoscience one and others are all sold out AFAIK) or, if you're more adventurous, there are some people making custom developments and sharing their designs. Here's the post[4] and the actual source code for the design files of a 4-port USB2 hub with 3A delivery per port (15W) [5]. In theory you could DIY your own USB hub with 3A per port using those files if you have the skills.

Ideally the next generation of USB miners should be done with USB-C, which allows much more power in a standard way. For example, the Dell dock WD19TBS has a USB-C that provides 3A (15W). [6]

USB-C allows the creation of devices like this guy, a 4 port USB-C hub that delivers 12A per port (60W). [7]

I'm not sure if there's a way of delivering power to a USB2-3 device from a USB-C hub. But that could be worth checking.

After a quick search, it looks like it might be possible to use one of these new USB-C hubs to get 3A per port. This simple converter from USB-C to USB3.1 [8] states:

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Certified by USB-IF to be compliant with USB 3.1 Gen 1 Standard; backwards compatibility to USB 3.0 and 2.0; power output up to 5V, 3 Amp

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_2.0
[3]: https://bitcoinmerch.com/products/powered-usb-hub-3-0-7-port-50w-for-usb-miners-newpac-twopac-moonlander-antminer-us-plug
[4]: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/usb-high-power-3a-per-port-hub-based-on-usb2514b/
[5]: https://circuitmaker.com/Projects/Details/LtFlash/USB-High-Power-hub
[6]: https://dl.dell.com/topicspdf/dell-wd19tbs-dock_users-guide_en-us.pdf
[7]: https://www.coolgear.com/product/usb-power-delivery-4-port-type-c-240w-super-speed-hub
[8]: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Type-C-Gen1-Female-Adapter/dp/B01GGKYXVE

yettihead

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I was watching that on ebay, the price was just a little to high. He kept listing it and if it dropped drown to around $500 I was going to jump on it.

Sledge0001

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Yes! For the record I have 3 Compac F USB miners and an Arctic USB fan running on a single ICONE USB 2.0 120W HUB.

I couldn't get a 4th to run on the ICONE hub and keep the other 3 plugging away at the higher speeds unfortunately.

Each of the 3 Compac F's does appear to be getting fed up to 3A per unit without tripping up or faltering.

I did buy a used GekkoScience USB hub and 2 Compac F's from Ebay this past week so I will try to load it up with a bunch of Compac F miners and see how it goes....

I do have 3 x SiPolar hubs that can't seem to handle even 2 Compac F's above 2.5A so I am happy to replace hopefully all of them!

n0nce

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Quote from: Wikiz on March 30, 2022, 12:10:34 PM

Shouldnt be enough 2.4A to at least do some OC right?

The thing is, I can not find a 3A usb Sad

(On stock you know)

It should work, but as you've seen, sometimes 2.4A hubs don't actually deliver that power if you don't plug in a BC3.1 compatible device that correctly 'requests' all that power. But I'm afraid that you've just got to try if nobody here can confirm the hub you chose to be working or not working.
If you have a measured result though, it would be great if you could share so we know if it's good or not!

Wikiz

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Quote from: n0nce on March 30, 2022, 09:46:56 AM

Quote from: Sledge0001 on March 29, 2022, 09:24:08 PM

@n0nce that was me getting lucky on CkPool with 9 Compaq F's.

I wasn't using the bitcoinmerch USB hub though and honestly it looks to be a rebranded SiPolar hub. I have a few of the SiPolar and trust me they won't get it done!

I am still using ICONE 10 Port USB 2.0 120Watt Hubs. They are impossible to find at this point but these can supply up to 3A to 3 USB ports without any issues.

The ones I use look like this: (Notice the different fan vents when finding these. If they are sold with a different fan vent then they are the same crap as the SiPolar)
https://i.postimg.cc/jSPFC8Z9/image.jpg

I know!

That's why I linked your post. Thanks for the clarification; it's very good to know that you've already compared ICONE vs SiPolar. The SiPolar / Bitcoinmerch do look very similar to your hubs, but the vent is giving it away, indeed. Had not noticed that.

This means, for the record, confirmed working is for now only ICONE 10 Port USB 2.0 120Watt Hub and GekkoScience USB Hub.

Quote from: Wikiz on March 30, 2022, 09:39:10 AM

This is the next I'm going to try:

https://bitcoinmerch.com/products/powered-usb-hub-3-0-7-port-50w-for-usb-miners-newpac-twopac-moonlander-antminer-us-plug?variant=38035901317269

I don't know if anyone tried that yet with a Compac F. I am pretty sure that it will provide a maximum of 2.4A, which might honestly be enough. But it certainly won't output 3A, since even the advertising only speaks about 2.4Amps.

Shouldnt be enough 2.4A to at least do some OC right?

The thing is, I can not find a 3A usb Sad

(On stock you know)

msalvatti

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Please, can someone give the contact of ASICPuppy? Through the website I can't find the email to contact, the error page.

On the forum I read people commenting on ASICPuppy, would you be able to contact them?

Thanks.

n0nce

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Quote from: Sledge0001 on March 29, 2022, 09:24:08 PM

@n0nce that was me getting lucky on CkPool with 9 Compaq F's.

I wasn't using the bitcoinmerch USB hub though and honestly it looks to be a rebranded SiPolar hub. I have a few of the SiPolar and trust me they won't get it done!

I am still using ICONE 10 Port USB 2.0 120Watt Hubs. They are impossible to find at this point but these can supply up to 3A to 3 USB ports without any issues.

The ones I use look like this: (Notice the different fan vents when finding these. If they are sold with a different fan vent then they are the same crap as the SiPolar)

I know!

That's why I linked your post. Thanks for the clarification; it's very good to know that you've already compared ICONE vs SiPolar. The SiPolar / Bitcoinmerch do look very similar to your hubs, but the vent is giving it away, indeed. Had not noticed that.

This means, for the record, confirmed working is for now only ICONE 10 Port USB 2.0 120Watt Hub and GekkoScience USB Hub.

Quote from: Wikiz on March 30, 2022, 09:39:10 AM

This is the next I'm going to try:

https://bitcoinmerch.com/products/powered-usb-hub-3-0-7-port-50w-for-usb-miners-newpac-twopac-moonlander-antminer-us-plug?variant=38035901317269

I don't know if anyone tried that yet with a Compac F. I am pretty sure that it will provide a maximum of 2.4A, which might honestly be enough. But it certainly won't output 3A, since even the advertising only speaks about 2.4Amps.

Wikiz

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So which usb hub should I buy?

I've tried with the AmazonBasics one, a sabrent.

This is the next I'm going to try:

https://bitcoinmerch.com/products/powered-usb-hub-3-0-7-port-50w-for-usb-miners-newpac-twopac-moonlander-antminer-us-plug?variant=38035901317269

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Quote from: n0nce on March 29, 2022, 05:56:03 PM

Great job! Monitoring tools always help...

I really recommend the GekkoScience hub, but it's on the expensive side and you do need a spare ATX PSU to power it. Look a few pages back in this thread; there are people with other hubs on which the miners seem to work fine!

I believe this is what the person that recently found a block with these sticks is using.
It costs $80 and has the PSU built-in.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59079082

@n0nce that was me getting lucky on CkPool with 9 Compaq F's.

I wasn't using the bitcoinmerch USB hub though and honestly it looks to be a rebranded SiPolar hub. I have a few of the SiPolar and trust me they won't get it done!

I am still using ICONE 10 Port USB 2.0 120Watt Hubs. They are impossible to find at this point but these can supply up to 3A to 3 USB ports without any issues.

The ones I use look like this: (Notice the different fan vents when finding these. If they are sold with a different fan vent then they are the same crap as the SiPolar)

n0nce

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Quote from: Wikiz on March 29, 2022, 11:16:20 AM

Today I've received both the fand and ammeter.

Dude, such a big difference the fan, the gekko now is cold like ice.

On the other side, the amazonbasics 65W hub def is not delivering 2.4A, just 1.5-1.7A, so I think I will look for other options.

Still I managed to see my compac f at 310GH/s Cheesy

Great job! Monitoring tools always help...

I really recommend the GekkoScience hub, but it's on the expensive side and you do need a spare ATX PSU to power it. Look a few pages back in this thread; there are people with other hubs on which the miners seem to work fine!

I believe this is what the person that recently found a block with these sticks is using.
It costs $80 and has the PSU built-in.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59079082

Wikiz

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Today I've received both the fand and ammeter.

Dude, such a big difference the fan, the gekko now is cold like ice.

On the other side, the amazonbasics 65W hub def is not delivering 2.4A, just 1.5-1.7A, so I think I will look for other options.

Still I managed to see my compac f at 310GH/s Cheesy

n0nce

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Quote from: zulupapa on March 24, 2022, 07:32:49 AM

Hi guys, I've got mine too. I haven't tried it yet, because I'm waiting for my raspi to set it up. I've noticed however, that the stick's layout has slightly changed compared to v8.1. Did you see it? Has it anything to do with its performance?

I'm unfortunately not allowed to attach any pictures, maybe because I'm new here, but found out the way how to explain what has changed:

The black regulator (?!) with 14 legs on the right hand side, directly under the screw has gone and it was replaced with an 8 legged one, which is ca. 1/5 of the original's size.

That's a counter, probably used as a clock divider, shouldn't affect performance.

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Quote from: zulupapa on March 24, 2022, 10:40:14 AM

...
I've made some research and this forum is a real gold mine! Firstly didn't know which version to use and after comparing them decided to rather go with Kano's cgminer. It seemed the most up-to-date with some extra Ferrari adjustment possibilities, but now I'm sure this is really the right one to run with. Thanks for the tip!! Can't wait to start the engine though Cheesy

For running the Ferrari you must use Kano's latest version because no others have the driver that he had to write for CGminer to work with the ASIC chip used on the F. Beyond that, Kano also cleaned up code that -vh wrote to support the chips that Sidehack's older sticks use including adding the -tune2 option for them.

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Quote from: ziporah on March 24, 2022, 08:13:24 AM

Mine also have the 4 pin regulator, they seem to work fine, if you don't forget to cool them ...
One of mine dropped all the components Huh

because I tought it would run on stock frequency without extra cooling.
I re-soldered them all by hand using flux, and it's up and running again, with printed 40x40 air ducts and fans connected on them, now they behave and don't drop parts Grin

Whatever you do, use the Kano version of cgminer, it runs more stable then the other versions found on github and is running with about 0.5A less power usage for the same frequency settings ...

Yeah, cooling can be a huge issue as far as I can see here from the comments. Good to hear, you could fix yours. Wink

I'll be very cautious, but thanks for the warning. I've already bought a 10 cm (diameter) fan. It'll turn out really quickly if it's enough or have to buy a bigger one. Hopefully will do it

I've made some research and this forum is a real gold mine! Firstly didn't know which version to use and after comparing them decided to rather go with Kano's cgminer. It seemed the most up-to-date with some extra Ferrari adjustment possibilities, but now I'm sure this is really the right one to run with. Thanks for the tip!! Can't wait to start the engine though Cheesy

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Mine also have the 4 pin regulator, they seem to work fine, if you don't forget to cool them ...
One of mine dropped all the components Huh

because I tought it would run on stock frequency without extra cooling.
I re-soldered them all by hand using flux, and it's up and running again, with printed 40x40 air ducts and fans connected on them, now they behave and don't drop parts Grin

Whatever you do, use the Kano version of cgminer, it runs more stable then the other versions found on github and is running with about 0.5A less power usage for the same frequency settings ...

zulupapa

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Hi guys, I've got mine too. I haven't tried it yet, because I'm waiting for my raspi to set it up. I've noticed however, that the stick's layout has slightly changed compared to v8.1. Did you see it? Has it anything to do with its performance?

I'm unfortunately not allowed to attach any pictures, maybe because I'm new here, but found out the way how to explain what has changed:

https://www.419mining.com/wp-content/uploads/20211012_184638-600x800.png

The black regulator (?!) with 14 legs on the right hand side, directly under the screw has gone and it was replaced with an 8 legged one, which is ca. 1/5 of the original's size.

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Quote from: n0nce on March 23, 2022, 12:09:19 PM

Quote from: Biffa on March 23, 2022, 11:10:39 AM

I'd say definitely overheating. When I got my first one I plugged it directly into the USB port on my PC and walked away. Got so hot it melted the solder off one of the surface mount chips on the board. Luckily not terminal, once I put it in the Gekko USB hub with some fans it was fine.

Wow, that's wild! And the components didn't fall off?

Yeah it did, but it still works Shocked

n0nce

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Quote from: Wikiz on March 23, 2022, 12:12:52 PM

Oh, thank you for your replies

My hub delivers up to 2.4A, so yup, definitely its gonna be the lack of fan, I will wait and use with it before touching the screws

Also gonna order one of this ammeter just to double-check

Thanks again

Very welcome! These ammeters are super useful to identify if the hub can deliver what it says it can. That's because many of them only deliver the full amount if the device requests it through actual USB messages according to the USB power delivery specs. The GekkoScience sticks don't communicate these messages though, so depending on the hub, you may or may not be stuck on 0.7A which isn't enough to hold any type of usable clock speed.

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