Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 123.

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Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

If we look at both teams we need to Check their history, at a PSG they don’t have am history like Bayern Munich, they are just like Manchester city that wants to win the UCL and until they did that they didn’t appreciate the other achievements but in German league Bayern Munich had won the champions league before and so it is not a new thing but the league is dare to then and they don’t want anyone winning it, they are similar to Juventus who prioritize their league then than the champions league,

Also this clubs that usually are built with money think they can buy success and as such they don’t value any other thing other than the champions league. The first priority for Kompany will be to take Bayern back to the Bundesliga tittle and if he manages to clinch the champions league then it will be a added bonus to them but not the priority now

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 04, 2024, 09:11:30 AM

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I didn't quite understand your point/what you want to prove. If Aston Villa is a top team and Bayern lost, then he is right, if Aston Villa is an average/weak team, then Bayern's defeat even more clearly shows that Bayern is not ready to compete at the top level. In general, no one disputes the good performance of German clubs in European competitions (they now seem to be first in the overall ranking), but this does not mean that in individual confrontations they are mostly favorites.

You probably choose not to understand the point am making otherwise it's clear to grasp. Aston villa having a one narrow win against elite team as Bayern doesn't automatically qualify them to be called a top team in Europe. Villa has never played in any European league competition since not until now and immediately because they won Bayern Munich you guys now assume them a top team position in the UCL. How ridiculous!

Are you delirious?

Well, I take exception to this question as it doesn't settle well with me, especially in a healthy discussion as this except you've are with a different view here.

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No one is saying Aston Villa are the best in Europe or even close. We are talking about the strength of Bayern and obviously here we need to look at the results with strong teams (Aston Villa is certainly one of them) and not with clubs like Dinamo Zagreb.
Ok, I don't care how you rate Aston Villa, but how do you rate the fact that Bayern lost? As a coincidence? Probably other results with strong teams are also a coincidence?

This season Aston villa is playing in strong form no doubt but unlike the loss Bayern Munich had against Barcelona in a 4:1 result which couldn't be a coincidence but a clear defeat of a better side but that of Aston villa doesn't really reveal such confidence under a 1:0 defeat. Bayern in this very game had a hard-luck in scoring because Villa didn't even played much better than Munich team did.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 04, 2024, 12:22:30 PM

RB Leipzig's failure to win their game over the weekend is a big boost to Bayern Munich's quest to win the German Bundesliga this season but surely not a guarantee that Bayern Munich will win the league. They're currently separated by just three points in the league table which means that second placed Leipzig can still recover and win the league of they can maintain a consistent performance. There's no doubt to the fact that Bayern Munich is the favorites to win the league this season but they'll have to work hard to clinch the title

Their lose has made Bayern Munich the only team that remains unbeaten in the Bundesliga and with the way Bayern Munich is going this season it this is their season, they lost the league to Leverkusen the previous season and from their form in this current season it seems they've retraced their steps hence the good form and unbeaten run. Well, if they maintain it past the January transfer window them there's a possibility of them winning the league back from Leverkusen. However between Leipzig and Bayern Munich I think it's Leipzig that's got a more tougher challenge cause they'll be playing against Monchenglach next whereas Bayern's next match is against St Pauli, which won't be very difficult for Bayern to claim the 3 points, I don't doubt if Leipzig would win though but then Bayern are the most likely team to get 3 points in their next game and I stand on your word that they're the favourites to win the league, it's not going to be very easy cause along the line they'll face injuries which could make their form decline but if they keep pushing then they stand good chance of winning it.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on November 04, 2024, 12:01:32 PM

Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

RB Leipzig's failure to win their game over the weekend is a big boost to Bayern Munich's quest to win the German Bundesliga this season but surely not a guarantee that Bayern Munich will win the league. They're currently separated by just three points in the league table which means that second placed Leipzig can still recover and win the league of they can maintain a consistent performance. There's no doubt to the fact that Bayern Munich is the favorites to win the league this season but they'll have to work hard to clinch the title

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Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

Quote from: imamusma on November 04, 2024, 11:35:29 AM

Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

I think Bayern Munich only need to be able to dominate the Bundesliga, not have big targets in the Champions League like PSG did. Because anyway, if you consider the previous coaches that Bayern Munich is also only consistent for the Bundesliga trophy, until the coach can be retained. But, when Tuchel became Bayern Munich coach and failed to get the trophy then the dismissal occurred. Also, although Bayern Munich has great dominance in the Bundesliga, the reality is that Bayern Munich is also not always good in the Champions League. Thus, I think Kompany has had a safe point to be at Bayern Munich for longer, because a good result in the Bundesliga was enough for Bayern Munich to keep Kompany.

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Quote from: snipie on November 04, 2024, 11:54:50 AM

It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

At least Munich must secure 1 trophy that they lost last season because of Leverkusen's good performance. now some teams are not performing as well as last season, Leverkusen experienced a decline because last season they lifted the trophy without defeat and now Munich is the only team that is still undefeated in the Bundesliga.
Their journey in the Champions League will continue. I am sure they will qualify for the next round. we have to see it until the end, but the most important thing is they must not lose focus in the Bundesliga. all trophies are important for the history of the club. Munich is no exception.

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Quote from: imamusma on November 04, 2024, 11:35:29 AM

Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

The emotions of the fans depend from a team to another. In Ligue 1 for example, most PSG coaches won the title but they weren't all successful in the eyes of the owners and the fans because they are trying to lift UEFA Champions League trophy. Same goes for Bayern Munich, if Kompany will bring them back 1.Bundesliga title ,they will be happy for a short time but if he succeeded to bring UEFA CL title, he will be a legend.
It is true Bayern Munich is advancing good and that Leipzig defeat by Dortmund helped them get some distances, yet nice stats cannot stand in front of European competitions results.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2024, 11:00:16 AM

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Liking kompany is not what you will expect most persons to do, literally he's on probation currently because even the management of Bayern Munich didn't give him a long term deal but with time they will get to like him if he's very productive and probably gets them a trophy by the end of the season, one thing I even see about him is that he doesn't seem to listen to all the hates and all that, he's focused on making say to get his job delivered from which i believe hes going to gain some more trust and love probably.

Present a trophy as proof, and that's how to gain the trust and love of the fans, even making the club offer a contract extension with a higher salary bill per season. Kompany is heading in the direction we mean, at least in the Bundesliga. 9 games unbeaten, his team has scored 32 goals and only conceded 7 times. Statistics that indicate that Kompany has great potential to lead his squad to the podium when the season ends. If successful, Kompany will have a closer emotional connection with Bayern Munich fans and of course respect.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on November 04, 2024, 10:34:58 AM

Yea, Kompany's journey at Bayern Munich has just started a few months, we can always see how it develops, I know even though Bayern Munich is now at the top standing, but there are still many people who don't like him. Because they still think that Kompany is not that experienced that easily. In the upcoming UCL this week, they will face Benfica. This may not seem so difficult for Bayern Munich, but they must also remain alert to what Benfica can do to defeat their opponents.

Source: Benfica are up next at the Allianz Arena. - UCL

Liking kompany is not what you will expect most persons to do, literally he's on probation currently because even the management of Bayern Munich didn't give him a long term deal but with time they will get to like him if he's very productive and probably gets them a trophy by the end of the season, one thing I even see about him is that he doesn't seem to listen to all the hates and all that, he's focused on making say to get his job delivered from which i believe hes going to gain some more trust and love probably.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2024, 08:55:35 AM

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That's why I said that Kompany must cope with this situation. So that he can optimize all the performance of his squad in not only the Bundesliga but also the UCL. /onefootball.com/id/berita/vincent-kompany-leads-europe-in-reaching-major-bayern-milestone-40253965]Vincent Kompany[/url][/i][/size]

Well it's all starts with getting it right within a particular sphere before which you move on to the next, I'm also aware that every coach of international standards is supposed to build a copping mechanism with which they use to scale through both regular and unusual situations,

Yea, Kompany's journey at Bayern Munich has just started a few months, we can always see how it develops, I know even though Bayern Munich is now at the top standing, but there are still many people who don't like him. Because they still think that Kompany is not that experienced that easily. In the upcoming UCL this week, they will face Benfica. This may not seem so difficult for Bayern Munich, but they must also remain alert to what Benfica can do to defeat their opponents.

Source: Benfica are up next at the Allianz Arena. - UCL

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 03, 2024, 06:49:22 PM

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After 3 consecutive defeats in all the competitions they run, Dortmund finally managed to get their victory back this week.

I actually don't have big expectations for Dortmund but indeed this result clearly makes them regain confidence especially the club they managed to beat was Leipzig, whose statistics at the start of the season were very good this season.

This is a good momentum for Nuri Sahin and he must stay with this path if he does not want his coaching position to be threatened because after all now Dortmund must try harder to get their performance back and can be a club that remains in the competition for trophies.
In this match they were in control and their dominance from the first half eventually led to the 3 points after Guirassyi scored the winning goal.

It was an interesting game to watch in the German Bundesliga when Borussia Dortmund surprisingly defeated in form RB Leipzig and I think the victory will go a long way in imprving the mentality of Nuri Sahin's inamen who's been inconsistent with their performances this season. Serhou Guirassy did find the back of the net in that game but he's not been prolific as he was last season that he finished the league campaign with 28 goals for his former club Stuttgart. If Borussia Dortmund must stay consistent again this season, then Guirassy must find his scoring boots again.

It is quite interesting to see Borussia Dortmund back to their feet after their shock defeat to Madrid in the UEFA champions League and another loss in in German bundesliga. I think it is a well deserved win because a lot of people would have thought that RB Leipzig were going to beat Dortmund who seem to be a bit unstable at the moment but they managed to navigate through what was seen as an impossible mission for the German giants. At some point the Dortmund side seemed as if they were experiencing momentary issues after their loss to Madrid which in turn affected their performance but all of those issues ended when they won against RB Leipzig and I think their confidence have restored once again.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 03, 2024, 04:00:24 PM

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I didn't quite understand your point/what you want to prove. If Aston Villa is a top team and Bayern lost, then he is right, if Aston Villa is an average/weak team, then Bayern's defeat even more clearly shows that Bayern is not ready to compete at the top level. In general, no one disputes the good performance of German clubs in European competitions (they now seem to be first in the overall ranking), but this does not mean that in individual confrontations they are mostly favorites.

You probably choose not to understand the point am making otherwise it's clear to grasp. Aston villa having a one narrow win against elite team as Bayern doesn't automatically qualify them to be called a top team in Europe. Villa has never played in any European league competition since not until now and immediately because they won Bayern Munich you guys now assume them a top team position in the UCL. How ridiculous!

Are you delirious? No one is saying Aston Villa are the best in Europe or even close. We are talking about the strength of Bayern and obviously here we need to look at the results with strong teams (Aston Villa is certainly one of them) and not with clubs like Dinamo Zagreb.
Ok, I don't care how you rate Aston Villa, but how do you rate the fact that Bayern lost? As a coincidence? Probably other results with strong teams are also a coincidence?

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Quote from: Lafu on November 03, 2024, 04:29:47 PM

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Bayern Munich beating out Union Berlin wasn't really unexpected, of course they won that game, and they are looking strong as ever yet again, which is what we come to expect from Bayern Munich usually ,it wasn't the case last season but this season they look like they are better at league once again so this win was expected and good.

I agree that this season Bayern Munich looks for sure better and good as they did the last season.
That they have won against Union Berlin was really not a sursprise and unexpected as you have written.
But there are a few things that they have to work on specially in there defense , they have sometimes some troubles.

I have absolutely no complaints about Bayern Munich's performance against Berlin. They have a solid attack and defence, a clean sheet, and good game management with minimum effort. They played more calmly in this game. It's great to see them keep their clean sheet after three games. Hopefully, they can defend this much longer.

I know you're worried about their defense when they face a high-profile opponent in the UCL. But, they're slowly improving. Their consistency in the Bundesliga will help them to bounce back.

It's pretty interesting to see how well Bayern Munich is to face a great opponent at UCL. They seem well prepared to face a tight game, and the game against Benfica is gonna be a good test.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2024, 08:55:35 AM

Quote from: TelolettOm on November 03, 2024, 06:44:10 PM

That's why I said that Kompany must cope with this situation. So that he can optimize all the performance of his squad in not only the Bundesliga but also the UCL. But we also appreciate how Kompany has been able to maintain his position in the Bundesliga so far. This will always be a development and progress that Kompany must work on in order to make Bayern Munich really strong not only in the Bundesliga but also in the UCL or other leagues to fight big teams.

Source: Vincent Kompany

Though Bayern Munich haven't been totally perfect this season but we can't shy away from the fact that they're more improved than the Bayern Munich team we saw under Thomas Tuchel last season that finished the entire campaign without a trophy. Vincent Kompany is doing his best but still needs to improve and I'm very optimistic he'll continue to improve Bayern Munich. I see them conquering not just Germany but Europe in no distant time if they continue to improve with their current pace

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Quote from: TelolettOm on November 03, 2024, 06:44:10 PM

That's why I said that Kompany must cope with this situation. So that he can optimize all the performance of his squad in not only the Bundesliga but also the UCL. But we also appreciate how Kompany has been able to maintain his position in the Bundesliga so far. This will always be a development and progress that Kompany must work on in order to make Bayern Munich really strong not only in the Bundesliga but also in the UCL or other leagues to fight big teams.

Source: Vincent Kompany

Well it's all starts with getting it right within a particular sphere before which you move on to the next, I'm also aware that every coach of international standards is supposed to build a copping mechanism with which they use to scale through both regular and unusual situations, for kompany domestic leagues has been his thing and not champions League but with Timi if Bayern keeps him for the benefits of doubts, the story may turn out different subsequently, I'm optimistic about that because the domestic performance shows growth is very possible with such a team.

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Quote from: W Jr. on November 03, 2024, 09:48:14 PM

Bayern Munich was already very good at attacking football. They have problems in defensive areas. They have the same problem in the Champions League. I think Bayern Munich needs to pay attention to their defense. If they can handle their defense, they will have no problems offensively. They have very good forwards and Harry Kane scores a lot of goals. I think they will win the German league this year. They couldn't win last year and they are very ambitious this year.

A club must have a balance between attack and defense, including a balance in the midfield that bridges the two positions in these very important areas. The role of the midfielder is very important, because if they cannot maintain the rhythm of the game and cannot maintain balance, then the game will be chaotic. I think Bayern Munich currently has all of that. Their defense also looks good to me, maybe we have different points of view on this. 7 goals were created from 9 appearances they played in the Bundesliga I think that's fine. Maybe when they lost in the Champions League it was seen how fragile their defense was.

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Quote from: pusaka on November 04, 2024, 06:59:03 AM

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Quote from: mamesso on November 03, 2024, 11:20:57 PM

If the club's habit of selling young players is eliminated, perhaps Dortmund will be a strong contender in the hunt for the Bundesliga trophy. This habit is a weakness in my opinion, they sell star players at high prices then look for other talented young players at cheaper prices to become star players. Now the level of competition in the Bundesliga is very competitive, Leverkusen is starting to show its fangs, Leipzig is also still very consistent in maintaining its performance and Frankfurt is also a dark horse team that is ready to provide a surprise. If Dortmund cannot improve their squad depth, they will struggle to compete for a top-four finish and face a Champions League exit.

The habit will not be removed and most people here must know that Dortmund has been known as a business team since long ago. It seems to have been agreed upon by the management and sometimes all of that has a purpose that we do not know. And regarding Leverkusen, I actually still doubt this team to be able to survive in the long term to compete for the bundesliga title. Because we know that Munich has started to become a more consistent team even though there is Leipzig who is trying to catch up with Munich but all of that will not last long.

I don't know how motivated they are to win the title, because what I see is that their motivation in doing business is very big. Is that a bad thing? I can't say it's bad, because a team has to do business and in football now everything is business. However, I can also say it's bad, because they don't put achievement and business on the same level. They should be able to make business and achievement go hand in hand, without one being higher than the other. A team will also have difficulties if they are not good at doing business, and when they prioritize business, then Borussia Dortmund is a real example. I hope the management can change this habit, because if they want, they can actually achieve great achievements.

Few months ago we have already to discuss about this that why Dortmund has a habit always sell their potential players is they want to stabilized their financial and when other teams are interested want to buy their players then usually those teams are willing to bought the players with expensive price so Dortmund can used those money for salary players and for club needed but indeed some of Dortmund former players has complaining these habit that Dortmund will always be hard to compete with Bayern Munich for race title if they didn't stopped their habit but i don't think Dortmund president will be considering these suggestions and they will always to thinking to sell the players with expensive price

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Quote from: tusandii on November 03, 2024, 10:16:13 PM

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It was an interesting game to watch in the German Bundesliga when Borussia Dortmund surprisingly defeated in form RB Leipzig and I think the victory will go a long way in improving the mentality of Nuri Sahin's men who's been inconsistent with their performances this season. Serhou Guirassy did find the back of the net in that game but he's not been prolific as he was last season that he finished the league campaign with 28 goals for his former club Stuttgart. If Borussia Dortmund must stay consistent again this season, then Guirassy must find his scoring boots again.

Dortmund's victory over Leipzig has its own satisfaction for its supporters because Dortmund was able to defeat a strong competitor in the Bundesliga which makes me wonder a little why Dortmund was able to defeat Leipzig but could not defeat Augsburg and Wolfsburg which are clubs that are weaker than Leipzig? Has Dortmund really fixed their previous mistakes? I would be quite happy if Dortmund improved because recently Dortmund's performance has declined quite sharply as a top club that is always in the top 3. Regarding Guraissy, he has not been as productive as last season but this season he is at a different club and needs to adapt to be productive again.

Yes, it's quite surprising that Dortmund managed to beat Leipzig, which is certainly a strong team this season, but in the previous few matches they lost to two weak teams, namely Augsburg and Wolfsburg as you said, and to be honest I don't know whether they have really experienced a change in performance for the better as you thought or not, but what is certain is that from what I saw in the previous two matches when they lost against the weak team, namely Dortmund playing away and we can see when they managed to win over Leipzig, they played at home which might mean that Dortmund's performance and mentality are good when they play at home.
On the other hand, yes, I also feel a little sad when I see Dortmund starting to be shifted in the competition until it makes them now in the top 5 of the standings, but of course it doesn't mean it's impossible for them to climb up as time goes by this season.

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Quote from: len01 on November 04, 2024, 06:12:20 AM

Quote from: mamesso on November 03, 2024, 11:20:57 PM

If the club's habit of selling young players is eliminated, perhaps Dortmund will be a strong contender in the hunt for the Bundesliga trophy. This habit is a weakness in my opinion, they sell star players at high prices then look for other talented young players at cheaper prices to become star players. Now the level of competition in the Bundesliga is very competitive, Leverkusen is starting to show its fangs, Leipzig is also still very consistent in maintaining its performance and Frankfurt is also a dark horse team that is ready to provide a surprise. If Dortmund cannot improve their squad depth, they will struggle to compete for a top-four finish and face a Champions League exit.

The habit will not be removed and most people here must know that Dortmund has been known as a business team since long ago. It seems to have been agreed upon by the management and sometimes all of that has a purpose that we do not know. And regarding Leverkusen, I actually still doubt this team to be able to survive in the long term to compete for the bundesliga title. Because we know that Munich has started to become a more consistent team even though there is Leipzig who is trying to catch up with Munich but all of that will not last long.

I don't know how motivated they are to win the title, because what I see is that their motivation in doing business is very big. Is that a bad thing? I can't say it's bad, because a team has to do business and in football now everything is business. However, I can also say it's bad, because they don't put achievement and business on the same level. They should be able to make business and achievement go hand in hand, without one being higher than the other. A team will also have difficulties if they are not good at doing business, and when they prioritize business, then Borussia Dortmund is a real example. I hope the management can change this habit, because if they want, they can actually achieve great achievements.

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Quote from: mamesso on November 03, 2024, 11:20:57 PM

If the club's habit of selling young players is eliminated, perhaps Dortmund will be a strong contender in the hunt for the Bundesliga trophy. This habit is a weakness in my opinion, they sell star players at high prices then look for other talented young players at cheaper prices to become star players. Now the level of competition in the Bundesliga is very competitive, Leverkusen is starting to show its fangs, Leipzig is also still very consistent in maintaining its performance and Frankfurt is also a dark horse team that is ready to provide a surprise. If Dortmund cannot improve their squad depth, they will struggle to compete for a top-four finish and face a Champions League exit.

The habit will not be removed and most people here must know that Dortmund has been known as a business team since long ago. It seems to have been agreed upon by the management and sometimes all of that has a purpose that we do not know. And regarding Leverkusen, I actually still doubt this team to be able to survive in the long term to compete for the bundesliga title. Because we know that Munich has started to become a more consistent team even though there is Leipzig who is trying to catch up with Munich but all of that will not last long.

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