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Bayer Leverkusen can't be that bad next season but I believe they can never be seen as the Bayer Leverkusen of 3-4 seasons back, what I mean is that they are one of the big boys in the German league and their games will attract attention more because of how they carry the game and how they performed by dominating one of the strongest of all time Bayern Munich.
Imagine Alonso repeating the same thing by making it difficult for Bayern Munich, I think that would be the end because it only shows that Munich have lost that strength of getting back that glory and Leverkusen is a worthy champions but I can't say it will because even Dortmund are also getting ready to over shine Bayern Munich and the current Champions Bayer Leverkusen.
In Serie A I think is something that always happens when a team win the title they become useless the next season with a very poor performance and you'd be tempted to ask if this was the team that won the league or is there something wrong somewhere? I think is only when Juventus was in their prime that they won their league title severally without doing bad the next season but for Bundesliga I think it will be a different show, Bayer Leverkusen can still retain the title, even if they don't I believe they won't play very bad like Napoli did in the Serie A.
Bayer Leverkusen were champions last season but they might not be champions next season and their biggest hurdle will be Bayern Munich. Bayan Munich did not have so many plans with this team, but after this team's great performance last season, Bayer Munich is definitely planning more with Bayer Leverkusen. Even if Bayer Leverkusen did not win the championship, there is no reason to consider this team's position at the very bottom of the points table. If Bayer Leverkusen can play their usual game, they could still be in second or third place in the points table.  

The season hasn't started yet but I'd say as per my prediction that if Bayern Munich don't play according to plan then Bayer Leverkusen will have a chance to advance.  

The beginning of the season is very important for every team, if the teams do not perform well in the beginning then they cannot close the points gap later on and come to the top of the points table.
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I can't wait for Bayern Leverkusen to meet Arsenal in the pre-season,where we will see the likes of Arsenal legend Granit Xhaka play against his former team, Arsenal.I know Leverkusen are very good,and this kind of test is what Arsenal needs to see whether they are improving or Leverkusen will flog them.Well,in my opinion,I think that match against those two clubs are very good,therefore they will  share points.
We know that Arsenal will not let any team win them in the pre-season, therefore,if Arsenal cannot win,they will try to get a draw.
I think this match is quite difficult to predict Arsenal is a tough Premier League club but Leverkusen also cannot be underestimated this club performed consistently last season so a fair result for both might be a draw, but once again the pre-season match cannot be used as a benchmark for clubs to see their performance better or not anyway in the end they might meet again in the Champions League if they are in the same group where the match is more serious than now.

Instead I actually can't wait to see it the new season to start and just waiting a few more weeks we will soon witness it which is certainly more exciting than a friendly match we will see Bundesliga clubs fighting to show their best, do you think Leverkusen still has the ability to win the title again next season??
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I can't wait for Bayern Leverkusen to meet Arsenal in the pre-season,where we will see the likes of Arsenal legend Granit Xhaka play against his former team, Arsenal.I know Leverkusen are very good,and this kind of test is what Arsenal needs to see whether they are improving or Leverkusen will flog them.Well,in my opinion,I think that match against those two clubs are very good,therefore they will  share points.
We know that Arsenal will not let any team win them in the pre-season, therefore,if Arsenal cannot win,they will try to get a draw.
Arsenal will have a good fight. Leverkusen are a great team and they gained great experience last year. I wonder if Leverkusen can continue this fight this year. Maybe the friendly will be a preview of that. It will be a good fight for both Arsenal and Leverkusen. It will be great to watch.
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Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.
Leverkusen will face a much more interesting match because facing Arsenal will provide a real picture of the strength of Xabi Alonso's team next season. Likewise with Arsenal where Areta can make team adjustments before facing the official competition.
Coaches experiment more when their teams play in pre-season or friendly matches, young players get more playing opportunities so that coaches can assess their abilities. Coaches also often tinker with formations while the match is still in progress, the aim being to test the players' abilities when placed in different positions. The result of the match is not the main goal of the coach when his team plays in pre-season matches, he prefers to review the depth of his squad and also find new talents from young players.
Facing Arsenal is a challenge in itself for Leverkusen, but the coach will still not take this match seriously. The line up will still be dominated by young players and supplemented by several senior players, the coach does not want to take risks in friendly matches, maintaining the fitness of the players is much more important than forcing them to play, if an injury occurs it will be very detrimental to the club.

You might be right that Leverkusen will take the match against Arsenal lightly. And it has potential. Because the Leverkusen coach would certainly not want any key player in his squad to suffer an injury in pre-season matches. That would be too risky for Leverkusen. So Leverkusen will certainly perform very cautiously.

But Xabi Alonso will certainly want to test the strength of his squad. It remains to be seen if this squad is as strong as last season. Since the Bundesliga champions are now the Leverkusen team. So naturally, Leverkusen will want to dominate the Bundesliga next season as well. So Xabi Alonso will take all the necessary steps to find out the weaknesses of the squad.
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There's no doubt that Leverkusen performed well last season. After a long time, the Bayern Munich team lost their dominance in the Bundesliga. However, I don't think Leverkusen will dominate the Bundesliga this season as they played well last season. Serie A side Napoli were champions in the 22-23 season, but performed very poorly in the 23-24 season. So I would say Xabi Alonso has to be very careful this season.
Bayer Leverkusen can't be that bad next season but I believe they can never be seen as the Bayer Leverkusen of 3-4 seasons back, what I mean is that they are one of the big boys in the German league and their games will attract attention more because of how they carry the game and how they performed by dominating one of the strongest of all time Bayern Munich.
Imagine Alonso repeating the same thing by making it difficult for Bayern Munich, I think that would be the end because it only shows that Munich have lost that strength of getting back that glory and Leverkusen is a worthy champions but I can't say it will because even Dortmund are also getting ready to over shine Bayern Munich and the current Champions Bayer Leverkusen.
In Serie A I think is something that always happens when a team win the title they become useless the next season with a very poor performance and you'd be tempted to ask if this was the team that won the league or is there something wrong somewhere? I think is only when Juventus was in their prime that they won their league title severally without doing bad the next season but for Bundesliga I think it will be a different show, Bayer Leverkusen can still retain the title, even if they don't I believe they won't play very bad like Napoli did in the Serie A.

I will be happy if the Leverkusen team continues this great performance next season. Because for 12-13 long years we always saw the dominance of Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga. And before the start of the season we knew that Bayern Munich would be the champions of the Bundesliga. And all the other teams were only playing for Champions League qualification. But Leverkusen's impressive performances last season broke Bayern Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga. After a long time we got to see a new champion team in the Bundesliga.

Xabi Alonso has played the most important role behind this overall change of Leverkusen. Hopefully the Leverkusen team will perform better with the help of Alonso in the next season as well. If the team can perform consistently well in Leverkusen, it will be very difficult for Bayern Munich to win the title next season. And the Bundesliga will also become very competitive.
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I can't wait for Bayern Leverkusen to meet Arsenal in the pre-season,where we will see the likes of Arsenal legend Granit Xhaka play against his former team, Arsenal.I know Leverkusen are very good,and this kind of test is what Arsenal needs to see whether they are improving or Leverkusen will flog them.Well,in my opinion,I think that match against those two clubs are very good,therefore they will  share points.
We know that Arsenal will not let any team win them in the pre-season, therefore,if Arsenal cannot win,they will try to get a draw.

This is a big game between two big clubs and I expect that we’ll see the best out of this match, it’s going to be a very tough one. Xhaka left Arsenal to become a legend in Bayern Leverkusen leading them to win their first ever trophy of the Bundesliga. They’re all gearing up for the next season because it’s going to be a very tough one for both sides. They’ll both be playing in the champions league next season, so I expect that they give each other a tough time before a win comes out from this match. I will put them on the same level, so I think the match will just be even and the best out of them will take the win.
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I can't wait for Bayern Leverkusen to meet Arsenal in the pre-season,where we will see the likes of Arsenal legend Granit Xhaka play against his former team, Arsenal.I know Leverkusen are very good,and this kind of test is what Arsenal needs to see whether they are improving or Leverkusen will flog them.Well,in my opinion,I think that match against those two clubs are very good,therefore they will  share points.
We know that Arsenal will not let any team win them in the pre-season, therefore,if Arsenal cannot win,they will try to get a draw.
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However, FC Duren is indeed a team that is quite troublesome for Bayern Munich and even though they are in a lower caste in Germany, their efforts to avoid a crushing defeat are worthy of our appreciation. Unlike FC Rottach who are always the target of Bayern Munich, they are much stronger to be able to dampen every Bayern Munich attack.

Regardless of all that, this is only a pre-season match and at least Bayern Munich is quite ready for the Bundesliga next season with all the possibilities. What is clear is that their opponents will be much more difficult than the pre-season teams they face and again Vincent Kompany is challenged to be able to provide an ideal game for Bayern Munich.
It's too soon to say anything about Kompany yet, these are not serious games and the team could have these kind of results, but it would definitely be good for morale if we end up with something much better before the season starts. The point of playing against a much weaker team during friendly games is that you end up playing awesome, you see how it feels when all goes according to plan, that way you trust the plan and you know the strategy and you look for the same thing on the real games when they start.

However, if you end up missing all that, and you end up with a tie like this, it instils fear and doubt into the players about the tactic and the strategy. This is why I  do not think that it makes sense for anyone to have this kind of result, I am not really planning on doing anything stupid and just say it didn't matter neither, it didn't matter much, but it wasn't zero neither, I believe it was definitely something that could be done eventually. What I think is the case here is that we could make it work some other way, it is going to end up with some trouble one way or another and we are going to end up with a lot of issues, it is not going to be all that easy to handle at all.
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Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.
I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.
It is very normal for friendly matches to end with such results. Sometimes the team that is not the favorite can win the match. Bundesliga is a tough league and every team will need to prepare in the best way possible and start the league. In friendly matches, coaches can try different tactics, different formations, different squads, this is very natural. The important thing is not to encounter such surprising results in the real tournament.
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Currently, Nuri Sahin's pressure is actually the same as Kompany where he is a coach who is relatively new to coaching a big club so he must undergo his first season well.
Although we know as a player he is known especially when he was in Madrid but to be a coach and a player it is clear that it has a difference and
Nuri Sahin must be able to make the most of this opportunity because after all, by coaching Dortmund at this time,
it can make the situation in terms of his popularity as a coach can be lifted or even ignored.
I guess that the pressure at Kompany is much bigger as for Nuri Sahin in Dortmund , for sure both have to bring something good on the table in the coming season.
I fully agree that it is a difference when you was a good player and now being a Coach , where you have to proof again that you be can be a good one.
The popularity will be only lifted if he manage the team to work together and win games , all other things goes in the other direction.
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Honestly I expected Bayern to put up another land slide victory even if I know FC Duren is much better if compared to the other team Bayern played against earlier. They will be glad it's pre season games, so kompany will get a better insight from here on what to do and where to best make adjustments so as to fit in the kind of results he's aiming at. It's even a perfect scenario he got a draw immediately after a win so he se quickly how it can look like and what are the things he needs to quickly address as the season is few weeks ahead.

Neither the first convincing win in a friendly nor the second draw means anything, because I didn't see any first team players in the squad (except for a few), so it's just an opportunity for some young players to show themselves to the Kompany and get a chance to play again in official matches, nothing more. Maybe some players (especially those who played at the Euro) are still on vacation and their preparation will only begin, so before judging Bayern's results in friendly matches, it's worth waiting for the official matches, in two weeks they will play a cup match, it will be a clearer picture.


https://bulinews.com/watch-irankunda-scores-bayern-1-1-friendly-draw-duren
It is a preseason preparation match & they are testing newcomer.

I have always said that friendly matches are just way to give the players who does not get good playing time, some playing time so that they can get used to things. It is not and also should not be aware to judge how a team is performing. Because at the end of the day, this is a friendly match and both teams are going to try to experiment in these matches. It is also a way for the coaches to actually figure out which player plays best in which position and with which tactics they might face problems and with which tactics the light at some success.

So I absolutely agree that in a friendly match winning by a huge margin or losing by a huge margin or even a draw does not really mean anything. We will actually have to wait for the competitive matches to know how the new coach is doing with the team.
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Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.
I agree with you but not only to be promoted as a major player and training mentally but also as a second layer player to rotate when facing several competitions.
So that all Bundesliga clubs even any club will also do the same thing, especially big clubs that have plans to pursue the Champions League title.

Young players who managed to have a strong mentality as you said, of course, are also ready to face the pressure of the hood when needed when the main player needs a short break to avoid injury.
The preseason match may not be too serious but for the coaches of each club it is actually very important to see which players have higher mental readiness and have talents that can be relied upon later.
That's right, the pre-season tour is the right way to make various preparations before the official season starts, besides that the pre-season tour also aims to increase the fan base of a club in the areas they visit. This will also give them financial benefits, and managers can do various experiments without any pressure. Regardless of the results they get, I think it's not that important because it can't be used as a complete reference to assess their performance next season. For clubs that experience changes in managerial positions, friendly matches are very important, because they can be a place to test the suitability of the strategy that will be used next season. In general, the pre-season trip can be interpreted as a means to accelerate the adaptation process, build chemistry between players and coaches, after changes occurred within the team due to their movements in the transfer window.
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Honestly I expected Bayern to put up another land slide victory even if I know FC Duren is much better if compared to the other team Bayern played against earlier. They will be glad it's pre season games, so kompany will get a better insight from here on what to do and where to best make adjustments so as to fit in the kind of results he's aiming at. It's even a perfect scenario he got a draw immediately after a win so he se quickly how it can look like and what are the things he needs to quickly address as the season is few weeks ahead.

Neither the first convincing win in a friendly nor the second draw means anything, because I didn't see any first team players in the squad (except for a few), so it's just an opportunity for some young players to show themselves to the Kompany and get a chance to play again in official matches, nothing more. Maybe some players (especially those who played at the Euro) are still on vacation and their preparation will only begin, so before judging Bayern's results in friendly matches, it's worth waiting for the official matches, in two weeks they will play a cup match, it will be a clearer picture.

The match against Duren resulted in a 1-1 draw, but I personally didn't take it too seriously. Because after all, Bayern Munich really has to keep its main players well because if they get injured, then of course it will be a loss later for Bayern Munich. Also, regarding the next two friendly matches Bayern Munich will play against Tottenham and I think, it doesn't matter if that Bayern Munich loses because those are also just friendly matches that are not that important.

But it's strange why they played twice against Tottenham later, because I think once is enough and allows the players to get more rest before entering the new season. But yes, let's just wait and see whether Bayern Munich will prioritize prestige or not. Because if Bayern Munich is concerned about prestige, then playing against Tottenham later maybe Komapny will play his main players to win.
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Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.
I agree with you but not only to be promoted as a major player and training mentally but also as a second layer player to rotate when facing several competitions.
So that all Bundesliga clubs even any club will also do the same thing, especially big clubs that have plans to pursue the Champions League title.

Young players who managed to have a strong mentality as you said, of course, are also ready to face the pressure of the hood when needed when the main player needs a short break to avoid injury.
The preseason match may not be too serious but for the coaches of each club it is actually very important to see which players have higher mental readiness and have talents that can be relied upon later.
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One of the things I'm curious about is what Stuttgart will do in the Champions League. The last time they joined this tournament was the 2009/2010 season. Their biggest success has been to reach last 16 phase.
And the most impressive thing about them is that they were one of the clubs in the relegation zone the previous season, but they won the play-offs and eventually managed to stay in the Bundesliga. And impressively, they really just flew into the runners-up spot, surprising the Bundesliga and everyone, along with Leverkusen who managed to overtake Bayern Munich.

Honestly, whether they can make it even in the group stage or not, at least Stuttgart has made it to the UCL this time, it is a very good achievement. And actually I am personally a bit worried if their performance can be as good and as ready as that in the UCL later, especially since there are currently several of their key players being targeted by other clubs. Not belittling, but just quite worried. But whatever it is, I am sure that they will not give up easily like before. Let's wait what they will set to manage the club.

Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not,
Yes, this may be a benchmark for some players. But not all of them are like that. because this match is not a priority and not all players, especially the main players who will really be optimally very tight to bring out their abilities. Because after all it would be quite worrying if an injury occurs.

while at the Bayern Munich club, this has really happened where Hiroki Ito was injured. And this is what is worried about all the clubs that are undergoing this pre-season match, namely the injury that might befall their players even before their main match takes place.

Source: Bayern-Duren Fallout-Hiroki Ito Injury
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I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.
The only ones who consider pre-season games important are the young players who are brought along on the pre-season tour, they will try to perform at their best to show their talent to the coach in the hope of getting into the main squad. The coach plays more young players in pre-season matches and also new players, he will try to assess the players' abilities and experiment with various strategies. The defeat experienced in the pre-season match is not too painful because there is nothing to fight for after the match, so I think there is no reason for the coach to demand his players to perform optimally like in official matches because if they get injured it will be a disaster for the coach because they lack important players when the new season starts.
Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.
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Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.
I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.
"We should plan and deliver training dose according to the external training load, but we should monitor the athlete's response to that load from the internal responses," said Aaron Coutts, Professor of Sport and Exercise Science.
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Actually, this preseason also has several aspects, but we often only talk about the matches, even though the training menu and so on are part of the preseason which is intended to prepare something for them to undergo a competition. The readiness of the players and so on they must continue to monitor, especially in the approach to each player to create good chemistry. Players and coaches are at the forefront of a team, they must ensure that they have a good relationship that can be created in this preseason session.
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I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.
The only ones who consider pre-season games important are the young players who are brought along on the pre-season tour, they will try to perform at their best to show their talent to the coach in the hope of getting into the main squad. The coach plays more young players in pre-season matches and also new players, he will try to assess the players' abilities and experiment with various strategies. The defeat experienced in the pre-season match is not too painful because there is nothing to fight for after the match, so I think there is no reason for the coach to demand his players to perform optimally like in official matches because if they get injured it will be a disaster for the coach because they lack important players when the new season starts.
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Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.
I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.
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One of the things I'm curious about is what Stuttgart will do in the Champions League. The last time they joined this tournament was the 2009/2010 season. Their biggest success has been to reach last 16 phase.

While losing some important players (Guirassy coming first in the list), they have signed nice players this summer. They are starting directly with the league phase which is a good advantage. But I don't think they will be able to finish it in top 8. Instead I think they would try their luck with the playoff phase by finishing between the positions of 9 and 24. It depends on maintaining their game this season too of course.

Besides it has been a really long time since they last played in the Champions League so it isn't easy to be confident about them for anything.  Sad

Reflecting on other teams that had finished in the top four of the Bundesliga, Union Berlin experienced a decline in performance and even had difficulty maintaining their position like the previous season. With a fairly tight schedule and player material that is not like other big clubs, Union Berlin was finally only able to finish in 15th place.
Referring to Stuttgart, last season Stuttgart was able to exceed our expectations by finishing in 2nd place in the Bundesliga, they were certain to participate in the Champions League and several other competitions. Unfortunately, two of their players left in this transfer window. Although, Stuttgart did not remain silent to bring in replacement players who had left. I can't speculate too far for this one team, as I said for Union Berlin. After going through a good season it will be a challenge for them, especially for coach Sebastian Hoeness.

If you look at them last season, their progress deserves to be appreciated. Finishing in 16th place and having to go through the play-off phase, Sebastian Hoeness' squad was able to perform amazingly and even became runner-up in the Bundesliga. In the new season, the performance of Stuttgart's players will be tested again by participating in several competitions other than the Bundesliga, Sebastian Hoeness must prepare his team, not only the Bundesliga but also the Champions League and other competitions. If they are able to continue to show good performance, it is an extraordinary achievement for the coach and the players.

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