Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 139.

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Quote from: pusaka on October 24, 2024, 09:31:02 AM

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2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.

2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.

The truth is beyond dispute, Bundesliga clubs cannot compare in strength with La Liga teams.
La Liga is always the top league and brings together young stars plus genius coaches. As for the Bundesliga, it's just what I call a 'seed nursery'. They could not keep their mainstays in the team to stabilize the team. In short, this result is not too surprising. Dortmund is too weak to face the giant Real Madrid. And the young coach Vincent Kompany cannot face the experienced coach Hansi Flick.

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Quote from: bitLeap on October 24, 2024, 06:56:13 AM

2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.

2 big Bundesliga teams couldn't do much when facing 1 big La Liga team, yes they had to swallow defeat with a big score, Borussia Dortmund lost 5-2 to Real Madrid and Bayern Munich lost 4-2 to Barcelona. Actually there was no problem with the defeat, because previously this match opened up opportunities for each team to win the match. But what surprised me was when I saw the results of this match. Borussia Dortmund had to swallow their first defeat and Bayern Munich had to taste defeat in the Champions League this season. Clearly this is not a good result in the Champions League, now they have to fight harder if they want to be in the last 16, or at least be in the play-off round.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 23, 2024, 11:51:37 PM

Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

2 Germany giants were defeated by 2 Spanish giants, well that's the big title today that I heard everywhere. And indeed the quality of Bayern Munich now cannot surpass the strength of Barcelona in the hands of Hansi Flick. Hopefully this defeat will not make Bayern Munich weak in the Bundesliga. There is still a chance to improve and Kompany does not need to be discouraged. Bayern Munich in the past made Barcelona submit and now it has been repaid in a painful way too.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on October 22, 2024, 09:10:35 AM

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I agree with you. Both are great strikers and are still productive even though they are in their 30s. Both have great finishing ability and I don't think we need to compare them. Lewi played in Munich's glory days and managed to dominate the Bundesliga. Kane is unlucky because currently Munich does not only have Dortmund as their rival. RB Leipzig and Leverkusen are also solid and even Munich and Kane failed to win a trophy last season. Maybe the only difference between the two is that Lewandowski has a trophy with Munich. I hope Kane will be dominant this season and can get the first trophy in his career.

I also hope the curse of H. Kane can end this season. Bayern Munich has performed quite well in the domestic league, and they are currently topping the Bundesliga. There is a shadow of Leipzig but who both have collected 17 points, Munich is still ahead on goal difference. But I want to believe they stand a very good chance to finish as champions because that shows even if the competition is getting tighter, in a game like this, the winner takes almost everything.

If Kane remains consistent and the team keeps performing as they are now, there's every chance that this could be a different season for Kane. Perhaps the Bundesliga title, that could be the first trophy he has always dreamed of. Because with the quality in the squad at Bayern and their performance up until now, it seems likely that Munich can end the season as champions, and Kane can at last break that curse regarding trophies in his career.

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Quote from: len01 on October 24, 2024, 03:26:06 AM

The only thing I see right now is that there are similarities between last season when Munich was with Tuchel and this season with Kompany. The similarities occur in the very bad defense line, Munich looks to have difficulty when Barcelona makes deadly attacks very quickly but Munich defense looks less confident. Only the defense has been a big problem for Munich since last season and I thought Kompany could overcome it but it turns out that there has been no improvement in this UCL performance.

About the defensive struggles I have to respectfully disagree. Sure yesterday it didn't look good obviously but they only other game this season so far they showed a weak defense was in the Bundesliga at Frankfurt. Ever other game they conceded 1 or 0 goals (except the 9:2 blowout vs Zagreb, but when you score 9 I think letting 2 goals happen is fine, and the 3:2 in Wolfsburg).

I actually thought the game in Barcelona would be a fair fight and maybe a high scoring draw, but man was I wrong. They really looked unprepared somehow. But anyway, 3 UCL games into the season there is nothing to panic about yet, with the new mode there are still enough games left to play.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on October 24, 2024, 03:08:37 AM

IMO it seems like the club management's decision to recruit Kompany was not to compete in the UCL. We know Kompany was not the first coach offered a contract when Tuchel was fired. After several coaches rejected Munich's offer, they finally chose Kompany. Of course Kompany is not an experienced coach with a big team. It seems like the club management gave Kompany a target to win the Bundesliga and not to compete in the UCL. But of course fans will be very disappointed if they fail to finish in the top 8 in the UCL standings.
This defeat is very painful for the Bundesliga because in another match Dortmund also lost 2-5 to Real Madrid. It seems like they are having a hard time competing with teams from La Liga.

I doubt that Kompany only has the task of winning the Bundesliga, for Bayern the Champions League has always been as important as the Bundesliga, or maybe even more important, because winning the Bundesliga has never been a problem for them, and they could fully concentrate on the Champions League. In recent years, everything has changed, the Bundesliga is gradually becoming more competitive, and it is difficult for Bayern to dominate here, plus Bayern are going through changes now, when they could not decide on a coach, I hope Kompany can cope with this situation.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 23, 2024, 11:51:37 PM

Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

The only thing I see right now is that there are similarities between last season when Munich was with Tuchel and this season with Kompany. The similarities occur in the very bad defense line, Munich looks to have difficulty when Barcelona makes deadly attacks very quickly but Munich defense looks less confident. Only the defense has been a big problem for Munich since last season and I thought Kompany could overcome it but it turns out that there has been no improvement in this UCL performance.

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Quote from: Farma on October 24, 2024, 12:15:12 AM

And in my opinion Kompany does not deserve to be in a big team like Munich he lacks experience and so on in his strategy is also not effective in the Champions they can only be in the Bundesliga but I put too high hopes on Kompany but now after this big match I think he is still very lacking on the coach's bench.

IMO it seems like the club management's decision to recruit Kompany was not to compete in the UCL. We know Kompany was not the first coach offered a contract when Tuchel was fired. After several coaches rejected Munich's offer, they finally chose Kompany. Of course Kompany is not an experienced coach with a big team. It seems like the club management gave Kompany a target to win the Bundesliga and not to compete in the UCL. But of course fans will be very disappointed if they fail to finish in the top 8 in the UCL standings.
This defeat is very painful for the Bundesliga because in another match Dortmund also lost 2-5 to Real Madrid. It seems like they are having a hard time competing with teams from La Liga.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 23, 2024, 11:51:37 PM

Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

I think it's all about the mentality built by Kompany who failed to make the Bayern Munich players' mentality better and be able to show their best performance in the Champion League match.
Bayern Munich's defeat against Barcelona was quite surprising because in the last few matches Bayern Munich could win easily but it's different this season and even though Barcelona's performance this season has improved a lot but there are also many problems in the Bayern Munich team so they have to experience this embarrassing defeat.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 23, 2024, 11:51:37 PM

Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

Munich had to admit Barcelona's superiority because Hansi Flick's team played more effectively and was able to take advantage of every opportunity. They are very ambitious to achieve victory after losing to Aston Villa in the previous match, but this time the opponent they are facing is at the peak of its performance and the sharpness of its attack line is also very difficult to stop. Kompany must learn from this defeat so that they can be a team that is better prepared to face challenges from other big teams. Now they have to focus on the away match at Vfl Bochum's headquarters, they must immediately recover from the defeat to maintain their position safe because RB Leipzig who are in second place have also collected the same points as them.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 23, 2024, 11:51:37 PM

Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

Barcelona is indeed quite superior to Munich and now I compare how Kompany and Flick, Kompany is clearly not good and is still immature in the strategy he is running is not effective so they are not controlled and Barcelona shakes their defense easily, clearly here Munich is not good in their defense in the last 3 matches they conceded 7 goals that is a ridiculous defense in my opinion.

And in my opinion Kompany does not deserve to be in a big team like Munich he lacks experience and so on in his strategy is also not effective in the Champions they can only be in the Bundesliga but I put too high hopes on Kompany but now after this big match I think he is still very lacking on the coach's bench.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on October 23, 2024, 05:48:01 PM

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We can't blame Dortmund for this result at all. Real Madrid is known for great comebacks and even when they do not have a good performance at the start of the game they will play in a different way in the second half just like what you saw against Dortmund from Real Madrid.
Dortmund had a perfect start and they could even beat Real Madrid. But you should understand playing against Real Madrid is not the same as the other teams and that's why I still think Dortmund was having a good performance.
The only mistake was from their coach Nuri Şahin when he used Waldemar Anton instead of Bynoe-Gittens.

This is the hallmark of Real Madrid, they have comeback that cannot be imitated and are always watched out for by all team facing them because even though they were behind by few goal in the first half, Real Madrid could still turn things around in the second half and incidents like this happen quite often.
This is Ancelotti greatness in leading his players, he was not in hurry to optimize the players game in the first half but rather defended with several small attacks by observing the opponent game and seeing how the gaps and opportunities could be obtained so that after that the second half was time to attack the opponent as much as possible.
Several big team must always get worried when meeting Real Madrid, even several big Bundesliga team have also felt the greatness of the squad led by Ancelotti several times.

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Bayern Munich has suffered 2 defeats in the Champions League in the 3 matches they have played, the last time they suffered a crushing defeat against Barcelona, even conceding in the early minutes of the match, precisely in just 1 minute Barcelona had broken into Bayern's goal, isn't that very surprising? even I think when everyone was not ready to watch the match but Barca had surprised with that quick goal. Although Bayern Munich were able to equalize in the 18th minute through a goal scored by Harry Kane but Barcelona replied with a 2nd goal in the 36th minute created by Lewandowski and only 9 minutes later Raphael created the 3rd goal and finally in the first half Barcelona was 3 goals ahead and in the second half Barcelona really did not give Bayern Munich a gap in this match and Bayern had to swallow that defeat.

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Quote from: Lafu on October 23, 2024, 11:04:09 AM

Its very sad that Pavlovic got again injured as he was on a good coming back and getting back to his performance.
How he got injured was just unlucky and hopefully he will be recover soon and can come back even stronger then.
Vicente Kompany has enough players for his position so i guess there will be no problem.

Bayern has many injured players at the moment, Jamal Musiala, Sacha Boey, Tarek Buchmann, Hiroki Ito, Josip Stanisic, and the last one, Aleksandar Pavlovic. all those injured are core players which is the mainstay Kompany on Bundesliga and Champion League. I think what Kompany needs to be done immediately is looking for a suitable replacement for them. I don't know if it just replacement or he must also change the formation. Because when I look how they won vs Stuttgart and Lost vs Barcelona last night, Kompany used the same formation which I think can not be effective again with Bayern's situation.

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Quote from: ThemePen on October 23, 2024, 08:26:32 PM

I agree with you Pavlovic injury worried team and fans but he is recovering well. His determination inspires us and I am sure he will come back stronger. Team is stable under Vicente Kompany leadership. This helps Pavlovic recover without extra stress. When Pavlovic returns he will boost team spirit and performance. His experience and skills will be big help and I think he will have a great comeback doing even better than before. So let's hope he will recover sooon and comeback to the team as soon as possible.

Very big influence when Pavlovic suffered an injury and we could see the position not going well when Kompany did rotation. I saw the last match of Bayern Munich when defeated by Barcelona and that showed how inability Kompany was in the face of a big match and they were truly inconvenienced to break the attacks built by Barcelona. Although we have to recognize the percentage of ball possession more dominantly held by Bayern Munich.

Losing a creative midfielder does have an impact on the course of the match even though the position can be filled by other players, but we can see how the form of midfield games in the match and show no chance to produce goals through midfield creativity.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on October 23, 2024, 06:49:55 PM

Indeed all the members of the team and the fans are worried about Pavlovic’s injury, in particular because he is gradually improving in his rehabilitation process. But this is a temporary problem that won’t last long, and with such determination, we are confident that Pavlovic will rise up and recover and from then play even better. Other players in the team of the squad under the leadership of Vicente Kompany gives it stability, so that he can undergo his recovery without extra pressure. This is a great motivator to the team and the fan base for him and we expect that when the time comes for Pavlovic to go back to the field, he will have his best performance and greatly help the team.

I agree with you Pavlovic injury worried team and fans but he is recovering well. His determination inspires us and I am sure he will come back stronger. Team is stable under Vicente Kompany leadership. This helps Pavlovic recover without extra stress. When Pavlovic returns he will boost team spirit and performance. His experience and skills will be big help and I think he will have a great comeback doing even better than before. So let's hope he will recover sooon and comeback to the team as soon as possible.

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This is a very sad news for Bayern Munich and the player himself. No club is ever happy to lose their top talents to injuries. When players who are helping the club win matches get injured, it totally affects the team performances. Unless it is a club that have enough squad dept, but if they don't it will be worse for them especially if the injury is long term. The rate at which players are getting injured now is too much. It wasn't this bad before and I think it's because of the many games that these players are made to play this time around. I wish Pavlović speedy recovery. This news will definitely be a headache for Vicente Kompany, but as every good coach out there, I'm sure he will find a way to navigate through this.

Its very sad that Pavlovic got again injured as he was on a good coming back and getting back to his performance.
How he got injured was just unlucky and hopefully he will be recover soon and can come back even stronger then.
Vicente Kompany has enough players for his position so i guess there will be no problem.

Indeed all the members of the team and the fans are worried about Pavlovic’s injury, in particular because he is gradually improving in his rehabilitation process. But this is a temporary problem that won’t last long, and with such determination, we are confident that Pavlovic will rise up and recover and from then play even better. Other players in the team of the squad under the leadership of Vicente Kompany gives it stability, so that he can undergo his recovery without extra pressure. This is a great motivator to the team and the fan base for him and we expect that when the time comes for Pavlovic to go back to the field, he will have his best performance and greatly help the team.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 23, 2024, 01:16:08 AM

Quote from: TelolettOm on October 22, 2024, 06:05:20 PM

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......I wonder if it's a question of mentality for Dortmund or if Real is just so good and shifts 3 gears up in the 2nd half. Guess it's a mix of both, there is no other explanation.
If I lead 2:0 in Madrid and come out of the changing rooms for the 2nd half I have only 1 game plan, put everybody in and around the box, defend like crazy and then maybe try to make a quick counter attack to make the 3:0 dagger and finalize the game. The way they did it is a good example of how to do everything wrong. Cry

Unfortunately, it may be because of both, plus the tactics used by N. Sahin. He replaced Dortmund's goal scorers, perhaps too early and changed his game, who knows what he was thinking, maybe he thought he had really saved with those 2 goals. And also, it's about their defensive arrangement, well, this was bad enough to hold off Real Madrid's attacks during the second half.

Source: Nuri Sahin had a tough time explaining

And not only that, in the Bundesliga too, their position is really not profitable. Previously, Dortmund could be aligned with Bayern Munich and Leverkusen for the top 3 race, but now? Some are increasingly wondering whether this young coach is really the right one for Dortmund's progress?

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Quote from: Egii Nna on October 23, 2024, 04:34:22 PM

RB Leipzig are in a good form, judging from their performance in the game against Liverpool today in the champions league, even though I know they lost the game, but still Liverpool is not in their class, so them losing is what we expected. But coming to consideration that Freiburg is not doing any better than Leipzig, so I can give my self that assurance that Leipzig will be able to get atleast 3 points from this game, which they will be able to stay at the top in the table even if is for 24 hours. Because I know Bayern Munich will never try to lost point against there opponents.

If you mean Leipzig isn't in the same class as Liverpool base off Liverpool been better, i would agree but if its based off them been better then i will say that isn't completely correct as in the game, its clear a side was better than the other but both teams did well literally and i commend Leipzig but Liverpool was better as always , in the Bundesliga, Leipzig can always find their kind and match but in the champions league its totally different.

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Now we can say with complete confidence that this season will not be one-sided and maybe we will see a new champion (Leipzig? anything is possible) or Bayer will retain the title.
Bayern earned 2 points in 4 serious games and in my opinion this is already enough to draw far-reaching conclusions.

Just in case, I will record the current quotes for the title:

Fc Bayern Munich - 1.29

Bayer 04 Leverkusen - 4.50

Rb Leipzig - 13.00

Borussia Dortmund - 25.00

I think Bayern are damn overrated.

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