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Quote from: bering on March 30, 2023, 11:10:42 PM

Frankfurt vs Bochum

Home team is not in the good conditions because they were unable to wins 3 times in a row on Bundesliga and the latest is Frankfurt lose to Union Berlin and Frankfurt target to reach to top 4 are getting hard because they were losing so many points recently even Wolfsburg had a potention to threaten their positions on standings league because Wolfsburg only has 2 difference points below to them

And Frankfurt opponent Bochum cannot be underestimate even this time Frankfurt will faced hard match because Bochum is the team who cannot be defeated by them easily and first meetings has proven Bochum is the team who can makes Frankfurt in trouble because at that time Bochum can wins with 3-0 from Frankfurt

Frankfurt always be performing well at their home ground although they were unable to wins recently but Frankfurt still unbeatable at home since October last year and this time i am sure Frankfurt will able to bounce back through this match and earn 3 points from Bochum and as a host i can see Frankfurt as the favourite and the bookie provide odds @1.53 for them

There is no doubt that even though they have had minor results in several of their matches, Frankfurt's chances of being able to win this time are very large. Bochum is a team at the bottom and I think there is no obstacle for Frankfurt to beat them. Moreover, playing at home has emotional support from the fans and if Frankfurt manages to secure 3 points at home it will be very helpful to continue to stick to Leipzig in the standings. The betting odds with these odds are very convenient, I will add Frankfurt in my multibet later.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 31, 2023, 12:09:24 AM

Considering the strength of Bayern Munich and Dortmund, Bayern Munich is undoubtedly the favorite. But this season the scenario is slightly different. Bayern Munich's performance in the Bundesliga has been somewhat erratic as they are unable to occupy the top spot in the table. And now the top spot in the table is occupied by Dortmund. Dortmund will certainly not want to lose the top spot in the table. Also, the last face-to-face match between these two teams was also a 2-2 draw. Despite Munich being strong, they were unable to win against Dortmund. This is Munich's first match with Tuchel. We all look forward to seeing how Munich will perform with the new coach.

For sure is Bayern Munich on the paper and from the players the favorite , and mostly they are the favorite in every game they playing.
Dont know if Goretzka and Musiala can play in this game with there injuries they got both , if they cant play its good for Dortmund.
And also for sure that this game is pointing the way for Tuchel and its possible when Munich will be lose that there will be shitstorm coming to the Management.
I still believe that Dortmund can get title this year even they maybe will be losing against Munich.

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I don't see Borussia Dortmund winning away to Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena with the kind of intimidating and exploding fans of Bayern chanting singing and backing the their club to win. And with the introduction of Thomas Tuchel as the new manager the of the Bayern side, it became huge mountain to climb for the Dortmund players. Thomas Tuchel is known for his defensive disciplined and and attackingly brilliant and clinical style of play Which will work perfectly well with this Bayern Munich side. Dortmund I know would want to leave with at least a draw in the game but I think it'll be straight win for Bayern

Why you dont see that happend or that it be can happen that Dortmund will win in and against Bayern Munich ?
There was a few games in Munich that nobody has expected a draw from teams that they normaly should be win.
For sure the new coach Thomas Tuchel can have and should have an impact on the team but its a Derby and it has his one rules.

Considering the strength of Bayern Munich and Dortmund, Bayern Munich is undoubtedly the favorite. But this season the scenario is slightly different. Bayern Munich's performance in the Bundesliga has been somewhat erratic as they are unable to occupy the top spot in the table. And now the top spot in the table is occupied by Dortmund. Dortmund will certainly not want to lose the top spot in the table. Also, the last face-to-face match between these two teams was also a 2-2 draw. Despite Munich being strong, they were unable to win against Dortmund. This is Munich's first match with Tuchel. We all look forward to seeing how Munich will perform with the new coach.

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Quote from: Docnaster on March 30, 2023, 05:19:34 PM

I don't see Borussia Dortmund winning away to Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena with the kind of intimidating and exploding fans of Bayern chanting singing and backing the their club to win. And with the introduction of Thomas Tuchel as the new manager the of the Bayern side, it became huge mountain to climb for the Dortmund players. Thomas Tuchel is known for his defensive disciplined and and attackingly brilliant and clinical style of play Which will work perfectly well with this Bayern Munich side. Dortmund I know would want to leave with at least a draw in the game but I think it'll be straight win for Bayern

Why you dont see that happend or that it be can happen that Dortmund will win in and against Bayern Munich ?
There was a few games in Munich that nobody has expected a draw from teams that they normaly should be win.
For sure the new coach Thomas Tuchel can have and should have an impact on the team but its a Derby and it has his one rules.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on March 30, 2023, 04:32:29 PM

Tomorrow we will get back to the continuation of the bundesliga after the 1 week halt due to the international break.
Of course what is awaited is Bayern who will host Dortmund in tomorrow's game. In the end the speculations that have been discussed over the past few days will play out and I can't wait for this. Let's hope this match is the same as the expec bayern itself has a very big probletations I've been expecting in the past few days.

It must be the biggest test for tuchel consider it will be tuchel's debut with bayern. Im thinking about the draw is going to be the result between bayern and dortmund. Dortmund in disadvantage by playing away against bayern. Dortmund under edin terzic is so aggressive against its opponent.
The win against bayern will become a key match for dortmund. This will be greatly boosting mentality from dortmund's players to win bundesliga this season. It will be so good to see that bayern's domination for a decade will be ended this year if dortmund will able to win the match in the der klassiker that will come soon.

The most awaited match in bundesliga to determine the winner of this season. If dortmund will able to win against bayern and im sure that if that will be giving so many bad effects to bayern started from:

- Tuchel will be blamed by all of bavarians.
- Players will be started to distrust him
- The gap becomes even bigger.

There will be so many impact to the bayern if the club will lose against dortmund.

I hope that dortmund will be winning the match against bayern.

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Quote from: dezoel on March 19, 2023, 04:23:09 PM

Bayern Munich is big club now here no one care about Robert Lewandowski because he is past, and they are looking for the future which is clearly bright because they are having few good players under their radar and few changes surely will bring better change in this squad for the next season.

Are you sure nobody cares about Robert Lewandowski? So let me ask you this:

how many goals did bayern score in today's game? I'm only seeing 1 goal. now try to remember in the times of Robert Lewandowski how many they scored. you will see that bayern since losing Robert Lewandowski are not the same team, they still haven't got a good replacement for Robert Lewandowski, just see that this season bayern runs the risk of not even being able to win the bundesliga

a team is only strong when it has the best players, when a strong team loses its best players it stops being strong and starts to fall. well, we'll see who will be the champion this season, the other teams like dortmund have a chance, they just need to be consistent

Yes, obviously you are right, but here the important thing is the club, not a single player, for me Lewa lost a lot of level by going to a club like Barcelona, not because he is not a Barcelona fan, but simply because they were playing with Bayern in the UCL and not in the Europa League (not anymore) but in the same way settling for winning the League is not a bad thing, it is significant, but with Bayern I am sure that Lewa would be shining much more, Bayern is now in a Great road, what Bayern is doing now is very good, for me it will be the one that will win the Bundesliga.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 28, 2023, 11:59:58 AM

As this is Tuchel's first match as a coach. He will not want to lose in the first match. However, Bayern Munich will play against one of the strongest teams in the league. Dortmund will not want to lose the top spot in the table. This match is challenging for Tuchel. Bayern Munich desperately need full points against Dortmund. But after taking charge of the team, some time is also required to adapt to the players. If Tuchel applies a new match strategy in this match, it will not be easy for the squad players to adapt to it. And so it will be very difficult for Bayern Munich to get 3 points from this match.

Tuchel doesn't need much time to condition his squad with training patterns and strategies. Munich has a greater chance of winning in its new coach's debut. but the fight will be very strict. Both teams want to maintain the top spot in the standings. In the previous meeting, Dortmund was held to a 2-2 draw at home to Dortmund. and now Munich will play at the home of course Munich doesn't want to drop points. Moreover, this is the debut match for his new coach.

As for me, I don't think Munich will lose, this team has their eyes set on what they want, the fact that they have changed a somewhat controlversial coach comes as a bit of a surprise to everyone, especially the fans. from Bayern, but I'm sure they won't be disappointed and it will be a complete success when they play, it's also the debut of a new coach, and Tuchel obviously won't want to lose and also Bayern really wants to show again that they are the best in the Budensliga and in the UCL, Tuchel is in charge of directing them to that horizon.

Thomas gets tough! Tuchel kicks Leroy Sane on the bum and holds one-on-one talks with the winger during his first training session as Bayern Munich boss... with £55m ex-Man City star reportedly struggling in Germany

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Tuchel was appointed on Friday after the reigning German champions took the shock decision to sack Julian Nagelsmann.

The former Chelsea, PSG and Borussia Dortmund oversaw training for the first at the club’s Sabener Strasse base on Tuesday.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11911685/Thomas-Tuchel-kicks-Leroy-Sane-bum-day-Bayern-Munich-head-coach.html

I know many Bayern fans and they all are regretting the fact that he left, and if they could bring him back then they would give up any other Bayern player to get him back. Also I’m not sure that Tuchel will get instant success, because this is a very competitive league and he barely has had any time to find his best 11 hence I wouldn’t put any unnecessary expectations on him so early on in his Bayern career.

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Quote from: rozak on March 30, 2023, 11:13:57 PM

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Apart from Bayern Munich vs Dortmund, a few other matches catch my eye. Freiburg vs Hertha berlin is a match that could be important for both teams.Hertha berlin does not want to be relegated and has to get points from this match.There is no point difference between them and their rivals and every team is at risk.Freiburg will need to maintain their position in the top 4 in order to qualify for the champions league next year.A difficult match awaits us for both teams.Although freiburg is shown as the favorite because it is the home team, I cannot say that it is the favorite of the match because hertha berlin is in a very difficult situation.

there was no other choice but to win for Freiburg. if they lose then their position in the standings can be disrupted. This match is indeed quite important for both teams, Hertha Berlin also needs points to get away from the relegation zone. Hertha Berlin's situation is not much different from last season. they haven't improved yet. and the big chance actually still belongs to Freiburg to win this match.

Talking about the match between Bayern Munich and Dortmund, this match will be very competitive. Because Bayern Munich's performance in the Bundesliga is the best, but Dortmund's team has a great performance. However, in this match, Bayern Munich team is more likely to win.

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Quote from: execijutiere on March 30, 2023, 05:25:25 PM

Apart from Bayern Munich vs Dortmund, a few other matches catch my eye. Freiburg vs Hertha berlin is a match that could be important for both teams.Hertha berlin does not want to be relegated and has to get points from this match.There is no point difference between them and their rivals and every team is at risk.Freiburg will need to maintain their position in the top 4 in order to qualify for the champions league next year.A difficult match awaits us for both teams.Although freiburg is shown as the favorite because it is the home team, I cannot say that it is the favorite of the match because hertha berlin is in a very difficult situation.

there was no other choice but to win for Freiburg. if they lose then their position in the standings can be disrupted. This match is indeed quite important for both teams, Hertha Berlin also needs points to get away from the relegation zone. Hertha Berlin's situation is not much different from last season. they haven't improved yet. and the big chance actually still belongs to Freiburg to win this match.

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Frankfurt vs Bochum

Home team is not in the good conditions because they were unable to wins 3 times in a row on Bundesliga and the latest is Frankfurt lose to Union Berlin and Frankfurt target to reach to top 4 are getting hard because they were losing so many points recently even Wolfsburg had a potention to threaten their positions on standings league because Wolfsburg only has 2 difference points below to them

And Frankfurt opponent Bochum cannot be underestimate even this time Frankfurt will faced hard match because Bochum is the team who cannot be defeated by them easily and first meetings has proven Bochum is the team who can makes Frankfurt in trouble because at that time Bochum can wins with 3-0 from Frankfurt

Frankfurt always be performing well at their home ground although they were unable to wins recently but Frankfurt still unbeatable at home since October last year and this time i am sure Frankfurt will able to bounce back through this match and earn 3 points from Bochum and as a host i can see Frankfurt as the favourite and the bookie provide odds @1.53 for them

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Quote from: execijutiere on March 30, 2023, 05:25:25 PM

Apart from Bayern Munich vs Dortmund, a few other matches catch my eye. Freiburg vs Hertha berlin is a match that could be important for both teams.Hertha berlin does not want to be relegated and has to get points from this match.There is no point difference between them and their rivals and every team is at risk.Freiburg will need to maintain their position in the top 4 in order to qualify for the champions league next year.A difficult match awaits us for both teams.Although freiburg is shown as the favorite because it is the home team, I cannot say that it is the favorite of the match because hertha berlin is in a very difficult situation.

I don't think the Freiburg vs Hertha match will be competitive. The match is definitely important for both teams. Hertha wants to get out of the relegation zone. But I don't see any improvement in their performance. The team's performance has been erratic since the start of the season. On the other hand, the performance of the Freiburg team is quite stable. They have lost only 5 matches this season. Dortmund, who are at the top of the points table, have also lost 6 matches. So I don't think Freiburg will lose against Hertha. But there is a small chance of the match being a draw.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 19, 2023, 06:49:28 PM

Quote from: dezoel on March 19, 2023, 04:23:09 PM

Bayern Munich is big club now here no one care about Robert Lewandowski because he is past, and they are looking for the future which is clearly bright because they are having few good players under their radar and few changes surely will bring better change in this squad for the next season.

Are you sure nobody cares about Robert Lewandowski? So let me ask you this:

how many goals did bayern score in today's game? I'm only seeing 1 goal. now try to remember in the times of Robert Lewandowski how many they scored. you will see that bayern since losing Robert Lewandowski are not the same team, they still haven't got a good replacement for Robert Lewandowski, just see that this season bayern runs the risk of not even being able to win the bundesliga

a team is only strong when it has the best players, when a strong team loses its best players it stops being strong and starts to fall. well, we'll see who will be the champion this season, the other teams like dortmund have a chance, they just need to be consistent

Yes, obviously you are right, but here the important thing is the club, not a single player, for me Lewa lost a lot of level by going to a club like Barcelona, not because he is not a Barcelona fan, but simply because they were playing with Bayern in the UCL and not in the Europa League (not anymore) but in the same way settling for winning the League is not a bad thing, it is significant, but with Bayern I am sure that Lewa would be shining much more, Bayern is now in a Great road, what Bayern is doing now is very good, for me it will be the one that will win the Bundesliga.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 28, 2023, 11:59:58 AM

As this is Tuchel's first match as a coach. He will not want to lose in the first match. However, Bayern Munich will play against one of the strongest teams in the league. Dortmund will not want to lose the top spot in the table. This match is challenging for Tuchel. Bayern Munich desperately need full points against Dortmund. But after taking charge of the team, some time is also required to adapt to the players. If Tuchel applies a new match strategy in this match, it will not be easy for the squad players to adapt to it. And so it will be very difficult for Bayern Munich to get 3 points from this match.

Tuchel doesn't need much time to condition his squad with training patterns and strategies. Munich has a greater chance of winning in its new coach's debut. but the fight will be very strict. Both teams want to maintain the top spot in the standings. In the previous meeting, Dortmund was held to a 2-2 draw at home to Dortmund. and now Munich will play at the home of course Munich doesn't want to drop points. Moreover, this is the debut match for his new coach.

As for me, I don't think Munich will lose, this team has their eyes set on what they want, the fact that they have changed a somewhat controlversial coach comes as a bit of a surprise to everyone, especially the fans. from Bayern, but I'm sure they won't be disappointed and it will be a complete success when they play, it's also the debut of a new coach, and Tuchel obviously won't want to lose and also Bayern really wants to show again that they are the best in the Budensliga and in the UCL, Tuchel is in charge of directing them to that horizon.

Thomas gets tough! Tuchel kicks Leroy Sane on the bum and holds one-on-one talks with the winger during his first training session as Bayern Munich boss... with £55m ex-Man City star reportedly struggling in Germany

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Tuchel was appointed on Friday after the reigning German champions took the shock decision to sack Julian Nagelsmann.

The former Chelsea, PSG and Borussia Dortmund oversaw training for the first at the club’s Sabener Strasse base on Tuesday.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11911685/Thomas-Tuchel-kicks-Leroy-Sane-bum-day-Bayern-Munich-head-coach.html

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Apart from Bayern Munich vs Dortmund, a few other matches catch my eye. Freiburg vs Hertha berlin is a match that could be important for both teams.Hertha berlin does not want to be relegated and has to get points from this match.There is no point difference between them and their rivals and every team is at risk.Freiburg will need to maintain their position in the top 4 in order to qualify for the champions league next year.A difficult match awaits us for both teams.Although freiburg is shown as the favorite because it is the home team, I cannot say that it is the favorite of the match because hertha berlin is in a very difficult situation.

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Both Teams are hyped for the coming game on the weekend , and i guess there is nothing more to say about it.
I guess that this time Dortmund will win this match against Bayern Munich even there will be not much goals scored.
I expect a 2 : 1 win for Dortmund.

The score was the same as the first meeting except that at that time it was Bayern who won. But in this match I really hope a lot for Tuchel's debut, especially in this match can also be a reference whether Tuchel can be considered worthy or not even though it is only the first match.
Dortmund are their rivals apart from position, there is also prestige to pay attention to so I don't expect Tuchel to lose this game.

In my opinion, Tuchel deserves to be the coach of the Bayern Muchen team because we know that Tuchel is very experienced, so even though this weekend's game will be his first debut with Bayern Muchen, it is possible that Bayern players can quickly adapt to the strategy implemented by Tuchel, in the match later, there is a possibility that Tuchel will apply his flagship formation 3-4-2-1 to close the space for opposing players and strengthen the defensive area of the Bayern Muchen team so that they are not easily penetrated. Previously, Naglesman himself had used this formation several times while playing, so with Tuchel I'm sure the Bayern players won't be pressured by this formation.

I don't see Borussia Dortmund winning away to Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena with the kind of intimidating and exploding fans of Bayern chanting singing and backing the their club to win. And with the introduction of Thomas Tuchel as the new manager the of the Bayern side, it became huge mountain to climb for the Dortmund players. Thomas Tuchel is known for his defensive disciplined and and attackingly brilliant and clinical style of play Which will work perfectly well with this Bayern Munich side. Dortmund I know would want to leave with at least a draw in the game but I think it'll be straight win for Bayern

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When I look at this week's fixtures, I see that there are some good matches.Especially the battle between the two teams in the championship race is perhaps one of the most important matches of the season.Exactly more or less this match is important for both teams.Bayern Munich has the advantage of playing at home and is shown as the heavy favorite. The point difference between them is 1 but everything will change after this match. Bayern Munich, who lost the 1st place to Dortmund with the defeat last week, will want to take back the leadership. When we look at the last matches between them, we can see that the matches are always won by Bayern Munich. I am aware that there are always plenty of goals in the matches between them and both teams can easily score goals against each other, so a mutual goal bet makes a lot of sense.

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Tomorrow we will get back to the continuation of the bundesliga after the 1 week halt due to the international break.
Of course what is awaited is Bayern who will host Dortmund in tomorrow's game. In the end the speculations that have been discussed over the past few days will play out and I can't wait for this. Let's hope this match is the same as the expectations I've been expecting in the past few days.

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Quote from: zuzie on March 30, 2023, 11:14:27 AM

The same, I was think Bayern Munich maybe fight more for their chances in the Bundesliga
It's not easy to win the Champions League, Bayern's current situation doesn't support fighting over the two because the competition is so intense, they have to sacrifice one of them. The player's condition can be disrupt if the player is too pushy

I also think that for Bayern Munich this season, they have to focus on one of them to get a trophy because Bayern Munich are thinking of two big trophies at once this season with their current condition. Of course it will be very burdensome for them to achieve this, especially in the Champions League Bayern Munich have to face a strong team from the Premier League whose chances are very difficult to predict. But in the Bundesliga Bayern Munich only needs to outperform Dortmund to get back to the trophy this season.

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Perhaps the Bayern players will show us a very good game, since they often had conflicts with Negelsmann, they can be positive about his dismissal. Moreover, they are always very strong at the Allianz Arena. I would look at the Bayern over 2 goals bet, I have not yet looked at what the odds will be for this bet, but I think that Bayern will show productive football. I'm sure they will quickly regain the first place.

Yes, especially after Negelsmann was replaced by Thomas Tuchel as the new manager of Bayern Munich and this will be his debut match against Borussia Dortmund at the Allianz Arena, it will be the assessment of all supporters playing as hosts later and this match will also have a big impact on the standings. Dortmund, who are at the top of the standings, are only one point ahead of Munich. I think munich have to win this match to overtake Dortmund at the top of the standings. Wink

I would guess that the first game is as important as any for the managers and this one is highly the most anticipated one of them all. This will decide the league basically, obviously there are more games to go but that doesn't mean that we should not be expecting it to be easy for either side, because both sides are very strong so far in the season and looks like there could be some changes for sure.

I personally believe that the best thing to do would be making a bet on both sides to score, I can see both sides scoring this game, don't know who will win but I do not think that the teams will end the game goalless, and it will be multiple goals to end the game.

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Quote from: terrorJR on March 30, 2023, 03:06:22 PM

Quote from: Lafu on March 30, 2023, 06:57:07 AM

Both Teams are hyped for the coming game on the weekend , and i guess there is nothing more to say about it.
I guess that this time Dortmund will win this match against Bayern Munich even there will be not much goals scored.
I expect a 2 : 1 win for Dortmund.

The score was the same as the first meeting except that at that time it was Bayern who won. But in this match I really hope a lot for Tuchel's debut, especially in this match can also be a reference whether Tuchel can be considered worthy or not even though it is only the first match.
Dortmund are their rivals apart from position, there is also prestige to pay attention to so I don't expect Tuchel to lose this game.

In my opinion, Tuchel deserves to be the coach of the Bayern Muchen team because we know that Tuchel is very experienced, so even though this weekend's game will be his first debut with Bayern Muchen, it is possible that Bayern players can quickly adapt to the strategy implemented by Tuchel, in the match later, there is a possibility that Tuchel will apply his flagship formation 3-4-2-1 to close the space for opposing players and strengthen the defensive area of the Bayern Muchen team so that they are not easily penetrated. Previously, Naglesman himself had used this formation several times while playing, so with Tuchel I'm sure the Bayern players won't be pressured by this formation.

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Quote from: bct_ail on March 30, 2023, 02:42:15 PM

If a team is fighting against relegation and there have been no successes for a long time, then the coach is changed. That is common knowledge and expected. But the fact that a team that is playing at the top sacks its coach 9 matchdays before the end says a lot about the club. Bayern Munich is all about performance and winning. And always they say they are a family....ridiculous.

Bayern Munich are a very big team and they have a lot of competition to play and with the current performance its only proper they changed their coach because finishing the season with a good performance really matters and more over they are sitting second already in the league table which they need to secure the first position if they really need to be the league champions and they definitely need to change their gameplay because Borrusia Dortmund are really in their top form. Am just surprise though of the odd these bookmakers gave to Dortmund to win that game but since its a new coach maybe they might produced a good result.

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Quote from: Lafu on March 30, 2023, 06:57:07 AM

Both Teams are hyped for the coming game on the weekend , and i guess there is nothing more to say about it.
I guess that this time Dortmund will win this match against Bayern Munich even there will be not much goals scored.
I expect a 2 : 1 win for Dortmund.

The score was the same as the first meeting except that at that time it was Bayern who won. But in this match I really hope a lot for Tuchel's debut, especially in this match can also be a reference whether Tuchel can be considered worthy or not even though it is only the first match.
Dortmund are their rivals apart from position, there is also prestige to pay attention to so I don't expect Tuchel to lose this game.

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