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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 22, 2022, 01:52:17 PM

When Mane was brought here first I thought that they were thinking of signing a striker as well. In the end Mane is not a striker and he wasn't playing like that for Liverpool too. But interestingly they didn't even look for any striker before the end of the transfer window. This was a really bad management by Bayern Munich board. They literally risked this season for the team. They are being punished for this really hard in the Bundesliga these days.

Nagelsmann must have a clear mind about his future because this isn't his fault at all.

Mane performance on Bayern actually isn't so bad because he can able to score goals several times although not for each matches but at least he can adapt quickly but the most problem is people always be comparing him to Lewandowski so this is the biggest problem for him because during his career Mane was never became an top scores in the different league because his is more likely not the finisher and about his arrival to Bayern i think it's not Nagelsmann fault only because this also Mane fault when he made decision moved to Bayern Mane has just made a mistakes to his career

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I also think Bayern Munich still have the best chance of winning the title despite their poor form. Because if Munich can return to form, they will win all the matches consistently and occupy the top spot in the table. But I fear, if Union Berlin is able to continue their streak then it won't be easy for Bayern Munich to win the title. Not only is Union Berlin at the top of the points table, but their performance is also excellent right now. They scored 15 goals in 7 matches and conceded only 4 goals. Union Berlin now has the strongest defense in the league. If the defense can keep this strong, Union Berlin will be able to maintain the top spot on the table for a long time.

I think genie just granted my Bundesliga wish Grin

. I am excited with Bayern's current 5th position on the table. And the distance between Union Berlin and them - 5points. It's no longer business as usual. Now there is some competition and the league is no longer boring. The only fear I have now is that if they drop a spot on the table Julian Nagelsmann may be fired just like what happened to Thomas Tuchel.

Obviously this is interesting because it is very rare to see a position in the Bundesliga as it is now.
This is what I expect from the real Bundesliga but indeed even if Bayern's chances of winning are still undeniable but I hope their condition like this will continue so that competition continues in this case, because of course with things like this and with Bayern's position at the bottom obviously provide something interesting.

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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.

Based on Bayern's results - they are not that bad, especially the beginning of the season was crazy when it became clear that they can score goals even without Robert Lewandowski... Now after such a great start Bayern have slowed down a bit because they also have to play in Champions League... But I still think they are in great shape!

This is definitely not a successful start for them as they have been winning the title for the last decade. Furthermore, it is true that the absence of Robert Lewandowski has obviously had some impact on the ratio of goals scored by the team as a whole. At the moment it seems like they do not have a prolific goal scorer on their team. There is no doubt that the team is good. But based on the performance, that does not seem to be the case at all.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 22, 2022, 02:34:31 PM

Yes, this is an unusual season and there is a possibility that we will see some unexpected champions in the European championships - for example Roma or Udinese in Italy Grin

But I doubt that this is possible in the Bundesliga. No matter how bad Bayern play, all competitors will play even worse and less consistently. In some segments they can show good results, but in general they are untenable.

We can also see a different situation in the Bundesliga and right now Union Berlin is making a progress, but I think we are still starting and in the early stage of the season so there could be a shift of pace between every team, but comparing the team play right now we can not see an elaborate consistency right now because some teams are just adjusting with the said changes,

Quote from: shogun47 on September 22, 2022, 06:11:26 PM

There are reasons for and against your argument. Bayern scored 19 goals in 7 games, which is the top rank in the Bundesliga. I don't know whether it is just a striker who is missing right now. They aren't create enough when they come close to the box. Now they have so many agile players that it is shocking how they lack ideas to crack the opponents' defense.

When you say that Bayern has no problem with their defense, I am not so sure about that. It is not a bad defense, but they are not as solid as they used to be in some of the past seasons. The opponents know that Bayern is making mistakes at times and if you then defend solidly against Bayern and have that one lucky shot (like Augsburg), you can take it home against them.

Bayern gets under pressure when they don't score early. They need to fix that and not lose patience when a game has 90 minutes.

The man Lewandowski is sure a tough guy to not be pressured by every game in the Bundesliga but in my opinion, Lewandowski have left a big hole for the team, I really think that Nagelsmann's strategy was all pertaining for Lewandowski, and not compatible with the previous team now, that is why there are so many mistakes and Sadio Mane is still coping up to all of that change because he has a different position now than he usually have on his previous team there is a lot of pressure for each player for the Bayern Munich, that surely see a big mistakes with their play,

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Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

Yes, that's true, and every team at this time must be able to polish and train the existing players in order to be able to support the team's performance before next year or while this season is still rolling and not finished. Because now is the time to develop the best strategy for the game in the match and also forget about buying new players because the transfer window has long been closed.

That is why many teams are still finding it difficult to perform well in this season, because some of their new players they signed into the team don't really understand their old players tactics yet. I think, with time all those new players will understand their old players tactics, so that it will enable them to improve the team in a way that they will remain unbeatable until they achieve the title. If other teams can get it right before the end of the season to demonstrate well, I think, Bayern Munich will definitely get it right to demonstrate well, because Sadio mane is fully ready to help the team to improve higher in this season.

I think that making Mane a replacement for Lewandowski would not be right because after all, they also have very different bodies. If previously Lewandowski was used as a target on the attack line with a tall body, then Mane can be used as a distractor and a feeder with a body like that, of course, Mane has better speed. But if Mane is target and/or players who are just waiting for a pass, then Mane will lose the aerial duel by the opposing defender. But indeed, height is not a problem because many attackers who do not have height are expected to be successful like Messi for example, but Messi himself is not a target man.

I was sure from the start that Mane would have a hard time playing as a target man, because Mane is typically more effective as an inside forward.
which Mane will dribble from the wings and enter the opponent's defense area. From there Mane can provide assist or direct shots. Because when
he played at Liverpool, Mane often played as an inside forward. Therefore, Bayern have struggled to score goals since losing Lewandowski, because
Mane is not suitable to replace Lewandowski. Because the transfer market has closed Bayern can maximize the available players.

I think Thomas Muller or Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting can be played as target men, even Nagelsmann can give Mathys Tel a chance. In conclusion
Bayern's poor performance in the Bundesliga, it is because Nagelsmann has not found a suitable player to replace Lewandowski. Nagelsmann
should not have forced Mane to play in the center forward position if it proved ineffective, Nagelsmann must dare to give opportunities to other
players or even Nagelsmann must improvise by changing playing strategies. Because if in October there was no improvement in Bayern's
performances there was a possibility of Nagelsmann being sacked, now Nagelsmann's position is not safe in my opinion.

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Quote from: Tony116 on September 22, 2022, 06:53:44 PM

I also think Bayern Munich still have the best chance of winning the title despite their poor form. Because if Munich can return to form, they will win all the matches consistently and occupy the top spot in the table. But I fear, if Union Berlin is able to continue their streak then it won't be easy for Bayern Munich to win the title. Not only is Union Berlin at the top of the points table, but their performance is also excellent right now. They scored 15 goals in 7 matches and conceded only 4 goals. Union Berlin now has the strongest defense in the league. If the defense can keep this strong, Union Berlin will be able to maintain the top spot on the table for a long time.

I think genie just granted my Bundesliga wish Grin

. I am excited with Bayern's current 5th position on the table. And the distance between Union Berlin and them - 5points. It's no longer business as usual. Now there is some competition and the league is no longer boring. The only fear I have now is that if they drop a spot on the table Julian Nagelsmann may be fired just like what happened to Thomas Tuchel.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on September 22, 2022, 11:17:18 PM

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Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

Yes, that's true, and every team at this time must be able to polish and train the existing players in order to be able to support the team's performance before next year or while this season is still rolling and not finished. Because now is the time to develop the best strategy for the game in the match and also forget about buying new players because the transfer window has long been closed.

That is why many teams are still finding it difficult to perform well in this season, because some of their new players they signed into the team don't really understand their old players tactics yet. I think, with time all those new players will understand their old players tactics, so that it will enable them to improve the team in a way that they will remain unbeatable until they achieve the title. If other teams can get it right before the end of the season to demonstrate well, I think, Bayern Munich will definitely get it right to demonstrate well, because Sadio mane is fully ready to help the team to improve higher in this season.

I think that making Mane a replacement for Lewandowski would not be right because after all, they also have very different bodies. If previously Lewandowski was used as a target on the attack line with a tall body, then Mane can be used as a distractor and a feeder with a body like that, of course, Mane has better speed. But if Mane is target and/or players who are just waiting for a pass, then Mane will lose the aerial duel by the opposing defender. But indeed, height is not a problem because many attackers who do not have height are expected to be successful like Messi for example, but Messi himself is not a target man.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 22, 2022, 10:43:11 PM

Bayern needs to use all of its resources until the transfer season will be opened again.

All clubs have to use available resources before having any new supplementary resources from either winter or summer transfer.

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So far sadio mane has been giving good performance with bayern. The only problem is the attacker seems not able to be the same as its midfielder and defensive players.

Sadio Mane has good start in first few matches with three goals but then his performance decreases. So far, he has zero goal in the past five matches for Bayern. Moreover, he does not get enough connections with other players and tactics of Bayern. It is more important issue for Mane. I guess he misses Liverpool and regrets about his decision to leave The Kop a lot.

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It seems like that bayern need a pure striker just like lewandowski. This can be done when the transfer season will be opened again but it will take a quarter waiting for that to come.

What team don't need Lewandowski who is a world class striker?

However, Bayern wanted to make changes in their tactics by buying Mane. They wanted to have a more energetic attacking system and I think they will continue with that. By the way, let's give Mane more patience and time. He is a good player and it is too soon to say he fails in Bayern.

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Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

Yes, that's true, and every team at this time must be able to polish and train the existing players in order to be able to support the team's performance before next year or while this season is still rolling and not finished. Because now is the time to develop the best strategy for the game in the match and also forget about buying new players because the transfer window has long been closed.

That is why many teams are still finding it difficult to perform well in this season, because some of their new players they signed into the team don't really understand their old players tactics yet. I think, with time all those new players will understand their old players tactics, so that it will enable them to improve the team in a way that they will remain unbeatable until they achieve the title. If other teams can get it right before the end of the season to demonstrate well, I think, Bayern Munich will definitely get it right to demonstrate well, because Sadio mane is fully ready to help the team to improve higher in this season.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 22, 2022, 06:12:39 PM

Quote from: Velvet78 on September 22, 2022, 01:52:17 PM

When Mane was brought here first I thought that they were thinking of signing a striker as well. In the end Mane is not a striker and he wasn't playing like that for Liverpool too. But interestingly they didn't even look for any striker before the end of the transfer window. This was a really bad management by Bayern Munich board. They literally risked this season for the team. They are being punished for this really hard in the Bundesliga these days.

Nagelsmann must have a clear mind about his future because this isn't his fault at all.

Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

Bayern needs to use all of its resources until the transfer season will be opened again. So far sadio mane has been giving good performance with bayern. The only problem is the attacker seems not able to be the same as its midfielder and defensive players.
It seems like that bayern need a pure striker just like lewandowski. This can be done when the transfer season will be opened again but it will take a quarter waiting for that to come.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 22, 2022, 06:12:39 PM

Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

Yes, that's true, and every team at this time must be able to polish and train the existing players in order to be able to support the team's performance before next year or while this season is still rolling and not finished. Because now is the time to develop the best strategy for the game in the match and also forget about buying new players because the transfer window has long been closed.

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World cup is getting closer guys and Bayern had almost all the players into national team or even all of them so it's kinda normal for some players to stay low as we saw what happened with Reus and poor guy, he always had problems with injuries before tournaments. So even if Bayern is not in full power , they have plenty of time to get back on track but World Cup on winter never happened before ...just saying...is a big factor for all big teams who are having national players in their squad.

Yes, this is an unusual season and there is a possibility that we will see some unexpected champions in the European championships - for example Roma or Udinese in Italy Grin

But I doubt that this is possible in the Bundesliga. No matter how bad Bayern play, all competitors will play even worse and less consistently. In some segments they can show good results, but in general they are untenable.

I also think Bayern Munich still have the best chance of winning the title despite their poor form. Because if Munich can return to form, they will win all the matches consistently and occupy the top spot in the table. But I fear, if Union Berlin is able to continue their streak then it won't be easy for Bayern Munich to win the title. Not only is Union Berlin at the top of the points table, but their performance is also excellent right now. They scored 15 goals in 7 matches and conceded only 4 goals. Union Berlin now has the strongest defense in the league. If the defense can keep this strong, Union Berlin will be able to maintain the top spot on the table for a long time.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 22, 2022, 01:52:17 PM

When Mane was brought here first I thought that they were thinking of signing a striker as well. In the end Mane is not a striker and he wasn't playing like that for Liverpool too. But interestingly they didn't even look for any striker before the end of the transfer window. This was a really bad management by Bayern Munich board. They literally risked this season for the team. They are being punished for this really hard in the Bundesliga these days.

Nagelsmann must have a clear mind about his future because this isn't his fault at all.

Sadio Mané Adi Liverpool that I know is in the left wing position, if they force Sadio Mané to the attacker's line, it is not necessarily they can do it, whereas if Bayern Munich wants to look for new players again then they can get it in January next year because the players Currently it is closed.

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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.

I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.

No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on. Cheesy

Defense doesn't seem like a problem for them though, it looks like Bayerns biggest trouble right now seems like it is the offense and I understand why it could be like that when you have such a great scorer gone, that means it is going to be a bit of a problem.

I understand that you may imagine defense could be part of it and we can't say Lewandowski as "only" reason, but we can say it is the biggest reason. That team never had to rely on anyone else for scoring, it has been so many years since Lewa played for them and they had a tactic in place, working amazingly for them. That is why we could consider him the biggest reason, and defense having a bit of a role in there too, but a smaller one.

There are reasons for and against your argument. Bayern scored 19 goals in 7 games, which is the top rank in the Bundesliga. I don't know whether it is just a striker who is missing right now. They aren't create enough when they come close to the box. Now they have so many agile players that it is shocking how they lack ideas to crack the opponents' defense.

When you say that Bayern has no problem with their defense, I am not so sure about that. It is not a bad defense, but they are not as solid as they used to be in some of the past seasons. The opponents know that Bayern is making mistakes at times and if you then defend solidly against Bayern and have that one lucky shot (like Augsburg), you can take it home against them.

Bayern gets under pressure when they don't score early. They need to fix that and not lose patience when a game has 90 minutes.

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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.

I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.

No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on. Cheesy

Defense doesn't seem like a problem for them though, it looks like Bayerns biggest trouble right now seems like it is the offense and I understand why it could be like that when you have such a great scorer gone, that means it is going to be a bit of a problem.

I understand that you may imagine defense could be part of it and we can't say Lewandowski as "only" reason, but we can say it is the biggest reason. That team never had to rely on anyone else for scoring, it has been so many years since Lewa played for them and they had a tactic in place, working amazingly for them. That is why we could consider him the biggest reason, and defense having a bit of a role in there too, but a smaller one.

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Quote from: boltz on September 21, 2022, 05:49:20 PM

World cup is getting closer guys and Bayern had almost all the players into national team or even all of them so it's kinda normal for some players to stay low as we saw what happened with Reus and poor guy, he always had problems with injuries before tournaments. So even if Bayern is not in full power , they have plenty of time to get back on track but World Cup on winter never happened before ...just saying...is a big factor for all big teams who are having national players in their squad.

Yes, this is an unusual season and there is a possibility that we will see some unexpected champions in the European championships - for example Roma or Udinese in Italy Grin

But I doubt that this is possible in the Bundesliga. No matter how bad Bayern play, all competitors will play even worse and less consistently. In some segments they can show good results, but in general they are untenable.

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Quote from: Davian144 on September 22, 2022, 02:11:36 AM

It's not just about having quality players at Bayern Munich, it's also about more games yet to be played this season so Bayern Munich in general still has a chance to catch up with some of the teams that are already top of the table at this point. After all, the number of points Bayern Munich has with several teams in the standings at this time is not so much that it is still easier for Bayern Munich to catch up.

I think many are expecting Bayern Munich to make a catch-up with the leader on the standing and that is Union Berlin, it is too early to say that Union Berlin will be the champion and the next to be like Bayern Munich, there are still a lot of matchdays to have and I think right now Bayern Munich might be readying some new formation for their certain players to be more familiar with, but if Nagelsmann still insist of giving the part to Sadio Mane, then the result will still be the same, but I could also be wrong here,

Quote from: bekti3 on September 22, 2022, 04:36:24 AM

It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.

Lewandowski doesn't want to be in Bayern Munich anymore, and the one that decided to leave, Bayern Munich just complied with what Lewandoski wants, because it is not worth it to keep a player that doesn't want to be part of the team anymore, I think it is still a great decision now that Lewandowski is gone to the team, then they will realize their mistakes and what Bayern Munich truly lack because for me Bayern Munich is relying so much to Robert Lewandowski, and all of Nagelsmann's strategy was for Lewandowski,

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When Mane was brought here first I thought that they were thinking of signing a striker as well. In the end Mane is not a striker and he wasn't playing like that for Liverpool too. But interestingly they didn't even look for any striker before the end of the transfer window. This was a really bad management by Bayern Munich board. They literally risked this season for the team. They are being punished for this really hard in the Bundesliga these days.

Nagelsmann must have a clear mind about his future because this isn't his fault at all.

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Quote from: Minecache on September 22, 2022, 12:58:55 PM

We cannot compare Sadio Mane with Robert Lewandowski. The two play completely different styles. Robert Lewandowski was a regular scorer. He could score a lot of goals. With the help of the midfielders, he maintained his dominant performance. Sadio Mane on the other hand is a very talented and experienced player. There is no doubt about it. But he was never a regular scorer like Robert Lewandowski. He did not score many goals or assists in the Liverpool team. However, Liverpool's performance in his presence was very stable. As Bayern Munich signed Mane as a replacement for Robert Lewandowski. So I would say he will never be a suitable replacement for Robert Lewandowski. Bayern Munich management must add one more striker to the squad.

100% agree. Sadio mane is a reliable player at wing but as a striker he doesn't holds much experience. I have doubts when Bayern came out and indicated that they won't be signing any striker in previous window. But now feels like that they need a striker more than ever. If they want to go with Mane then they have to give him time to adjust to his new role otherwise getting new striker in next window is the only option next to it.

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It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.

The Bayern Munich party who chose to sell Lewandowski was not a unilateral decision from his team, but also the decision of Lewandowski himself who no longer wanted to stay at Bayern Munich for this season. So the deal to sell him to Barcelona is a good thing and it's not wrong at all because Bayern Munich can still get good results this season if they are able to play consistently in every game they have left.

Agreed about this was purely Robert Lewandowski decision not to stay here in Bayern Munich and management done good and sold him to Barcelona because if one player is not interested then you never take risk with him if you are able to have good replacement and same happen in this case even right now they are not bad in performance but surely missing magic which was done by Robert Lewandowski in last many seasons with Sadio Mané is currently under adjustment which is taking time more than expected, but things could be under control and if they fail to have their desired results than surely we are going to have changes in coming transfer window because they will not take long time for having their required targeted players to be in this team for better results.

We cannot compare Sadio Mane with Robert Lewandowski. The two play completely different styles. Robert Lewandowski was a regular scorer. He could score a lot of goals. With the help of the midfielders, he maintained his dominant performance. Sadio Mane on the other hand is a very talented and experienced player. There is no doubt about it. But he was never a regular scorer like Robert Lewandowski. He did not score many goals or assists in the Liverpool team. However, Liverpool's performance in his presence was very stable. As Bayern Munich signed Mane as a replacement for Robert Lewandowski. So I would say he will never be a suitable replacement for Robert Lewandowski. Bayern Munich management must add one more striker to the squad.

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