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Quote from: tiCeR on November 14, 2024, 11:59:23 PM

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By and large, of the two issues (the fight for the title and the fight for a ticket to the Champions League), only one remains: the fight for a ticket to the Champions League. Everything is quite simple, there is nothing to rack your brains about. Bookmakers estimate Dortmund's chances of making it to the top 4 as 2.10, i.e. close to 50%. Considering that there is a high probability that the Bundesliga will get 5 tickets to the Champions League, as in the last season, Dortmund's chances are not bad.

KTChampions correct me if I am wrong, but to me it looks that there are only 4 tickets to the Champions League. See here in the table at the bottom, it says that 1st to 4th will only qualify for the Champions League and there is no country that has 5 starting spots. I don't know for sure, but to me it looks like 4th is the cut-off.

I believe that this is going to be hard for Borussia Dortmund. They are not underperforming temporarily, they are having big problems within the team that I think cannot be solved just like that. There are several teams that I think will be ahead of Borussia Dortmund.

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For the 2025–26 UEFA Champions League, the associations are allocated places according to their 2024 UEFA association coefficients, which takes into account their performance in European competitions from 2019–20 to 2023–24.[3] The table reflects Russia's ongoing suspension from UEFA.

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Now we just check who got into this season's Champions League based on the results of last season: Bayern, Bayer, Leipzig, Dortmund, Stuttgart. Similarly, Italy has 5 participating teams.
It is believed that at the end of this season, England will most likely enter the top 2 and receive an additional ticket, but for the remaining spot, in my opinion, Germany will be able to compete with Italy.
Theoretically, one country can have 7 teams in the group stage of the Champions League. To do this, you need to be in the top 2 in the rating + clubs from this country must win the Champions League and the Europa League, but finish below 5th place in the national championship.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 03:05:33 PM

Leverkusen are really a huge disappointment this season. After a dream run I wasn't expecting them to have the exact same performance once again of course. It would be a way extra work to do for even the best European team.

However seeing them struggle this much was also not my expectation. Sad

Collecting only 17 points in 10 games is a quite poor job if you still want to be competitive for the Bundesliga title. They draw very often and get away more from the top every week.

Do you wait for a comeback by them? Honestly my opinion is that this season will finally be Kane's. Bayern Munich should be able to become champions.

There is no hope and no disappointment, because basically Bayer Leverkusen is not a team capable of continuing to be a title candidate. Because after all, in Bayer Leverkusen's best season last season too, the fact is that Bayer Leverkusen still failed in the Europa League final. Thus, Bayer Leverkusen's failure this season for me is a natural result to happen. Moreover, when it comes to the Bundesliga then of course there will always be Bayern Munich to be the team to win the trophy. Thus, it is not surprising that this season Bayern Munich is back at the top of the Bundesliga table because at least, no other team in the Bundesliga is able to maintain its good performance from season to season other than Bayern Munich.

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With the break underway, we can easily look at all the teams, seems like there isn't any team missing games, they all equally played 10 games, so we can now easily say that Bayern Munich will win the league. I get that it may not feel like that because it was close, but the gap grew and now it's five points. Leipzig did a good job hanging in there as close as possible, but with a loss and then followed that with a draw, suddenly they got five point gap when Bayern ended up winning both of those games.

If you want to beat Bayern, then you need to end up with a better result as well, and you need to keep winning, the moment you have back to back bad weeks, Bayern will use that as advantage and put a gap between you. The gap is two games now, and I do not think that Bayern will have 2m ore bad games than Leipzig for the remainder of the season, which is proof that we are not going to end up with anyone but Bayern win the league this season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 15, 2024, 03:05:33 PM

Leverkusen are really a huge disappointment this season. After a dream run I wasn't expecting them to have the exact same performance once again of course. It would be a way extra work to do for even the best European team.

However seeing them struggle this much was also not my expectation. Sad

Collecting only 17 points in 10 games is a quite poor job if you still want to be competitive for the Bundesliga title. They draw very often and get away more from the top every week.

Do you wait for a comeback by them? Honestly my opinion is that this season will finally be Kane's. Bayern Munich should be able to become champions.

Honestly, I don’t expect much from Leverkusen this season because the team management and the coach didn’t look like they wanted same performance as last season that is why they didn’t attempt to sign quality players during the January transfer window.

Towards the end of last season, their performance was not as good as they started the season with because they do drop some points or even win or draw matches after coming from behind, and that same performance caused them the Europa League final; so I was expecting the management to sign new players to keep the momentum, but they failed to that, and since their style and patter of playing has been noticed, they can’t perform well this season unless they sign more players or change that’s pattern.

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The results have not been the best from Alonso's side recently. In the last five matches, his men have been able to win only once. And they have 4 draws. The good thing is they have not lost but this is not going to be good enough if Die Werkself wants to successfully defend the title.

As you have written at least Leverkusen havnt lost one of the last 5 games in the german league and the 4 draws are better as nothing.
Alonso have the quality players that is needed to beat other big teams in the german league and also in the Champions League.
But the other teams dosnt sleep and this season they know how Leverkusen is playing , also Leverkusen has not the luck anymore as they got last season.

Sure. It’s obvious Leverkusen are not lucky compared to last season, and I think this shows that Bayer Leverkusen cannot keep a long-term consistency like other big teams that have been performing for like 2 or 3 seasons have been doing because I was thinking they would be able to dominate the Garman League this season again, but unfortunately they failed to do that. They are not in good form like last season, which is obvious, and there were last season matches that they won only 1 that drew 4. I think that if no use, they would have won all the matches. I think that would be better, but they failed to do that.

It is not much of a surprise to me that Leverkusen’s performance has dropped and they are not able to keep their great form like last season. Leverkusen really performed more people expectations last season and people are expecting them to keep to the form but I feel they were a little bit lucky last season and that was reason everything was going so well for them last season.

Before this season started, I would have said that it was likely Leverkusen would not maintain their last season form bec this has happened in many different leagues before, and those teams were unable to maintain their form. For example, Leicester City won the Premier League in England some season back, but their performance dropped significantly in the second season. Similar cases have been seen with other teams that seemed lucky based on their efforts.

The truth is that most of the players Leverkusen is using now are exhausted from the work they put in last season. If Leverkusen had signed more quality players to strengthen the team, it’s very possible that their they will maintain their last performance.

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Leverkusen are really a huge disappointment this season. After a dream run I wasn't expecting them to have the exact same performance once again of course. It would be a way extra work to do for even the best European team.

However seeing them struggle this much was also not my expectation. Sad

Collecting only 17 points in 10 games is a quite poor job if you still want to be competitive for the Bundesliga title. They draw very often and get away more from the top every week.

Do you wait for a comeback by them? Honestly my opinion is that this season will finally be Kane's. Bayern Munich should be able to become champions.

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Quote from: Lafu on November 15, 2024, 12:31:55 PM

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The results have not been the best from Alonso's side recently. In the last five matches, his men have been able to win only once. And they have 4 draws. The good thing is they have not lost but this is not going to be good enough if Die Werkself wants to successfully defend the title.

As you have written at least Leverkusen havnt lost one of the last 5 games in the german league and the 4 draws are better as nothing.
Alonso have the quality players that is needed to beat other big teams in the german league and also in the Champions League.
But the other teams dosnt sleep and this season they know how Leverkusen is playing , also Leverkusen has not the luck anymore as they got last season.

Sure. It’s obvious Leverkusen are not lucky compared to last season, and I think this shows that Bayer Leverkusen cannot keep a long-term consistency like other big teams that have been performing for like 2 or 3 seasons have been doing because I was thinking they would be able to dominate the Garman League this season again, but unfortunately they failed to do that. They are not in good form like last season, which is obvious, and there were last season matches that they won only 1 that drew 4. I think that if no use, they would have won all the matches. I think that would be better, but they failed to do that.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on November 15, 2024, 11:08:09 AM

It is obviously going to be very hard for Alonso's squad to compete against really big opponents when Alonso does not have the quality players that he needs to beat those teams. I think we all agree that he definitely does not have those kinds of players. And I am not sure about one thing. We all are expecting him to take up the job in Real Madrid when there is a vacancy for a coach. Alonso should take it if there is an opportunity. But the way he seems to concentrate in the Bundesliga will he actually take the job if he has the chance? Maybe I am just overthinking.

The results have not been the best from Alonso's side recently. In the last five matches, his men have been able to win only once. And they have 4 draws. The good thing is they have not lost but this is not going to be good enough if Die Werkself wants to successfully defend the title.

He didn't had players that were "better" last season neither but he won, the point of Xabi Alonso getting offers from some of the great teams is because he managed to do a lot with very little and he was expected to do the same thing here again. I am not saying that he can, I am just saying that that's what he did. Expecting him to do the same thing twice in a row made no sense of course, he couldn't really do that well, we were talking about a manager who did the unthinkable once already, he went 51 or 52 games unbeaten and that was with Leverkusen, so it's really not that possible for him to make that work somehow neither, things do not really change much and we shouldn't really be considering that as possible at all.

Bayern will do fine this year, will win, and we need to consider this as normal, shouldn't really be putting too much attention to it. Xabi is still good, just because he isn't great like last season, doesn't mean he is suddenly bad, he is doing great for Leverkusen level players.

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Quote from: hahay on November 13, 2024, 03:09:20 PM

About the bad results that Dortmund got this season, maybe this season will make other teams succeed in finishing in the Champions League zone this season. Because it seems, Eintracht Frankfurt from season to season also has a good effort even though it still fails to survive in the top four. But at least, Eintracht Frankfurt always manages to be in the upper zone in the standings, although not in the top four, but at least Eintracht Frankfurt always manages to finish in the top ten in the last few seasons. Thus, maybe with the slump experienced by Dortmund this season will provide a good chance for other teams especially about Eintracht Frankfurt to be able to finish in the top four. But even so, I also still believe that Dortmund could rise quickly maybe in the second half of the season.

Seriously, Dortmund's performances are not really up to people's expectations. They are performing below their standard. With the set of players Dortmund has, I don't expect them to be performing like this. Before the season started, I thought Dortmund would be among the top two teams fighting for this season's Bundesliga trophy. But with the way they are performing currently, I don't even think they can make the top four easily.

In fact, both in the Bundesliga and Champions League competitions, their performances is not stable. When Dortmund started the Champions League this season, they were winning games by large margins, but recently their performances have dropped. If Dortmund can put in more effort, things will definitely change, as many matches have not been played yet.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 14, 2024, 04:24:42 PM

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Since Harry joined Bayern Munich were thought he could win the Bundesliga title and other than winning the title we were thinking he could win many other achievements like becoming the top scorer of the season because of his performance. Harry Kane has always been the first and best forward for Bayern Munich since he joined this team.
Now it seems he should race with Marmoush the player of Eintracht Frankfurt. Recently he scored another goal against Mainz and now Marmoush scored 11 goals same as Kane in the Bundesliga so far.

Last season Kane had the highest goal in the bundesliga, he's hasn't won the bundesliga title but he's has gotten some individual awards which I consider a good one, because as it regards winning the bundesliga title, he cannot do it all alone, hes got team mates whose support he needs to get that done but if the support isn't equating his efforts, he cannot be blamed completely so winning some personal or Individual awards clearly shows hes doing well anyways.

Last season, Bayern Munich failed to win the Bundesliga because Xabi Alonso was in better shape, and Tuchel was unable to improve Bayern Munich's performance, causing them to finish in second place last season, and everyone knows that Harry Kane tried his hardest to win the Bundesliga trophy last season but did not get the opportunity, but he did win the Golden Boot, but this season, I believe they are in good form and will do their best to win the title without making Leverkusen won it last time.

Xabi Alonso is not like last season, because I believe some of the guys he played with previously are no longer with the club, making it tough for them to win some games. With how Bayern Munich is playing this season, I don't believe any club will be able to overtake them because they are in better shape. Even Dortmund, who usually perform and compete with them, is not doing well this season; they are having a poor league performance but are attempting to compete in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 15, 2024, 05:40:48 AM

Borussia Dortmund is an example of a club that cannot utilize their potential very well, so they have to fight even harder to be in the top 4 of the current standings. In fact, in terms of ability, they are actually very capable of being the best in the Bundesliga, but they do not utilize it and instead they prioritize their business over achievement. Management must change their habits if they want to see Borussia Dortmund become champions. Look at their very loyal supporters, but they never present what the fans want. This is important, because achievement is actually something that should be the main priority, especially since they are very capable of it.

This is proof that football is not just a sport, but also a profitable business. For Dortmund, business may be the best because the club's finances are in trouble, so Dortmund buys young players at a low price, gives them a chance to play and then sells them at a high price. Dortmund actually wants to be champions every year, but they also understand that selling players is one way to maintain the club's sustainability.

So that until now Dortmund is known as a club that is good at bringing in talented players at a very young age to become profitable commodities in the future. On the one hand, Dortmund deserves a thumbs up because they can find young talents from all over the world who will later become star players. But the bad thing is that they continue to fail to win trophies, and this season Dortmund is really down, maybe because of the new coach and I'm sure they can rise so that at the end of the season they still finish in the top 4 of the Bundesliga.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on November 15, 2024, 12:49:10 PM

Borussia Dortmund have a lot of loyal supporters but they don’t in fact represent what the supporters are to them. They are always selling their best players and are after the money they’ll get from that rather than prioritizing their achievements and good records in the league over other things. If they don’t change this attitude of theirs, they’ll get it really hard to catch up with other teams in the league every season. When this season started, I knew they may face difficulty at some points because they’ve sold some of their important players that lead them to victory as of last season and are no more in the club today. They should learn to utilize their opportunities and see what they can add to their record book. Bundesliga should also be one of their major trophies but they don’t seem to look into it and give it more attention.

Sorry but seems like you are another clueless guy. Dortmund ALWAYS tries to extend the contracts of every single player they sold recently. They offered new and better contracts to Haaland, Sancho, Aubameyang, Dembele, Bellingham, and so on. But these players, and their managers, already made up their mind to do the next step to a bigger team. These teams not only offer a better chance to win, but also more money. So what can Dortmund do??
People writing nonsense like BVB only wants to sell their best players to earn money really have no clue about this team. These guys only read some headlines but probably never any local German football news. Because if you knew what's actually real you wouldn't write something like this.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 15, 2024, 05:40:48 AM

Borussia Dortmund is an example of a club that cannot utilize their potential very well, so they have to fight even harder to be in the top 4 of the current standings. In fact, in terms of ability, they are actually very capable of being the best in the Bundesliga, but they do not utilize it and instead they prioritize their business over achievement. Management must change their habits if they want to see Borussia Dortmund become champions. Look at their very loyal supporters, but they never present what the fans want. This is important, because achievement is actually something that should be the main priority, especially since they are very capable of it.

Borussia Dortmund have a lot of loyal supporters but they don’t in fact represent what the supporters are to them. They are always selling their best players and are after the money they’ll get from that rather than prioritizing their achievements and good records in the league over other things. If they don’t change this attitude of theirs, they’ll get it really hard to catch up with other teams in the league every season. When this season started, I knew they may face difficulty at some points because they’ve sold some of their important players that lead them to victory as of last season and are no more in the club today. They should learn to utilize their opportunities and see what they can add to their record book. Bundesliga should also be one of their major trophies but they don’t seem to look into it and give it more attention.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on November 15, 2024, 11:08:09 AM

The results have not been the best from Alonso's side recently. In the last five matches, his men have been able to win only once. And they have 4 draws. The good thing is they have not lost but this is not going to be good enough if Die Werkself wants to successfully defend the title.

As you have written at least Leverkusen havnt lost one of the last 5 games in the german league and the 4 draws are better as nothing.
Alonso have the quality players that is needed to beat other big teams in the german league and also in the Champions League.
But the other teams dosnt sleep and this season they know how Leverkusen is playing , also Leverkusen has not the luck anymore as they got last season.

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Xabi's scheme, which seems to be the same in every match, makes this a little easy for opponents to anticipate. Last season they were quite superior because maybe there was a situation where their confidence was more awake but for this season even with the same scheme and the majority of the same players as before but the difference is the pressure now that makes Leverkusen a little faltered in the paraphrase.

Although it cannot be denied that until now they have only suffered 1 defeat but 4 draws in the last 5 matches in the Bundesliga make it even more difficult for them to catch up with points especially when looking at the opponents faced actually it can be enough to be used as 3 points for them but instead only 1 point is owned.

Xabi needs to work more now if he still wants to keep trying but it seems that this season too Xabi wants to hone his skills to be more sensitive in matters of rotation and balance of players because if in the end Xabi's focus is only on the Bundesliga, maybe now he can play better, it's just that Xabi wants to be like before with the Champions League as a new target which is a problem that is actually very difficult for clubs with the quality of players who are still below the big clubs and regulars in the Champions League.

It is obviously going to be very hard for Alonso's squad to compete against really big opponents when Alonso does not have the quality players that he needs to beat those teams. I think we all agree that he definitely does not have those kinds of players. And I am not sure about one thing. We all are expecting him to take up the job in Real Madrid when there is a vacancy for a coach. Alonso should take it if there is an opportunity. But the way he seems to concentrate in the Bundesliga will he actually take the job if he has the chance? Maybe I am just overthinking.

The results have not been the best from Alonso's side recently. In the last five matches, his men have been able to win only once. And they have 4 draws. The good thing is they have not lost but this is not going to be good enough if Die Werkself wants to successfully defend the title.

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Quote from: Tony116 on November 15, 2024, 05:14:56 AM

Dortmund is not in a good rhythm this season. Since the beginning of the season, we have seen inconsistent performances from Dortmund. Even getting into the top four of the table is very difficult for Dortmund this season. Frankfurt and Leipzig's overall performance is more organized and strong compared to Dortmund.

I think Dortmund's main weakness is their defense. Dortmund has conceded 18 goals in 10 matches. Leipzig has conceded only 5 goals in 10 matches. Although Frankfurt has conceded 16 goals, Frankfurt's attacking line-up is very strong. If Dortmund's coach cannot strengthen his squad's defense, Dortmund has no chance of getting into the top four of the table.

Borussia Dortmund is an example of a club that cannot utilize their potential very well, so they have to fight even harder to be in the top 4 of the current standings. In fact, in terms of ability, they are actually very capable of being the best in the Bundesliga, but they do not utilize it and instead they prioritize their business over achievement. Management must change their habits if they want to see Borussia Dortmund become champions. Look at their very loyal supporters, but they never present what the fans want. This is important, because achievement is actually something that should be the main priority, especially since they are very capable of it.

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Dortmund has almost never been consistent in the Bundesliga and lastly in the previous two seasons where they almost managed to come out as champions, but because in the last match they drew, Bayern Munich managed to come out as champions. This season is not so consistent for Dortmund because they do not have the ability to compete with Bayern Munich or Leipzig so I really doubt Dortmund's ability this season can be much better. The most realistic target is to pursue the top three positions and maybe they can do that like the previous few seasons and for the target of being a champion I think it is still very unlikely that they will be able to achieve it.

For Dortmund, the most important task has always been to reach the Champions League, I think that for them this is the minimum task that they must definitely accomplish. They pay a lot of attention to this tournament in order to show their players and sell them to other teams. Now Dortmund is only one point away from the Champions League zone, I think that they will be careful not to let teams in this zone go too far.

Dortmund is not in a good rhythm this season. Since the beginning of the season, we have seen inconsistent performances from Dortmund. Even getting into the top four of the table is very difficult for Dortmund this season. Frankfurt and Leipzig's overall performance is more organized and strong compared to Dortmund.

I think Dortmund's main weakness is their defense. Dortmund has conceded 18 goals in 10 matches. Leipzig has conceded only 5 goals in 10 matches. Although Frankfurt has conceded 16 goals, Frankfurt's attacking line-up is very strong. If Dortmund's coach cannot strengthen his squad's defense, Dortmund has no chance of getting into the top four of the table.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 14, 2024, 04:17:42 PM

Since Harry joined Bayern Munich were thought he could win the Bundesliga title and other than winning the title we were thinking he could win many other achievements like becoming the top scorer of the season because of his performance. Harry Kane has always been the first and best forward for Bayern Munich since he joined this team.
Now it seems he should race with Marmoush the player of Eintracht Frankfurt. Recently he scored another goal against Mainz and now Marmoush scored 11 goals same as Kane in the Bundesliga so far.

Last season Kane had to compete with Guirassy and now Kane has to compete with Marmoush. But whatever happens I believe that Kane will still be a player who has a large number of scores as long as he performs consistently. There is no doubt how Kane can always be a finisher in every match with his intelligence in finding the right place to score easily. And unfortunately what Kane actually hopes for is not a big score but the title he wants. And hope Munich can get the title this season.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 14, 2024, 04:24:42 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 14, 2024, 04:17:42 PM

Since Harry joined Bayern Munich were thought he could win the Bundesliga title and other than winning the title we were thinking he could win many other achievements like becoming the top scorer of the season because of his performance. Harry Kane has always been the first and best forward for Bayern Munich since he joined this team.
Now it seems he should race with Marmoush the player of Eintracht Frankfurt. Recently he scored another goal against Mainz and now Marmoush scored 11 goals same as Kane in the Bundesliga so far.

Last season Kane had the highest goal in the bundesliga, he's hasn't won the bundesliga title but he's has gotten some individual awards which I consider a good one, because as it regards winning the bundesliga title, he cannot do it all alone, hes got team mates whose support he needs to get that done but if the support isn't equating his efforts, he cannot be blamed completely so winning some personal or Individual awards clearly shows hes doing well anyways.

Not only in the Bundesliga but before that he was in the English Premier League and even in the English Premier League he was always first or second in the top goal scorer list but despite scoring so many goals he still could not win the league title or any major title. When he switched teams from the English Premier League to Bayern Munich, we thought that maybe his dream of winning his first title for Bayern Munich would come true, but last season, Bayern Munich failed to win the title either. Bayern Munich is at the top of the points table this season and another positive point for Bayern Munich is that if the other teams in the league are not in good form, if Bayern Munich players can perform well then they will definitely be the favorite to win the local league title this season.

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Quote from: mammusu on November 15, 2024, 01:37:12 AM

Dortmund have great potential to bounce back if they can perform consistently and no longer trigger mistakes that result in red cards in every game, this season they have faced many challenges after the change of coach made at the beginning of the season and it has not had a positive impact on their current performance, when the era of Edin Terzic and Klopp we could see them have a mentality to rise every time they went down but to be honest this season I haven't seen that happen In the Nuri Sain squad, Dortmund actually has a lot of quality players in their squad but for some reason it seems like they have lost the mentality to be able to be the current title challenger, slumped in the top 7 of the Bundesliga and UCL at the moment, it seems too pessimistic for me to hope that they can get better later with inconsistencies like today.

I am quite optimistic about Dortmund because no matter what changes they make, they can always finish in the top 4 to get a ticket to the Champion League, that's what happened in previous seasons so the same thing is also possible this season.
Dortmund is a team that has a strong mentality, this season's journey is still very long and I think there is still enough time for Dortmund to rise and improve from their current mistakes, for now Dortmund is just unable to maintain the consistency of its performance, that's a common problem in a team but how the coach can fix it is a question mark and for Dortmund I have no doubts.

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