Topic: Get Donator status by donating 10 BTC - page 11. (Read 138661 times)

Inflation has cumulatively run about 8.9% over that time period. So $500 in 2011 would cost about $544 today.

On the other hand, if the 10 BTC that someone may have donated in August 2011 was worth in the $120 range then, and would be worth ~$32,000 today.

I disagree with pegging to fiat because fiat itself is not constant - it mostly devalues over time. The value paid for a certain rank should not get lower over time. E.g. $500 USD in 2011 is worth maybe $800 USD today when priced in terms of groceries or real estate.

It needs an overhaul because the forum is overrun with barely coherent spam. Do you have a better idea how to stop armies of illiterate third world shitposters who have no interest or knowledge of bitcoin other than they can make some money here from having dozens to hundreds of accounts regurgitating the same shit one after the other or copy and pasting content just to bleed poorly run campaigns for all they're worth?


Again, stop repeating this like it's relevant to anything. I'm not advocating paying in fiat. You pay in bitcoin. Pegged to fiat. Can you explain the logical reason why you have to pay in a constantly fluctuating decimal btc value that never changes? It is nonsensical to donate 10-50 bitcoins hence why next to nobody is going to be stupid enough to do it. If those ranks were pegged to fiat then countless people would still be donating today and not complaining about how ridiculous the price is to donate.


It wouldn't need to have been changed if the amount was pegged to fiat. It also hasn't changed because theymos feels it's unfair to those who originally donated. If there were additional ranks then this wouldn't be an issue.

 

Why would having some sort of additional ranks magically make you ripe for scamming? Why aren't you making the same argument for removing forum ranks because Hero and Legendary accounts can use their titles to scam? If people are dumb enough to get scammed because they have donated to get a meaningless title then that's their problem and we can't be expected to babysit every kid here.   


Money is going down the drain because nobody is donating anything so there's nothing to even go down the drain. This forum has just created a monster by having signatures linked to ranks because it has created a black market for account farming and hacked accounts. If you had to donate for a signature then that money would go to the forum instead of some shitposting account farmer or scummy hacker.


What donations? Nobody is donating because of the ridiculous price but it's ad sales not donations that pay the staff.


Haha. Easily. Can it? It's not easy to get campaign managers to do their job (and most crapcoins don't even have a manager). Go tell all the poorly run Alt campaign managers how to run their campaigns and see what response you get. You won't get one because they're too  lazy to run their campaigns in the first place. 9/10 Alt coin campaigns do absolutely nothing about spam and will gladly accept and pay anyone and this includes people with 200 accounts repeating the same crap post after post.


It's not about being persuaded. And It's more than a few thousand dollars. Cheapest rank will currently cost you over £20k right now (sorry am I not allowed to mention the fiat value seeing as this is a bitcoin forum ) .

i think now with 50 btc you can buy the entire forum lol

So you mean to say that we are going to overhaul the system just to make sigs available only to whoever donates?

First, this forum is for bitcoin and not fiat. If you don't like the idea of getting extra perks in your account by donating 10 or 50 bitcoins, then why bother? It's been there for years now and hasn't changed a bit. Again, my argument still stands: lowering down the donation into couple hundreds of dollars would be a cheap gateway for scammers to gain trust and scam people.  Second, the donation isn't going down the drain if that also bothers you; it is used to pay the staffs of the forum plus to keep this forum up and receive further development which is in the works. Third, the sig spam you say can easily be prevented by the managers of these campaign. This forum openly accepts ads to be placed on its pages, but the signature advertising should be handled by their campaign managers to reduce spam. This forum is an avenue for advertising bitcoin-related services to help the ecosystem stimulate (but I agree that it has been a mess ever since signature campaigns allow people to join even if their profile clearly is a mess, no offense).


No one here in this forum has ever persuaded anyone to donate. Most people are paying thousands of dollars for some colorful pixels in games (I'm guilty of that), so why not a few, rich people who can afford it?

Not pegging the donator rank to fiat is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever encountered!

Should I get donator rank on bitcointalk, or should I buy a modest home in a small town in the USA?  I'm pretty sure the original donator members didn't have to make that choice  - it was probably should I get donator rank on bitcointalk or buy my GF a nice dinner.

Lol, c'mon. Seriously? It's nonsensical not to peg it to fiat. Do you really want another situation where it costs tens of thousands to donate (or if the price falls it being much cheaper)? No. The current situation with donator ranks is ridiculous and if it was pegged to fiat then we wouldn't have this problem. Pegging to fiat is the only way to do this and everything here doesn't have to be in a static bitcoin value. Do you buy hardware wallets or anything else in a fixed btc value? No. Pretty much every place you use bitcoin pegs the value to fiat because it's illogical to set a fixed bitcoin price for obvious reasons.

And it will stop account farming if signature sizes are removed from ranks and the only way you can get a signature is to pay for it. It will also stop people having dozens or hundreds of accounts without paying the fee. People farm dozens and in some cases hundreds of accounts because it's absolutely free to do so and this is why we have people botting and farming accounts en mass. They then join lazy alt coin campaigns because they can easily exploit them to rank up their accounts and get paid in the process. If you have to pay $50 or whatever for a signature then these people would be severely restricted in the amount of accounts they can have. It also essentially stops account sales because it would be pointless buying them.

You are in a bitcoin forum, and having some perks from any donation measured on a static fiat value (even if you donated bitcoins) would be nonsensical, might as well create a fiattalk forum too. And again, the donation required to attain these perks wouldn't be lowered in any way as again it could be a cheaper gateway to scam from other users of the forum.

Also, why would lowering the donations restrict account farming in any way? Idk how will it be possible.

I don't think theymos will ever lower the current donator ranks and has previously stated it wouldn't be fair,  but that's not to say there couldn't be additional ranks which would be pegged to fiat. When I initially proposed it he seemed to think it could be a good idea but I've brought it up several times recently with no response which is a shame because I think it could severely restrict or even stop account farming if bigger signatures were included in the perks.

It was a thread started by me on May or June of 2015, somewhere along those lines. I haven't found it yet but if you look into a few pages of this post back in 2013-2015, you can see that some people already have requested to lower down the donation or just peg it to the USD. Some members are concerned that accounts with such status can be used to scam others since they seem to be 'trustworthy' just because they have those titles in their name.

Do you have the actual quote of this? Was he talking about the current Donator/VIP ranks or new additional ones? I don't think that just because somebody might take advantage of them to scam is a good enough reason. People can already buy accounts here to do that or use their already Hero/Legendary status to try pull off a scam anyway. In fact, you could probably argue that people who donate to the forum will be less likely to scam because they have money invested in their account.

For the record, I already have asked theymos about changing the amount to achieve Donator and VIP status. His explanation was quite brief: changing it into something smaller than what it is could be grounds for services and people to abuse the system to scam. Of course, many malicious user would take advantage of a couple hundred bucks to potentially scam thousands because people will trust them due to their status.

Even VIP and Donators can scam or fuck the hell out of your bitcoins. See TradeFortress and the now defunct betcoin.tm. The latter I have experienced being tossed from one to another rep for just 1.5 bitcoins.

More donator ranks with additional perks has been suggested by a few users myself included. I even suggested we remove signatures from ranks entirely to stop account farming and then you can only get one through donation. Pegging them to fiat was also recommend.

I came here today looking for what is involved in donating and what perks, if any, exist.

I must say the vision of donating 10/50BTC when it was created refers to 10 BTC paying for 1 month of hosting for the site. That amount seems almost unbelievable today unless this forums monthly costs are much bigger than I could have imagined.

1 BTC floating around $2700 USD right now and this translates to $27,000 USD for Donator and $135,000 for VIP.

I understand that it should be respected for the people that donated these amounts back in their day and even Claymore semi-recently earning Donator status for his 10 BTC Donation but IMO these ranks and price points should be retired for something more palatable and reasonable.

As others have suggested, I will also suggest, perhaps it's time to create a new donator structure that is based off of the fiat dollar amount at the time of the donation so the "NEW" VIP could be something reasonable?

I would also go further to suggest that maybe there are different tiers of donation titles or something as has been done on other message boards. I know this is isn't something that can not be done overnight and it takes a lot of thought/work to implement.

Thanks for the consideration.

I agree and posted proof how one of them "Kluge" (with friends here) sent me a death threat and trolling harassment via PM and then vanished.. after trashing my rating.
And once he did others piled in trying to get a jab in too (Monero idiots and VOD the arrogant retard)

Fair or not don't matter.
What matters is theymos calls the shots.

So to him i would say look man, the price is way higher vs 2011.
So if you lowered it you would get a whole hell of a lot more money.
So it's simple.. want money ? Lower the amount for Donator / VIP.
Don't ?
Then leave it.
Simple.

It's your site so make the rules however you want.
There is no OBLIGATION to past donators.. they got their "perks"  

But i am not sure it's wise to pull a donation title based on scam accusations.
I would vote leave that alone.. if they paid then they paid.
I'd rather be able to see if a user is banned with a title under their name.
Then it could still say Donator but banned underneath..

Instead of people complaining about the 10 and 50BTC price tags for their respective ranks, people should team up and show that there is demand for a new rank, but with a lower entry price.

Maybe a dynamic BTC/USD price tag that moves up/down according to the most recent exchange rate would be a decent change.

Otherwise the same discussions about an expensive price tag will show up again as the price will surely continue to increase throughout the upcoming years.

Most people trade based off of the fiat value, which is why someone would want to look at this donation amount and convert it.

theymos isn't starting off his bids for advertising on this forum at .5BTC like he did in the past... he lowered it to .25 and now .1, as would be expected because people aren't going to start bidding at .5 with prices the way they are. I, too, would love for everyone to trade BTC as BTC... it just isn't reality right now.

There is no desire to change the donation amount, the forum doesn't care about donations anymore because they apparently do not need it, so as of now it has been decided that it will not change. If they want or need donations again in the future, I would guess this will be changed to bring in a higher quantity of donations, but nobody knows if or when that would ever happen.

Why?  Well, if bitcointalk wants to get larger donations, then a change needs to be made.  I find it unlikely they will ever get someone donating 50BTC again.  No legit person is going to donate that many coins.   Let's return here when bitcoin is 5k and have this talk again as to why it should or shouldn't stay at 50BTC.  I'd rather see the scammers from long ago taken off the donator list.

1 BTC is always 1 BTC. Why do you compare it to USD price? This is not USDTalk, this is Bitcointalk and forum don't need any donation money now. It was needed at that time and thanks to theymos, it is used for new forum software.

I would like to become a donator or VIP and be credited for it, because I like this forum and I want to prove my support to other members here, and also in order to maybe improve my reputation a little bit further.  

However, obviously the current prices are a joke, which is kinda frustrating and incomprehensible?! If someone paid $500 USD for becoming a VIP in the past, why should someone now pay $135,000? For "fairness"? Doesn't make much sense to me.