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legendary
Activity: 2053
Merit: 1356
aka tonikt
June 11, 2012, 11:12:35 AM
If I understand what is going on here - please correct me if I'm wrong:
GIGAMINING recently sold 13500 new shares to someone, under the counter, at the price below 1.0 and the new "investor" have decided to make some quick profit by dumping a few thousands of his shares onto the market - right?
Well... that's great - knowing that makes me really happy for buying my GIGAMINING shares at ~1.45. Now I know that you really take a good care about all your small investors and their interest Smiley
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
June 11, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
Coupon has been paid - giga missed mentioning it this morning...

Just FYI

Sorry guys, JWU42 is correct that the coupon payment has already gone out.
hero member
Activity: 1596
Merit: 502
June 11, 2012, 10:51:26 AM
You have to disclose this information. Or to keep the matters separately.

Didn't you issue the next round of bonds for 1.50 though?

Did you sell this last round to private investors for 1 btc?  Doesn't seem too cool to do that but whatever I sold right before the price went down

The last round was sold to private investors. Usually when their are bulk purchases (greater than 1k bonds) buyers usually insist on slight discounts to the current price.
Why? There is nothing about that in the contract.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1000
June 11, 2012, 10:46:58 AM
Coupon has been paid - giga missed mentioning it this morning...

Just FYI
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
June 11, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Complaining about the "last" price (or assuming it means anything) is stupid in a shallow market, as is often the case on GLBSE. Nobody wants to leave large quantities of bitcoins in GLBSE to keep open bids on there, so there's never any bid depth. It took 24 shares sold to go from 1.34 to 1.01. The degree of panic I see about this just reveals how little people understand about markets around here.

If we want to fix it, we need GLBSE to provide more incentives to people to be market makers, especially on the bid side. Otherwise, why would I keep my bitcoins locked up in GLBSE when I could be making loads of money with it elsewhere?
Working on a (partial?) solution to this. Details in a new thread soon.
hero member
Activity: 887
Merit: 1000
June 11, 2012, 10:18:06 AM
For all we know the investor could be you or a buddy from high school.  I'm not saying that's the case but I guess that's the free market.  Just would have been nice to somehow protect your public investors or warn them before these cheaper bonds flood the market or at least let them know what price they went for.   I'm not a business man so maybe I don't understand how this works. 
donator
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
June 11, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
You have to disclose this information. Or to keep the matters separately.

Didn't you issue the next round of bonds for 1.50 though?

Did you sell this last round to private investors for 1 btc?  Doesn't seem too cool to do that but whatever I sold right before the price went down

The last round was sold to private investors. Usually when their are bulk purchases (greater than 1k bonds) buyers usually insist on slight discounts to the current price.
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
June 11, 2012, 09:52:19 AM
Didn't you issue the next round of bonds for 1.50 though?

Did you sell this last round to private investors for 1 btc?  Doesn't seem too cool to do that but whatever I sold right before the price went down

The last round was sold to private investors. Usually when their are bulk purchases (greater than 1k bonds) buyers usually insist on slight discounts to the current price.
hero member
Activity: 887
Merit: 1000
June 11, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
It does matter at what price the last bonds were sold.
If somebody bought the bonds very cheap, they can flood the market at any time and the bond will lose again a lot of value.

Gigamining was originally sold at 1 BTC each.

Didn't you issue the next round of bonds for 1.50 though?

Did you sell this last round to private investors for 1 btc?  Doesn't seem too cool to do that but whatever I sold right before the price went down
vip
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
AKA: gigavps
June 11, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
It does matter at what price the last bonds were sold.
If somebody bought the bonds very cheap, they can flood the market at any time and the bond will lose again a lot of value.

Gigamining was originally sold at 1 BTC each.
donator
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
June 11, 2012, 08:42:51 AM
It does matter at what price the last bonds were sold.
If somebody bought the bonds very cheap, they can flood the market at any time and the bond will lose again a lot of value.

Well considering the second bonds were sold at 1.50.  It sounds like a deal. There are funds being publicly traded on the GLBSE that bought in around that price point.

What difference does it make what other people paid? Really, monkey see monkey do?

You haven't done a discounted future cash flow based on difficulty and exchange rate pro-formas?

Too bad we can't short on GLBSE....
donator
Activity: 229
Merit: 106
June 11, 2012, 06:54:16 AM
This week's dividend? 110% PPS?
legendary
Activity: 1031
Merit: 1000
June 11, 2012, 04:10:48 AM
Well considering the second bonds were sold at 1.50.  It sounds like a deal. There are funds being publicly traded on the GLBSE that bought in around that price point.

What difference does it make what other people paid? Really, monkey see monkey do?

You haven't done a discounted future cash flow based on difficulty and exchange rate pro-formas?

Too bad we can't short on GLBSE....
donator
Activity: 848
Merit: 1005
June 11, 2012, 12:55:33 AM
It is a great deal for Giga, that's for sure.  Buy hashes at $.60/MH (mini-rig and GPU) and sell bonds against it at $1.00-1.50/MH.  Makes for one hell of a profit margin.  Easy to finance expansion this way as well. 

It is a great deal for the buyers too. Because all mining bonds, including Giga's, still have a better return rate than most of the mining stocks. Of course, the shareholders of mining stocks "own" the hardware, but as far as I know only Inaba's BFLS allow the shareholders to trade the shares for the actual hardware, in other companies the concept of "ownership" makes sense only when bankrupting and liquidation.

And consider the difference between liquidation of mining companies and calling back of mining bonds, you couldn't easily conclude that selling used hardware will always result in more Bitcoins than calling back at 105%-120% of the market price. Indeed, the rise of Bitcoin price will make the market price of mining bonds against BTC lower, but it will also make the BTC price of selling old hardware lower. Hardware improvement (GPU -> FPGA -> ASIC) will drive the difficulty up, lowering the yield and the price of mining bonds, but it will also make old hardware more useless, harder to sell, and cheaper.
donator
Activity: 266
Merit: 252
I'm actually a pineapple
June 11, 2012, 12:37:26 AM
Wasn't one bond bought for 10 BTC at the IPO?

Yep, it's still fucking up the price chart (to the point of making it useless) on GLBSE Smiley
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
June 11, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Wasn't one bond bought for 10 BTC at the IPO?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
June 11, 2012, 12:08:52 AM
Complaining about the "last" price (or assuming it means anything) is stupid in a shallow market, as is often the case on GLBSE. Nobody wants to leave large quantities of bitcoins in GLBSE to keep open bids on there, so there's never any bid depth. It took 24 shares sold to go from 1.34 to 1.01. The degree of panic I see about this just reveals how little people understand about markets around here.

If we want to fix it, we need GLBSE to provide more incentives to people to be market makers, especially on the bid side. Otherwise, why would I keep my bitcoins locked up in GLBSE when I could be making loads elsewhere?

There's no panic from me.  I got the one @ 1.01. Smiley  I think now is the time to buy myself.
donator
Activity: 266
Merit: 252
I'm actually a pineapple
June 11, 2012, 12:06:55 AM
Complaining about the "last" price (or assuming it means anything) is stupid in a shallow market, as is often the case on GLBSE. Nobody wants to leave large quantities of bitcoins in GLBSE to keep open bids on there, so there's never any bid depth. It took 24 shares sold to go from 1.34 to 1.01. The degree of panic I see about this just reveals how little people understand about markets around here.

If we want to fix it, we need GLBSE to provide more incentives to people to be market makers, especially on the bid side. Otherwise, why would I keep my bitcoins locked up in GLBSE when I could be making loads of money with it elsewhere?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
June 10, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
Hasn't hit 1 BTC yet but we're close.

1.01  Cry
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1000
June 10, 2012, 11:49:54 PM
I at least hope it wont affect much on the price. Bought in in this bon @ 1.47 so another drop would really hurt my ROI.  Undecided

What type of financial analysis did you do to determine that 1.47 BTC was a good deal?

By my numbers I think 1.3 BTC might even be significantly overvalued. Kind of interesting to see how the market works, isn't it?

It is a great deal for Giga, that's for sure.  Buy hashes at $.60/MH (mini-rig and GPU) and sell bonds against it at $1.00-1.50/MH.  Makes for one hell of a profit margin.  Easy to finance expansion this way as well. 
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