Topic: God is Reality - page 10. (Read 10927 times)

Thank you for your concern and well-meaning advisals. While it is true that I am wrong about some things sometimes, I am not wrong today, not yet, and especially not about the things at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Whether or not certain details about the various religions are true or not, the info at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 proves that God exists. The only reason it might not for someone is, the particular someone hasn't examined and carried forward the evidences, or at least examined how others have carried out the evidences.

Generally speaking, the reasons why you haven't heard it expressed this way before, is because few people express it like this. Why don't they? Because...

Most people don't get down to the nitty gritty of thinking this deeply or simply.

Religious leaders often aren't logical thinkers, except in the ways that they have been trained... their religion. Often they speak the words of their religious books, because it is those words that bring people to their religion.

Scientists don't often speak this way, because their goal isn't the overview regarding God. Their goal has to do with proving out some aspect of scientific investigation that they are looking at. In addition, because the politics of universities and companies that use scientists, prohibit scientists from even going in this direction, they value their job above expressing things that are against policy.

Years ago, thinking like what is at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 was more or less automatic among the people. When you are riding a bicycle, you don't often concentrate on the automatic process of pedalling. But you could. In similar way, people simply live without realizing that the things about the proof for God are apparent, automatically perceived, without thinking about it. Then when some well-thought-out logic against God comes along, they don't have an answer. So they are swayed towards the idea that God doesn't exist.

I already told you that those "evidences" are working against you, they are reasons as to why the traditional monothesitic god does not exist. You can choose to believe otherwise, but you're simply wrong...

The very concepts of Hell and Heaven originated from Polytheistic(Belief in more than one god) religions. It also goes to show just how much religions copy one another in their beliefs. If you deem those polytheistic religions as false, then you deem the utmost beliefs in your own religion false, such as the concepts of heaven and hell(Which are indeed false, but I'm just showing you how all religions, no matter how silly, are equal in substance, or rather, lack of substance).

When you debate with God, attempting to deny His existence, you will only prove to push yourself out of existence. But, because God does exist, it will be He Who determines the method by which you will be pushing yourself out of existence. Hell won't be fun for you.

Since the evidences shown at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 that prove that God exists, can be examined and worked through, and are being done so on a regular daily basis by scientists around the world, these evidences and this proof overcomes your simple statements to the opposite.

God cannot possibly exist.

How many threads do you brainwashed idiots need?

You're hurting your view by spewing out inaccuracies. As I said before, the possibility of a "ultimate" supreme omni/present/scient/potent being existing is impossible, because those characteristics that we use to define such a being are logical fallacies and do not actually exist. Thus, the traditional monotheistic god does not exist.

Comparing God to the evolution/initial appearance of life is extremely illogical. We know the conditions that led to life emerging, so your entire argument there is incorrect. Life is a finite source, something that is logical and feasible. Today's popular culture version of God is that of an infinite being, which is incorrect and illogical. Also, there are a plethora of theories about the start of the existence of life billions of years ago. You should read about it.

The "info" in your link are actually evidences against the existence of god, so you're only hurting your own view. You comparing life to machinery and how someone must have had to "make" intelligent life(Which is completely absurd and illogical), but that must mean that someone/something must have had to make God. You saying that everything has a cause and effect would also mean that the appearance of god must have a cause and effect, meaning god would have to have had a creator.

As I said earlier, there are little to no evidence to back up the notion that god exists, but a plethora to back up the notion that he does not.

By the exact same analyses that you are using, the fact that we don't know everything, and the fact that in many areas we know very little, it's absurd to suggest that there is absolutely no possibility that God exists. Then, when you add the things at my link https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, it is easy to see that there is a possibility that God exists. When you do detailed studies on the info at the link, you find that they prove that God really DOES exist.

The idea that God is impossible is similar to suggesting that life is impossible. Why? The only reason we we know life is possible is because it exists. We can't make it. We don't have any theory about how we could make it. Because we are so extremely limited in knowledge and ability, there's is no way we can honestly state that God cannot possibly exist. By simple thinking, we just don't know. By thinking about the info in my link, we at least can see that God does exist, whatever He may be.

Because my opinions aren't opinions. You can't argue against what I say, because it is certain. A good way to test yourself how infinity is an impossible concept, is to try and think about a number that is large enough to be infinite. Use a supercomputer, use a quantum computer, it won't matter. The reason why infinity is impossible is because it is unknowable, and thus we can't say anything is infinite because it may actually be finite, but we just haven't reached it's finite point.

Using cause and effect as an argument for God is about the worst thing you can say, because then that would mean that God would have had to had a creator, and that also shows why the concept of god is impossible.

Please read what you first told me,  You said that we don't know what composes the wind, where it's going, of which I corrected you and said we do know what composes the wind and the general direction it's going...

That youtube video is so hilariously false I might use it to troll my friend one day. Seriously, please don't get your information from blatantly incorrect amateur made videos on youtube made by authors of books trying to sell their products.(His work isn't correct, it's just opinionated information for a novel he's selling, that's how they make money).

As I've said quite a number of times, the concepts by which we define god and it's abilities, are impossible concepts and that means the God we think of, all knowing/seeing/powerful is impossible to even exist. God cannot initially be infinite and omnipotent, yet retain those two qualities. They are incorrect words in the England language, logical fallacies.

When I said, "beyond human", I meant we would be beyond the biological restrictions that are apparent in all living things as of right now. I never alluded to becoming "Gods"(It's impossible for the traditional monotheistic God to even exist as I previously said). I also said Im not atheist, but my definition of God is by far the "realest" one, unlike what mainstream society incorrectly believes in. My definition would not include incorrect things such as infinity, omni/potent/scient/present that when comprised together are attributes of god. Only Omniscience and Omnipresent are the things that could constitute a "God", since they are not logical fallacies, and that means "God" isn't really a "God" in the incorrect traditional sense, but simply a higher being.

Why do you continue to assert that your opinions are the only accurate ones, and that mine aren't?



The fact of cause and effect action in everything shows that even evolution must have a cause.



The thing that you are suggesting is that man is the ultimate. This is not necessarily true. Even the process of evolution leaves open that another species could have developed somewhere in the distant reaches of interstellar space, somewhere that had much more favorable conditions for development of life, so that the life that developed there was so extremely more advanced than we are that it would seem like God to us.



But we don't know what the composition of any particular chunk of wind is at any time. Why not? Because it changes all the time, and it is way, way, way, way, way, too complicated for us to measure an particular chunk with any methods we have right now. What does this have to do with God being a reality?



We don't know this for a fact. Present archaeological findings are showing us that in the distant past there was a gigantic, worldwide trade organization, that might have even been a one-world government. Watch the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcPgIphDWGY. Nobody knows whether or not the cataclysms that hit the ancient world won't hit us again.



Beyond human is exactly what God is now! You think that we are going to be God, and yet you won't acknowledge that God can exist? You apparently need to rethink a lot of things, especially your idea that God doesn't exist but that man can become such.

I think I'll go make a pot of coffee. You really should do the same.

The term, "thinking outside of the box," isn't always clearly defined. There are levels of self awareness. The meaning of self-aware for an animal isn't the same as it is for a human.


The fact that we even consider them concepts shows that they are not necessarily impossible... except if you want to postulate that we are impossible, as well.


The word "can" suggests ability. None of us knows exactly how limited or unlimited our ability for understanding is. For example, we might have a complete understanding of 6 dimensions. We might have a limited understanding of another 8 or more. But we don't know if our understanding will ever be complete about the 8. And until we do, we can't really be sure that we will find the rest of the dimensions that we don't have any understanding about yet.


Actually, we have ideas and theories about the formation of stars and the properties of the earth's core - and the length of the universe, the Big Bang, black holes, dark matter and energy. We don't really know. There are too many variables. Electric cosmos theory fits the things that we observe about stars better than the current standard model - http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm.


Yes, and we will probably do other and greater things in the future. What does this have to do with God being a reality?


These things are all very general. Some day we might be able to track a molecule of the air as it moves with the wind, just like we tag and track a deer or a whale.

(chuckle) The entire field of meteorology, except in extremely general terms, is one of almost complete irregularity. To see this, all you need to do is watch how the ten-day forecast changes as much as 4 times a day depending on your location in the world.


The achievements of man are almost nil when compared with what exists. For example. Life is extremely complicated. Mankind has yet to make a machine that you can dump the raw materials into (feed it), and it will replicate itself over a period of time, say, nine months. We aren't really even thinking about such a machine that can go out and gather its own raw materials for "food."

The earth is full of all kinds of these machines. The fossil record shows that in the past there were as many as 3 times the number of these kinds of machines. We aren't really even close to making just one. Even the few robots that we have made that seem to be able to replicate a little, stand as nothing in the presence of the mighty replicating machines of nature.



Machines have makers. The machines of nature have a Maker. The points at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 include the whole operation of our basic scientific investigation. God is reality... way more than mankind. And, I want to thank you, personally, for giving me the this incentive and prompting to show these things to our readers.

Depending on what God is, we can't be sure that He didn't always exist. We just don't know. At present, the best we can do to answer this question is to believe the things that some religion says about Him.

If god created us, who created god?

I think is time for a God Coin, that can be used to donate to churches

That sure makes your point of view valid.   

shut up