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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1486. (Read 2032274 times)

legendary
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May 21, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
I rather think it will soon be 100 (Gold) : 1 (Silver)

Lets see , the jury is out


Hmmm...Silver at $160,000/oz and 'soon', eh?  Or do you mean gold at $0.28/oz?

Thanks for reminding me how useless it is to pay attention to 'financial professionals'.


Gold 1,300 $, Silver 13 $. It is that simple.

Thanks, but you've already reminded me.

legendary
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May 21, 2012, 04:40:38 PM
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Silver I consider somewhere between Gold and Bitcoin, but much closer to the Gold end of the spectrum.
...

This is only true volatility wise. 

If I were to order the abstraction of commodity currencies, it would be:
Water - Wheat - Pork belly - Copper - Silver - Gold - Bitcoin

My ordering:

  gold -> silver ----(xMany)---> BTC

is something I would argue in terms of safely storing wealth (high to low) and in terms of _potential_ to increase one's wealth (low to high.)

legendary
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May 21, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
I rather think it will soon be 100 (Gold) : 1 (Silver)

Lets see , the jury is out


Hmmm...Silver at $160,000/oz and 'soon', eh?  Or do you mean gold at $0.28/oz?

Thanks for reminding me how useless it is to pay attention to 'financial professionals'.



Gold 1,300 $, Silver 13 $. It is that simple.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Live and enjoy experiments
May 21, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
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Silver I consider somewhere between Gold and Bitcoin, but much closer to the Gold end of the spectrum.
...

This is only true volatility wise. 

If I were to order the abstraction of commodity currencies, it would be:
Water - Wheat - Pork belly - Copper - Silver - Gold - Bitcoin
legendary
Activity: 4760
Merit: 1283
May 21, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
I rather think it will soon be 100 (Gold) : 1 (Silver)

Lets see , the jury is out


Hmmm...Silver at $160,000/oz and 'soon', eh?  Or do you mean gold at $0.28/oz?

Thanks for reminding me how useless it is to pay attention to 'financial professionals'.

legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1000
May 21, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
I rather think it will soon be 100 (Gold) : 1 (Silver)

Lets see , the jury is out
legendary
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Merit: 1003
May 21, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
I'm heavier into silver then gold, I think it has more upside then gold.

If it gets to 30 to 1 (50 silver 1500 gold).  I might think about rebalancing.
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 03:10:58 PM
Min-Max Ranges:
  • 40-80% gold
  • 10-40% silver
  • 10-30% bitcoin

Why? First, gold is the metal that will be revalued and remonetised into the global financial system (Bitcoin hasn't made enough inroads yet). Second, gold is less expensive to store than silver. Third, although silver will rise with gold, there is no certainty as to when & how revaluation will occur, or whether silver will keep up during latter stages of revalutation (financial utility may boost gold for a some time, even though the natural ratio is below 20:1).


I tend to agree with your ranges, with the addition that Silver most often behaves like an industrial metal and crashes with the entire financial market (i.e. Silver is already down about 50% from the Apr '11 high while Gold is UP vs. 2011..
This is why I recommend 0-15% silver in bear markets like we are in.
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Maybe I should sign up for a spread betting company offering facebook so I can short it.  Smiley Except I wont.

On igmarkets you can already short facebook as of Friday.. and I did it :-)
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
OMG it just won't stop!!!

legendary
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Merit: 1000
May 21, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
Double up on that bottom yo!!

That looks much more like a top than it looks like a double bottom to me...

This is just a bounce off of SMA(20,1,w) or you could attribute it to all the retail investors who had to cash out some AAPL to buy FB, now cashing out of FailBook and going back into AAPL
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 01:04:07 PM


Today could be the day the downtrend is broken!!

Go baby go!!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47506512

Double up on that bottom yo!!
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 11:52:49 AM
BTW, what u guys think about facebook stock, worth a shot or will crash soon?

Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.  But you never know, it could go up, I don't see it thu Wink

PE of 108... You've got to be kidding me.

Forward PE could be 2 or 3..  They do have ~10% of all the people on the ENTIRE PLANET looking at their damn facebook pages every day.. The advertising potential is huge should they choose to exploit it in a way that doesn't turn peeps off..

Full disclosure:  I do not have a facebook page, but I might make one soon just to pick up chicks.. Wink
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
Maybe I should sign up for a spread betting company offering facebook so I can short it.  Smiley Except I wont.
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
BTW, what u guys think about facebook stock, worth a shot or will crash soon?

Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.  But you never know, it could go up, I don't see it thu Wink
hero member
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May 21, 2012, 10:53:49 AM
BTW, what u guys think about facebook stock, worth a shot or will crash soon?
legendary
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May 21, 2012, 09:43:47 AM


Today could be the day the downtrend is broken!!
legendary
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May 19, 2012, 05:12:54 PM
All week I was trying to decide between buying more silver or bitcoin, and I ended up going with bitcoin yesterday simply because of convenience - I can walk over to any Royal Bank in Canada, deposit cash, and within a couple of hours I have my coins ready to be deposited for interest generation.

Getting money in reasonable sized quantities into Bitcoin is not terribly difficult, but if you want to try to do it with some grace and vis-a-vis timing the markets, you either have to make the money transfers in stages, or trust largish chunks of value to an exchange.

Getting money out in reasonable quantities to use for things which are not available in the Bitcoin economy (like a house or car) can prove aggravating, time consuming, and expensive.  I could see that becoming much more of an issue more easily than it becoming less of an issue.  My personal and relatively recent experience here with gold bullion was that it is not the case.

One practice that can help with this is to only maintain 1-2 months of expenses worth of Bitcoin & fiat at an exchange, split about evenly between the two asset types. This method, effectively hedging, allows you to shift between them relatively easily while not risking a significant amount - approximately half of the total amount deposited, whether Bitcoin is locked up by penal activity taken against exchanges, or sudden fiat collapse. It bears repeating that these exchange deposits should not be savings for big-ticket items like tvbcof suggested, but monthly expenses - bills, groceries, etc.

It wouldn't be the easiest thing to do, but a good practice is to consistently deposit & withdraw at least once a month. A history of transactions can give the exchange a better sense of your reliability, including higher limits on request. You'll also notice pretty quickly whether any issues have arisen with transfers, at which point you can convert everything to Bitcoin and move to another exchange, or pull it all to your private wallet.

Whatever you decide, it's definitely a good idea to keep 1-3 months worth of domestic fiat on hand in case of bank holidays/runs and all that. What if you need to buy a plane ticket on the spot and banks are refusing transactions? If you have to flee, your Bitcoin balance will still be available.

Granted, I already have sufficient silver and gold stacks - if I was starting from scratch, I would certainly stack some metals first before delving into bitcoin.

In fact, I have a number of friends and family members asking me for advice now... this is the breakdown I am recommending for them:

50% silver
30% gold
20% bitcoin

I think that's a pretty good mix of safety and speculation - what do you guys think?

Sounds reasonable to me for someone who has the potential to absorb a fairly significant potential loss without going hungry.  Like me.

Agreed - for simple savings, that's about as good as it gets.

My own holdings of gold/silver are reversed:
  • 50% gold
  • 30% silver
  • 20% bitcoin

If working from an existing asset holding with 50% silver/30% gold ratio, silver can be sold for gold as the gold/silver ratio declines, exchanging 10% silver into gold every 10pt level (e.g. @ 40, 30, etc). A nicely tradeable gold/Bitcoin ratio should develop stronger than it exists now, as both become more widely adopted. Maintain a minimum 10% holding each of Bitcoin and silver.

Min-Max Ranges:
  • 40-80% gold
  • 10-40% silver
  • 10-30% bitcoin

Why? First, gold is the metal that will be revalued and remonetised into the global financial system (Bitcoin hasn't made enough inroads yet). Second, gold is less expensive to store than silver. Third, although silver will rise with gold, there is no certainty as to when & how revaluation will occur, or whether silver will keep up during latter stages of revalutation (financial utility may boost gold for a some time, even though the natural ratio is below 20:1).

With those ratios in mind, I always try to buy a little bit of whatever is cheapest among them, using some of the other two to make purchases. Some clients (or employers) can even be persuaded to pay in BTC. In this manner, there is almost no need to interact with fiat whatsoever; it's liberating in more ways than one Smiley
legendary
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May 19, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1004
May 19, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Well maybe facebook gives a shorting opportunity considering a PE ratio of over 100... Did I read that right?
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