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legendary
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Merit: 1005
March 18, 2015, 09:43:30 PM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
Nope i didnt form an oppinion based on your post just commenting on the one you formed..alas you were were a good contrarian again.. Dow ends up 200... Were headed way up

considering stocks have gone sideways for 4 mo i wouldn't declare victory just yet.  if we get over 19000, i'll concede you're on to something.
Lol right.. Those that bought stocks are up over 20% even on ranging conditions can you think of how?

but at what risk?  sure, you got a lot of things going for you such as QE, plunge protection team, an overall system that can't risk taking it's foot off the pedal.  but if you think a 2008 can't happen again, i've got news for you; it can.  i'm lucky b/c i don't have to rely on risky investments like the stock mkt right now and i fully intend not to.  i'll make my money the old fashioned way by working hard, saving, and sitting on my coin.  it's just a matter of time.  but sure, these things can go on longer than anyone expects but i suspect we're getting close to the end.  we just have a different perspective.
Less risk than bitcoin ? Lol theres nowhere else to park billions of $ all other markets suck right now. I never said 2008 cant happen i know it will.. Not enough suckers yet.. Smart money still buying
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
March 18, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
Nope i didnt form an oppinion based on your post just commenting on the one you formed..alas you were were a good contrarian again.. Dow ends up 200... Were headed way up

considering stocks have gone sideways for 4 mo i wouldn't declare victory just yet.  if we get over 19000, i'll concede you're on to something.
Lol right.. Those that bought stocks are up over 20% even on ranging conditions can you think of how?

but at what risk?  sure, you got a lot of things going for you such as QE, plunge protection team, an overall system that can't risk taking it's foot off the pedal.  but if you think a 2008 can't happen again, i've got news for you; it can.  i'm lucky b/c i don't have to rely on risky investments like the stock mkt right now and i fully intend not to.  i'll make my money the old fashioned way by working hard, saving, and sitting on my coin.  it's just a matter of time.  but sure, these things can go on longer than anyone expects but i suspect we're getting close to the end.  we just have a different perspective.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
March 18, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
Nope i didnt form an oppinion based on your post just commenting on the one you formed..alas you were were a good contrarian again.. Dow ends up 200... Were headed way up

considering stocks have gone sideways for 4 mo i wouldn't declare victory just yet.  if we get over 19000, i'll concede you're on to something.
Lol right.. Those that bought stocks are up over 20% even on ranging conditions can you think of how?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
March 18, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
Nope i didnt form an oppinion based on your post just commenting on the one you formed..alas you were were a good contrarian again.. Dow ends up 200... Were headed way up

considering stocks have gone sideways for 4 mo i wouldn't declare victory just yet.  if we get over 19000, i'll concede you're on to something.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
March 18, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
Nope i didnt form an oppinion based on your post just commenting on the one you formed..alas you were were a good contrarian again.. Dow ends up 200... Were headed way up
legendary
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Merit: 1538
yes
March 18, 2015, 04:47:41 PM
US dollar flash crash.  Down 5%+ in a few hours.  I thought bitcoin was the only volatile currency?

Regardless, not fun to see BTC blood bath right now. 

It's part of growing up. Nothing spectacular if you're not day trading.
hero member
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Merit: 500
March 18, 2015, 04:35:55 PM
US dollar flash crash.  Down 5%+ in a few hours.  I thought bitcoin was the only volatile currency?

Regardless, not fun to see BTC blood bath right now. 
hero member
Activity: 622
Merit: 500
March 18, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
US dollar flash crash.  Down 5%+ in a few hours.  I thought bitcoin was the only volatile currency?
hero member
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Spanish Bitcoin trader
March 18, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
Except for the fact that this is not looking like a top. Transports are overperforming and on their way to end that divergence upon which you place so much importance (nevermind that there was one such divergence in place for the whole 2012).

The trend, it bears repeating, is UP!
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
March 18, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs

yep, and your hubris is exactly what we need to form tops.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
March 18, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.

Lol then you go quiet when it makes new highs
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
March 18, 2015, 05:51:59 AM
Dow futures down another -58.

stock bulls need to be concerned.
legendary
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Merit: 1198
March 18, 2015, 05:29:58 AM
cool chart, from http://pricedingold.com:



(to me, it says to stay the course in btc)

That graph looks much the same as btcusd. Treat 2013 as a bad dream (goxmare) and everything is right on schedule.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
March 18, 2015, 05:20:17 AM
cool chart, from http://pricedingold.com:



(to me, it says to stay the course in btc)

Thank you.

And furthermore, coming from one of my long term nemeses!
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 1064
Bitcoin is antisemitic
March 18, 2015, 02:23:17 AM
cool chart, from http://pricedingold.com:



(to me, it says to stay the course in btc)
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
March 17, 2015, 11:02:40 PM
Now in the unlikely future event of a real schism with two persistent forks, it doesn't affect current investors. They can sit tight and whatever happens their money is safe. For new investors of course they have to make a choice (or hedge between them), but that is natural given there was a real schism in the economic majority, which suggests there were good reasons for it. I don't think hardly anyone is going to invest in a smallblock fork versus a reasonably larger block fork, for example. If we assume a major schism where investors support both, which seems very unlikely, then there was probably a good reason for it.

This is my argument about say increasing the block size. There seems to be deep division about whether this is a good  idea or at least whether some of the specific proposals of how to do it are a good idea.

Maybe you are right and trading would resolve the issue quickly if people had to put their money where their mouth is rather than just make a lot of noise over it. But if not, then exchanges, wallets, payment processors, etc. could be set up to deal in hedged baskets which consist of one of each coin traded together. Those who did not want to bet on one or the other could just use the basket until the market sorted out the question one way or another.

I no way is this a suggestion to simply let the chain fork as much and as often as anyone wants without the necessary infrastructure in place at both the exchange and wallet level to deal with it in a non-disruptive manner.

This suggests a kind of graduated strategy for forking. As opposed to the old strategy of...

1) Musing on fork possibilities
2) Debate of concrete proposals
3) Consensus

...there is a new more gradual strategy:

1) Musing on fork possibilities
2) Debate of concrete proposals
3) Rough consensus
4) Market arbitrage

The second strategy seems especially useful when getting full consensus is hard or is taking too long and time is of the essence. If blocks are filling up and transactions are getting delayed, some larger-capacity altcoin is leeching market share away by the day, and the media is having a field day, I imagine getting consensus to raise max_blocksize gets much easier. But in those cases where a straw poll isn't enough, putting it to a "market vote" is the final test.

It's only appropriate when every other means of assessing consensus leaves it indeterminate which proposal will win.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
March 17, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
Fair point. It may be that an effort at a better developed proposal would pay off in terms of consensus to implement it. I'm not sure about that given the conflicting and increasingly entrenched interests, but it's possible for sure.

My guess is once rubber hits road, when blocks are actually filling up and fees start to get bid up, it will be an easy choice. Same with full node incentives: once there start to be issues with large block propagation, miners will start to work out payment agreements with nodes, say, and it will all seem obvious in hindsight.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
March 17, 2015, 10:44:49 PM
Now in the unlikely future event of a real schism with two persistent forks, it doesn't affect current investors. They can sit tight and whatever happens their money is safe. For new investors of course they have to make a choice (or hedge between them), but that is natural given there was a real schism in the economic majority, which suggests there were good reasons for it. I don't think hardly anyone is going to invest in a smallblock fork versus a reasonably larger block fork, for example. If we assume a major schism where investors support both, which seems very unlikely, then there was probably a good reason for it.

This is my argument about say increasing the block size. There seems to be deep division about whether this is a good idea or at least whether some of the specific proposals of how to do it are a good idea.

Maybe you are right and trading would resolve the issue quickly if people had to put their money where their mouth is rather than just make a lot of noise over it. But if not, then exchanges, wallets, payment processors, etc. could be set up to deal in hedged baskets which consist of one of each coin traded together. Those who did not want to bet on one or the other could just use the basket until the market sorted out the question one way or another.

In no way is this a suggestion to simply let the chain fork as much and as often as anyone wants without the necessary infrastructure in place at both the exchange and wallet level to deal with it in a non-disruptive manner.


legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
March 17, 2015, 10:00:57 PM
why the hell do we ever invite Chris Larson to Bitcoin conferences?:

http://coinfire.io/2015/03/16/ripple-ceo-says-bitcoin-as-currency-unneeded-to-california-assembly/

Ripple Labs is the worse kind of parasite, always sticking their nose into everything Bitcoin-related in an attempt to take advantage of (and amplify) misunderstandings. When they show up at Bitcoin conferences and especially government hearings with their schtick it's pretty offputting, makes me think of this clip Grin

legendary
Activity: 2968
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March 17, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
If a fork is almost exactly like bitcoin, it will also fail, this is demonstrated by the natural forks of the blockchain that comes into being because two new blocks are found simultaneusly.

Furthermore the 2000 or so artificial forks that have been created as (sometimes slightly modified) Bitcoin-clone altcoins. Total capitalization is at most 5% (I doubt that number), which makes the average capitalization of one of these forks 0.0025% or less.

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