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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 876. (Read 2032266 times)

legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
Regardless of the trolls, what I like about the theory in particular (that I didn't know until now) are the details regarding Pantera's relationship with BitStamp.  This make two things more believable: (1) Pantera may have had some knowledge of the fiat balances that weekend on BitStamp as well as the propensity of the account holders to use them (giving Pantera confidence to nibble the wall rather than gulp it in a single bite thereby exposing their strategy), (2) Pantera would be more confident holding large balances on BitStamp than other investors.  

1,relationship with Circle too http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/pantera-capital
2,low price = more costumers and it's easy to buy with CC/DC or bank account
3,they are also nice connected together https://panteracapital.com/video/pantera-w14-morehead-athey/


the WAY the wall was eaten is not inconsistent with Pantera being the majority buyer.  remember, the wall was jumping around.  Pantera could have started nibbling at the wall hoping that the wall would be reset at a lower price, as it had actually been earlier in the day.  somewhere around 290 or so, iirc.

also in regards to the OTC buy theory.  that theory requires a doubling of a manipulator's risk.  they have to not only hope to find a large OTC seller in the middle of the night on a Sunday when no one's working PLUS set up the 30K wall which puts them at risk for losing all of those 30K coins at an artificially low price thus destroying that strategy.

no, if there indeed was manipulation, the easiest and most straight forward way to do it would be to keep selling small and large chunks of BTC at the market over a 4 mo time all the while waiting with a large chunk of fiat on the #1 exchange that you happen to own waiting for a weak BTC loaded whale to panic dump.

if anyone knows of any addresses that are owned by Bitstamp and Pantera, those would be an interesting place to start looking for confirmatory movements or accumulations of BTC.
hero member
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October 09, 2014, 11:23:06 AM
Regardless of the trolls, what I like about the theory in particular (that I didn't know until now) are the details regarding Pantera's relationship with BitStamp.  This make two things more believable: (1) Pantera may have had some knowledge of the fiat balances that weekend on BitStamp as well as the propensity of the account holders to use them (giving Pantera confidence to nibble the wall rather than gulp it in a single bite thereby exposing their strategy), (2) Pantera would be more confident holding large balances on BitStamp than other investors.  

1,relationship with Circle too http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/pantera-capital
2,low price = more costumers and it's easy to buy with CC/DC or bank account
3,they are also nice connected together https://panteracapital.com/video/pantera-w14-morehead-athey/
legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
October 09, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.

Another person falls prey to the Great Conspiracy - the idea that there are no conspiracies. Influential people meeting behind closed doors to plot using their power to advance their agenda and position? Bah! That never happens.

When dealing with conspiracies and conspiracy theories it's important not to fall into logical fallacies and keep asking questions. Do I think all of this this true? Does any of the evidence support it? Are parts of it true? Which ones? Might parts of it be 80% probable, but others plain under 1% close to impossible? Are there alternative theories explaining parts or all of the story more credibly?

Waving your arm and saying "Oh you conspiracy nuts need to get out and get a life, you are all deluded in everything you believe in" is sloppy thinking and incidentally plays into the cards of people, who would actually like to conspire in secrecy.

See, your denial of existence of conspiracies is the very thing which makes them so easy to occur. BAM! LOGIC! Take that lol
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:22:28 AM
if Jim Cramer can admit to manipulating S&P futures in pre-hours trading via his hedge fund in a public video, don't you think Pantera might be willing to do the same?  especially when they own an equity position in the most often referenced exchange and can probably see the order books?  remember, they are the first Bitcoin only hedge fund established back in the early days with a substantial #BTC.  also, look at the totality of the evidence i've presented. 
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.

I literally WAS taking a walk in the woods for the last few days, and so missed out on this buying opportunity.  Not that that matters much.  

But you need to consider the difference between true tin-foil hatters, who actually believe unsubstantiated theories, and cypherdoc's posting which is not so interesting because it MIGHT be true, but is interesting because it COULD be true.  In other words, he has identified how a trader could get an edge in the current btc ecosystem.

Also, one thing that he didn't mention: it is unlikely that a major investor in an exchange would actually need to transfer the money before using it.  The investor would just call up the exchange and say credit my account $10M, the $ is coming.  Its up to the exchange's discretion to essentially offer a swing loan to anybody it wants.  And this is basically a no-brainer in the case of an investor since the loan can be presumably backed by the round of funding from the investor that is sitting in the exchange's bank account.


legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
BFX shorts at ALL TIME HIGH.  SQUEEZE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM:

legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:06:39 AM
Dow -225



 Smiley

I wonder if its really happening... big swings usually result in big moves up or down... get out your grid bots
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
the sweet smell of deflation:

FNG
hero member
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October 09, 2014, 10:59:11 AM
Dow -225



 Smiley
hero member
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October 09, 2014, 10:25:05 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.

In fact you want us to stop thinking and do as we are told. You and who else I wonder?

Don't reply to this. I've had you on ignore since day one and only saw this post because it was quoted.
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 10:11:06 AM
Can someone help me understand at what point we should expect to see a cascading short squeeze? It hasn't happened yet right? Most of the short positions on BFX are still open right?

I'm looking for many markers one is the cost of production going higher than price.
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.

sure, it all could be just normal volatility.  we'll never know for sure.

but even if you disagree with the message or the messenger, what excuse to you give for slamming "crypto" in general?
hero member
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October 09, 2014, 09:37:41 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.
But I'd miss out on profits if I leave my house.
legendary
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Dumb broad
October 09, 2014, 09:26:32 AM
Wow, just some incredible posts the last few pages; I'm seriously wondering if I've taken a wrong turn with crypto.  Some of this conspiracy stuff about "the manipulator" is just plain ludicrous, I'm going to stop myself because I don't won't get into either a discussion/argument nor offend anyone.

I seriously believe a lot of you need to take a break from monitors and charts and analysis; take a walk in the woods, dance, talk to people face to face, visit another country.  Find some balance.
STT
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 09:20:33 AM
Ironic but lack of volatility can count for inacurracy.  If say a price rises for every day over many months, the chance of it being inaccurate is greater I think.  Where as constant shift between buyers and sellers shows an active marketplace I think.  Bitcoin has declined before, price alone does not show health

Value durability counts for alot in the context of this :



Some countries are growing and it may not apply but dollar is a national currency used globally, if that trend were to reverse at all then its a far harsher swing possible then shown here
If bitcoin does have durability at all then its longterm value is more assured ?
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
And Wall Street had the audacity to call Bitcoin volatile?

Jeez, - 272, +272, -102. Up down up down. 
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 08:45:56 AM

Yes, an amazing performance. He rocked it! Very bull.  Grin

Agreed. I thought I would watch the first 10 minutes or so but I ended up watching the whole thing. I wonder if Ben Lawsky will also watch it and what his reaction will be.

Meet him at the border with a Swat team and a bunch of reporters.
sr. member
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October 09, 2014, 07:58:48 AM

Yes, an amazing performance. He rocked it! Very bull.  Grin

Agreed. I thought I would watch the first 10 minutes or so but I ended up watching the whole thing. I wonder if Ben Lawsky will also watch it and what his reaction will be.
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 07:12:27 AM
go bullstamp, go !   Cheesy
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 06:58:23 AM
I told you, no mo selling pressure.

Pantera Capital is out.

Looks pretty obvious, only 2k coins to 400 now. When we were @ 385 in the downtrend there were about 5k coins to 4000.
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