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October 08, 2014, 09:57:20 PM
That's great info, cypherdoc!
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October 08, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
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October 08, 2014, 08:46:34 PM


Adrian, the Metcalfe value charts I plot always use market cap, including this one.  I just annotated it with the $2300/BTC prediction made earlier in the thread to visually show the sharp decline in the growth rate that such a prediction implied.  

Here's the math to explain why the point is at ~$4 x 10^10:
In 2020, there should be approximately 18 million or so coins: (18x10^6 BTC) x ($2300/BTC) ~ $42 billion ~ $4x10^10, as indicated.  So, yes, the chart is correct.  

Thanks I've got it.
On that point do you see the model scaling while Bitcoins become more scarce? I guess it will as any huge deviation would encourage either spending or saving.
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October 08, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
Just wow, I thought this went very well.
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October 08, 2014, 07:52:37 PM
listen to David Seaman's despair and anger.  this is called Capitulation.  sad, but this is no market for the naive and weak minded:

http://davidseaman.libsyn.com/bitcoin-crash-analysis

Yea I was listening to that during bearwhales final hour,  I felt really bad for that guy, twitter was just laughing in his face. 
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October 08, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
all the different Bitcoin buckets continue to fill up with raining fiat except for the price bucket:

http://www.coindesk.com/state-of-bitcoin-q3-2014-report-maturing-ecosystem-price-pressure/
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October 08, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
My quick and dirty valuation of BTC in 2020 is also based on M2.  Not completely incomprehensible that BTC could be 5% of M2 by 2020, or $2300 or so per BTC.

This would imply that you're also predicting a significant change in bitcoin's historical growth rate starting now.  What would make you believe that growth would be vastly slower moving forward?



Peter, (correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that dot at about $4000 not $2300) that aside when I say the graph it looked a lot like the Bitcoin inflation curve, giving this meager projection more validity.

It got me thinking that the growth in network value and demand with a fixed supply (diminishing inflation) that the relationship would decouple over time as the price would rise as supply shrinks, and that wasn't evident in your model.

I guess that is what Marcus was thinking here by using the market cap which accommodates inflation.


Total BTC value (CAP) and number BTC TXS squared excluding popular addresses (with a simple exponential fit line). Data from Blockchain.info.

On current trend of ~4years, CAP ~$100 billion Aug. 2015, $1 Trillion Aug. 2016 (after next halving) ... unless TXS hit some limit.



Adrian, the Metcalfe value charts I plot always use market cap, including this one.  I just annotated it with the $2300/BTC prediction made earlier in the thread to visually show the sharp decline in the growth rate that such a prediction implied.  

Here's the math to explain why the point is at ~$4 x 10^10:
In 2020, there should be approximately 18 million or so coins: (18x10^6 BTC) x ($2300/BTC) ~ $42 billion ~ $4x10^10, as indicated.  So, yes, the chart is correct.  
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October 08, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
listen to David Seaman's despair and anger.  this is called Capitulation.  sad, but this is no market for the naive and weak minded:

http://davidseaman.libsyn.com/bitcoin-crash-analysis
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October 08, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
no reaction yet. not that i'm expecting anything:

https://twitter.com/cypherdoc2/status/519908666670329857

no mo selling pressure:

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October 08, 2014, 06:49:26 PM
No offense, but you're such a conspiracy nut often times. Cheesy


that's a funny accusation coming from you, the original 2011 conspiracy nut.  a time when i was denouncing it:

The Manipulator
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October 08, 2014, 06:33:24 PM
"I can certainly entertain the manipulation idea.  And the 35k dump/wall on a Sunday was odd in the extreme.  I do not think that it was eaten by its owner, is all, for the reasons I have stated.  Thanks for this  great thread, btw.   Not sure how it got this big before I noticed it"

This type of discussion/conjecture is damn' useful for recognizing the symptoms the next time it happens.  
Not to mention entertaining.  Since we all want to know, and none of us are likely to ever know, we might as well knock around whatever ideas occur.
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October 08, 2014, 06:26:07 PM
"I can certainly entertain the manipulation idea.  And the 35k dump/wall on a Sunday was odd in the extreme.  I do not think that it was eaten by its owner, is all, for the reasons I have stated.  Thanks for this  great thread, btw.   Not sure how it got this big before I noticed it"

This type of discussion/conjecture is damn' useful for recognizing the symptoms the next time it happens.  
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October 08, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
Loaded == Pantera guy
Hadn't considered that possibility...  As good as any other theory Grin
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October 08, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
Nope. If he had the cash there,  he likely would have eaten the whole wall in  a couple bites. As it was it took 6 or so hours, and he got less than half of it.  
Money talks. He got somebody out of bed, or flew in with a suitcase full of cash, who knows, he didn't share details - but he has in the past.

you seriously believe that?  flew the cash in?  got someone out of bed and got all that cash there in <6h?  to Slovenia?  and how well do you know this guy?  there are a lot of big talkers on the interwebz.

all he said is this: "Fiat arrives (finally.)"  did he actually say he bought the wall?

no, no.  it's WAY more likely Pantera Capital, being an equity owner and close associate of the owners, would be the ones there waiting with large amounts of fiat.

I don't know him at all. But I do know that he has control of a substantial stash (fact)  and claims to handle substantially MORE for clients, and claims to do the fly - in when required.  I have no way to prove nor disprove the claims, and no reason to disbelieve them.

i won't argue with you anymore.  this is all just conjecture, i'm the first to admit.  and mostly for fun.

i'd just ask you to weigh the likelihood of the different scenarios we've proposed.  i still think the Pantera Capital buy is more "likely".  even if you do disbelieve the manipulation part from June to Oct 5. Cheesy
I can certainly entertain the manipulation idea.  And the 35k dump/wall on a Sunday was odd in the extreme.  I do not think that it was eaten by its owner, is all, for the reasons I have stated.  Thanks for this  great thread, btw.   Not sure how it got this big before I noticed it Cheesy  

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October 08, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
Loaded == Pantera guy
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October 08, 2014, 04:51:57 PM
Nope. If he had the cash there,  he likely would have eaten the whole wall in  a couple bites. As it was it took 6 or so hours, and he got less than half of it.  
Money talks. He got somebody out of bed, or flew in with a suitcase full of cash, who knows, he didn't share details - but he has in the past.

you seriously believe that?  flew the cash in?  got someone out of bed and got all that cash there in <6h?  to Slovenia?  and how well do you know this guy?  there are a lot of big talkers on the interwebz.

all he said is this: "Fiat arrives (finally.)"  did he actually say he bought the wall?

no, no.  it's WAY more likely Pantera Capital, being an equity owner and close associate of the owners, would be the ones there waiting with large amounts of fiat.

I don't know him at all. But I do know that he has control of a substantial stash (fact)  and claims to handle substantially MORE for clients, and claims to do the fly - in when required.  I have no way to prove nor disprove the claims, and no reason to disbelieve them.

i won't argue with you anymore.  this is all just conjecture, i'm the first to admit.  and mostly for fun.

i'd just ask you to weigh the likelihood of the different scenarios we've proposed.  i still think the Pantera Capital buy is more "likely".  even if you do disbelieve the manipulation part from June to Oct 5. Cheesy
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