Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 60. (Read 131506 times)

Strictly both, but their main focus (and preorder money) is as an ASIC manufacturer. We will see how things go, after all this is fluid.

Alright ill accept your judgement even though I have no faith that vmc will deliver without bullshit along the way as has been seen in the past with this company.

But shouldn't they be considered a chip integrator as of  now? Not even designing their own boards to go with their hashfast chips.

That's IF they can meet the criteria, on a medium review cycle. We have to give them something, and C isn't really that high:

Do you really feel confident giving them such a high rating with so little hardware shipped (if any)?

C+ gives the impression they are semi-competent and are delivering hardware but we have no idea if this is the case at this point.

My interpretation was the farm is there to provide cloud hashing for customers until the actual chips are ready. They were already quite harshly punished in rating, so C+ is still near the bottom.

I would actually demote them to an F if anything.

First they tried passing off the hardware they are selling as their own. Now confirmed to be hashfast chips on hashfast boards.

And I wouldn't even be so sure they are shipping anything until their hashfast boards appear in the wild which could be a while since they are charging $6/gh

This is in addition to claims that they are not actually giving out refunds and a plethora of other issues in the past few months.

This reminded me that I completely forgot to ever give BFL a negative trust rating.

Ethics has clearly not been relevant to the ratings.

These are companies, not people. Ethics sits in their wallets.

And now BFL is buying positive and negative trust ratings in the bitcointalk. Ethically challenged? That should be added to the list of crimes / lies / deceptive practices they employ. Z- is too good for them.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5979745

Check out this thread Dogie for a much clearer picture of the USB miner manufacturing.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stickminers-overview-of-low-power-usb-stick-type-mining-hardware-464496

Telling the truth is a funny thing. Welcome to the club and I think it is badge of honor to have him lie about you in the trust ratings. He is the worst of the worst in this community for abusing the trust feature. Zed minus for BFL is still too high given the millions they have stolen from this community.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198 (Inaba)


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=87869 (Dogie)


Any of this look familiar in BFL's and Inaba's playbook? Anyone know exactly what sort of work he did in the past for the Army? Hmmm... funny his tactics seem to be right out of the psyops right? https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/

Having failed to meet specs/delivery dates on just about every product they advertised I think a D would be far too high of a rating.

BFL has proven it is not trustworthy.

Aside from hashfast being a B, I think this comparison is pretty accurate.

1) Not sure where that hyperlink is supposed to go to...

2) Why is BFL in it's own catagory below everyone else, and not "D"? Seems to me "E" and below would be reserved for shams and frauds, of which I personally don't think BFL is. They may have their issues, but they HAVE delivered a not-insignificant amount of hardware.


Seems to me this would be the most apt description.

Sorry for the delay, this will get updated early next week.

In other news, Inaba has left me negative feedback by for "conning newbies into buying from scam companies", aka by recommending NOT to buy from BFL.

Big Picture Mining Collective:

We did not produce the Blue Fury USB miners.

The BPMC was going to produce the K1 Nano but pulled the plug on the production when Avalon failed to deliver the sample chips on time and we gave EVERYONE a prompt refund in full. One person was upset with our slow refunds but we did get him his money after a week delay and we were sorry for that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251831.100

Then BPMC produced only 120 USB Miners called the BF1 USB miner (BitFury 1) initially but folded as there was split in the collective over the royalties which is still not resolved. They sold out I think by October or November 2013. Anything after that is not a BPMC because the collective ceased to exist after October 2013 and we are still fighting over the royalties for these items being sold unfortunately. https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=292433

Please note that ANY OTHER USB Miners are and were never BPMC these and other USB miners are former BPMC members built on their own sold them. You need to check with each group to get the name of their group.

IceFury: Not 100% sure who made these I think Sam and Andrew did these as well.

RedFury: beyond the initial 120 units made many many more were sold by https://megabigpower.com/shop/ ask Kevin what his arrangement was with Dave on using the original BPMC design. Or Dan and Tiyo sold a lot of these on Ebay as well and are even still for sale in Indonesia here: http://shop.bitcoin.co.id/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=55 that is directly Tiyo and Dan I suspect given the red heat sinks and packaging used in the pictures.

BlueFury: Sam and Andrew fabricated these and sold them. What they called themselves I do not know.

Any that fall outside the original 120 chips BitFury chips that were ordered were not and are NOT BPMC. I would ask that you change the BPM to something else and contact those who built the BlueFury and ask them their name of their group such as Sam or Andrew former members of BPMC or Tiyo, Dan or Kevin for anything on the RedFury or other iterations of the originally designed BF1. Or you can rate the BPMC on the information provided for only our 120 USB miners that were sold and the refunds we provided for the K1 Nanos. I think our limited run would exclude us entirely from this thread at least for the BPMC portion of the units sold.

F- or much lower. At this point they haven't delivered anything and have gone completely silent on a public front. No posts despite promises to post on Tuesdays, nothing new on their page, no confirmed deliveries, allegedly welshing on refunds.

UPDATE 3/25: They seem to be starting to reply again. They are working on addressing the trolling/haters problem right now. Least working to establishing credibility with the community. I guess we will see where this goes over the next couple of days. Even flying out Phinneaues Gage to their office so he can check things out and report back.

update 3/27: appears a single known 1.2THs AMT miner is the wild. Still little to no communications to customers. Bordering on hostile at times.

+1

Are you suggesting they should be higher or lower? They're STILL yet to deliver a single thing.

Is AMT also staying at a D+? Might want to check out the official thread.

Agreed, I've been watching them. They were temporarily a D due to refund problems but it looks like they should be back there.