[Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 57.

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Quote from: dogie on April 26, 2014, 05:12:52 PM

Quote from: yxt on April 26, 2014, 02:03:50 PM

Quote from: Lincoln6Echo on April 21, 2014, 05:22:22 AM

Rating of Avalon: B+ Huh

With Avalon Batch 1 and 2 they built trust. With Batch 3 and chip sales they cashed out their gained trust!

No refund for trade-ins?-> Scam

In my opinion the rating should be: D-

+1

You guys were just in too deep to keep emotions out of it when considering Avalon. They did nothing wrong on batch 3 or chip orders - that you can get even remotely close to proving. The only outstanding issues is the trade ins.

Not to mention they are only selling in stock hardware and no longer preorders specifically because they fucked up that one time

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Quote from: tzortz on April 26, 2014, 02:31:08 PM

What about Knc?

They're being considered in the next cycle. That will also give them time to respond.

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Quote from: yxt on April 26, 2014, 02:03:50 PM

Quote from: Lincoln6Echo on April 21, 2014, 05:22:22 AM

Rating of Avalon: B+ Huh

With Avalon Batch 1 and 2 they built trust. With Batch 3 and chip sales they cashed out their gained trust!

No refund for trade-ins?-> Scam

In my opinion the rating should be: D-

+1

You guys were just in too deep to keep emotions out of it when considering Avalon. They did nothing wrong on batch 3 or chip orders - that you can get even remotely close to proving. The only outstanding issues is the trade ins.

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What about Knc?

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Quote from: Lincoln6Echo on April 21, 2014, 05:22:22 AM

Rating of Avalon: B+ Huh

With Avalon Batch 1 and 2 they built trust. With Batch 3 and chip sales they cashed out their gained trust!

No refund for trade-ins?-> Scam

In my opinion the rating should be: D-

+1

magzy

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Quote from: 5024476753 on April 22, 2014, 07:16:36 PM

Is there proof of VMC having ever issued a refund? if so I must be watching the wrong thread. I have been waiting since January for my refund and have had no contact other than empty replies and broken promises in both public and private communications. Please demote;

I second this. Refunds are not being given despite VMC saying they are.

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Is there proof of VMC having ever issued a refund? if so I must be watching the wrong thread. I have been waiting since January for my refund and have had no contact other than empty replies and broken promises in both public and private communications. Please demote;

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OneStringMiner is an A+ seller not a C+

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Quote from: BenTuras on April 22, 2014, 01:44:29 AM

Quote from: dogie on April 22, 2014, 01:39:08 AM

Quote from: BenTuras on April 22, 2014, 01:14:58 AM

Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 08:45:29 PM

Bitmain is sorting it though. I do agree with KNCMiner, but they've done nothing wrong, illegal or unethical in the immediate history. Let me know if you think otherwise though.

If you think that creating one of the largest mines in the Bitcoin world(without telling their customers upfront), causing customers that bought their miners to never break even, is not unethical, we have a different definition of unethical.

We know that though, and have continued to know that for the last 6 months. That's why they're stuck at B+. If your a customer of theirs you're free to refund in full any order. There's nothing anyone can sue them over, so there's nothing they can be penalised for further than they already have been.

I am not thinking of suing or penalising, it's just about the definition of unethical.

Exactly this.
It is the definition of unethical.

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Quote from: dogie on April 22, 2014, 01:39:08 AM

Quote from: BenTuras on April 22, 2014, 01:14:58 AM

Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 08:45:29 PM

Bitmain is sorting it though. I do agree with KNCMiner, but they've done nothing wrong, illegal or unethical in the immediate history. Let me know if you think otherwise though.

If you think that creating one of the largest mines in the Bitcoin world(without telling their customers upfront), causing customers that bought their miners to never break even, is not unethical, we have a different definition of unethical.

We know that though, and have continued to know that for the last 6 months. That's why they're stuck at B+. If your a customer of theirs you're free to refund in full any order. There's nothing anyone can sue them over, so there's nothing they can be penalised for further than they already have been.

I am not thinking of suing or penalising, it's just about the definition of unethical.

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Quote from: BenTuras on April 22, 2014, 01:14:58 AM

Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 08:45:29 PM

Bitmain is sorting it though. I do agree with KNCMiner, but they've done nothing wrong, illegal or unethical in the immediate history. Let me know if you think otherwise though.

If you think that creating one of the largest mines in the Bitcoin world(without telling their customers upfront), causing customers that bought their miners to never break even, is not unethical, we have a different definition of unethical.

We know that though, and have continued to know that for the last 6 months. That's why they're stuck at B+. If your a customer of theirs you're free to refund in full any order. There's nothing anyone can sue them over, so there's nothing they can be penalised for further than they already have been.

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Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 08:45:29 PM

Bitmain is sorting it though. I do agree with KNCMiner, but they've done nothing wrong, illegal or unethical in the immediate history. Let me know if you think otherwise though.

If you think that creating one of the largest mines in the Bitcoin world(without telling their customers upfront), causing customers that bought their miners to never break even, is not unethical, we have a different definition of unethical.

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VMC is selling hashfast babyjet boards with a 64% failure rate. I have journalled this in the VMC thread and am updating the front page as more news and comment comes in.
These are the same boards that were supposed to be in the mining farm and the reason they are not up to the 200 TH/s as promised to the shareholders by ken could be reasonably attributed to this.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vmc-unofficial-virtual-mining-corporation-discussion-491609

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Quote from: sbfree on April 21, 2014, 08:24:00 PM

Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 09:15:20 AM

Quote from: sbfree on April 21, 2014, 04:40:06 AM

dogie, do you think that bitmain and kncminer should have their grades re-looked at, I know I do.?

Why?

well the S2 has not been perfect in regards to batch 2 shipping time and issues/RMA delays and kncminer has gone to the darkside. I bet there are quiet a few who agree if you were to poll their threads.

Bitmain is sorting it though. I do agree with KNCMiner, but they've done nothing wrong, illegal or unethical in the immediate history. Let me know if you think otherwise though.

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Quote from: dogie on April 21, 2014, 09:15:20 AM

Quote from: sbfree on April 21, 2014, 04:40:06 AM

dogie, do you think that bitmain and kncminer should have their grades re-looked at, I know I do.?

Why?

well the S2 has not been perfect in regards to batch 2 shipping time and issues/RMA delays and kncminer has gone to the darkside. I bet there are quiet a few who agree if you were to poll their threads.

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Quote from: sbfree on April 21, 2014, 04:40:06 AM

dogie, do you think that bitmain and kncminer should have their grades re-looked at, I know I do.?

Why?

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Quote from: dogie on April 20, 2014, 09:50:20 PM

...VMC held at C due to the boards being sold not being originally designed...

Just a heads-up:

Refunds are being promised, not delivered.
Quote from: kslaughter on April 13, 2014, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: magzy on April 13, 2014, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Tars_Tarkas on April 13, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
Has anyone received their requested refund? Please post --- Its been approx 4 weeks [a couple days short] since I've requested mine [and, of course, no refund].

Ken has promised me personally and publicly that the refunds will happen this week.

Yes, we will start sending out refunds this next week. There is a queue of refunds, but we will start this week.

There are exactly three delivered boards that have been verified: 2 to Bargraphics, and 1 to a guy in India (who has ordered 5 and received 1, after a long wait).

Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206488.msg6328027#msg6328027

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Don't use bitcoin.de if you care about privacy!

Rating of Avalon: B+ Huh

With Avalon Batch 1 and 2 they built trust. With Batch 3 and chip sales they cashed out their gained trust!

Mining with customer Hardware?-> Big No Go!
No refund for trade-ins?-> Scam
Lies about reasons for delays -> BFL style

In my opinion the rating should be: D-

Yifu is not part of the team anymore? useless. Everyone at Avalon is/was responsible for their behavior!

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dogie, do you think that bitmain and kncminer should have their grades re-looked at, I know I do.?

magzy

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VMC is a scam. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vmc-unofficial-virtual-mining-corporation-discussion-491609

And should be demoted with your original scam warning reinstated

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