Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 64. (Read 131506 times)

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Changelog 02/20/2014

• Added explanation regarding chip integrators having lower ratings compared to chip creators.
• Added explanation regarding the higher weighting of more recent problems/good work.

Company changes:

• BitMine to be reviewed 1st March on release performance (with delay compensation).
  
• AMT moved to chip integrators. Set C. Promoted to C+ on delivery of first orders, taken a hit due to delays and lack of communication.
• VMC Set D. Promoted to C+ on testing publication, with no additional problems.

KNC literally don't care about consumers any more, and if I was KNC myself I wouldn't either with the amount of farm money they make. They're happy to delay shipment to optimise the power consumption for their $10m super farm, at the detriment of buyers. They had working machines they could have churned out at the right hash rates, but they wanted better for THEMSELVES. This is not good for the community.

Avalon screwed up, we know. But before that they did amazing work which made the community lots of money. The old management team has since left, and its now essentially a reworked entity. They've delivered Avalon 2 hardware and chips without problems for months, and continue to do so. In fact, they are only offering <2 week/in hand hardware.

Recent events have more weighting in my rankings, as that's closer to where people are buying. For example if you bought an Avalon 2 now, it would be delivered now. If I bought a Neptune, which I can't, I'd go to the back of the list of 3000 of already delayed Neptunes. That's 3000 customers who's interests they have to put ahead of mine.

I've clearly laid out the conditions for which both companies can improve their ratings with good performance.

Yes I already said I was invested in the company, I am a shareholder....that's kind of why I'm here.

The person we need to be aware of is you. You are one of the major Trolls I mentioned and you have Trolled the Official thread with Spam-posts for months - you even blackmailed the CEO saying if he didn't pay you BTC everyday you would Troll his thread. Well here you are Trolling.
There is a whole thread on you and your blackmail attempts:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/threats-to-extort-and-blackmail-bct-companies-by-the-user-pankkake-344219

If you have any evidence of my 'serial lies' or any lies atall please start up a thread and let everyone see these lies.

Hopefully Dogie just works on facts so none of your propaganda will work here.

Z-

too bad the alphabet can not go deeper

How can you rate Avalon and KNC as the same grade, when the facts and comments you yourself have written are obviously in favor of KNC? In fact I don't see why KNC is rated mid-tier, save for literally max a couple of weeks delay (less than any other company accepting preorders have managed), they have a perfect reputation.

sweet

Hi Dogie,

I admire your work here it is potentially a good resource. But as an investor in the parent company of VMC I am interested as to where you get this information from:

'VMC set         B. Demoted to E, refunds are being refused [ignored] and no products on the horizon. Potentially a scam. Promotion to D if refunds begin to be resolved.'


I would like to point out that according to the CEO of VMC currently there are two chips in production, one a full-custom 55nm has been taped out and is being fabbed by UMC for bulk reel sale and for miners. These 55nm chips have in the past week been listed for pre-order on the VMC website where full specs have also been stated:
http://virtualminingcorp.com/shop1/index.php?id_product=35&controller=product

The other chip in production is a 28nm full-custom and has been given over to a vendor with tape-out expected in 8 weeks.  The chip will be used in a PCI card, it will be 'air cooled and use a double slot.  The estimate speed of the new card will be 432 GH/s and will be listed at $1499.00.'.

I could understand you saying that VMC product has been delayed but to say there is 'none on the horizon' seems factually incorrect to me.

As to the refunds being ignored I have no information on that, can you say how many people have reported that to you and out of that number how many have shown you evidence of their order? I only ask because the company is plagued by Trolls some of who have previously lied about having orders, having machines, having refunds refused etc.

Regards,
minerpart

Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully it will get stickied.

This is nice i was wondering about this and i didnt have time to search the forum. This is very good to have all in one place.

thanks... this is good thread..
hope will sticky

Great summary, thanks Dogie!

Thank you so much for a thorough analysis of all the mining companies out there, having tried to do the same, you're pretty spot on. You have literally cut out 90% of the bitching that goes on in each individual manufacturer thread.

Thanks

Haha just noticed the Z- for BFL and E for VMC.

Keep up the good work Dogie!   

Changelog 2014.02.19

• Optimised for 1080p.
• Increased readability
• New rating system from A-F.
• Rating criteria added
• Criteria for promotion added [to be integrated]
• Company movements as below as below
• Lightning ASIC added

Company changes:
ASICMiner set    A+
Bitmain set    A. Promoted to A+ on continued good delivery times until March 15.
Bitfury set    A. Promoted to A+ if next generation is offered without preorder (delivery not required for promotion).
CoinTerra set    B+. Demoted to B as delivered products are not achieving hash rate (okay), but they are not compensating as of yet (not okay). Back to B+ if customers are compensated.
KNCMiner set    A. Demoted to B+ as Neptunes still not delivered, and refunds are coming up short. They're now making so much money with their private farm they don't need to care about the community. Promotion to A if refund issues are sorted out.
Black Arrow set B+. Demoted to B. Promotion to B+ if there are no more (new) issues until March 8.
Avalon set      B. Promoted to B+ due to successful delivery on new miner. Promotion to A if no issues until March 15.
HashFast set   C+. Promoted to B due to continued engagement in fixing issues. Promotion to B+ if no new issues until March 8.
AMT set       C. Promoted to B on delivery of first orders.
BitMine set      C. Promoted to C+ due to Zefir's involvement. Promotion to B on delivery of first orders.
VMC set         B. Demoted to E, refunds are being refused [ignored] and no products on the horizon. Potentially a scam. Promotion to D if refunds begin to be resolved.
BFL set       Z-. Promoted to F- if they give themselves into the authorities, or at least make an ATTEMPT to undo their wrongs.
Lightning ASIC added and set C. Promotion to B once more units are delivered successfully.

Drillbit set    B. Promotion to B+ if no issues until March 8.
Redhash set    B. Promotion to B+ if no issues until March 8.
Technobit set   B. Promotion to B+ if no issues until March 1.
Big Picture Mining set C+. Promotion to B if replacement units appear in the wild.

BFL still isn't <2 week order system, that's "order 9 months ago but it will arrive in 2 weeks".

Be careful with "<2 week order systems" a thou shall not be named soft scammer has coined something in that line many a fold.

That's a good point, I'll with add a column for any 'in stock' or <2 week order systems. Also going to be working with fctaichi to get the mining revenue predictions from preorder thread going again, so might be integrated with this.

Wow - you're right. Just yesterday it said "out of stock" - the Feb. 28 window seemed to be closed. Thanks!

Edit: Got one. Wouldn't have known they were back in stock if it weren't for your post. Thanks again.