[GUIDE] GridSeed GC3355 5 Chip Setup/power/windows/linux/rpi by UnicornHasher - page 43.

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Quote from: wolfey2014 on March 17, 2014, 07:35:23 PM

Jesus Christ SuckMoon! Give it a rest!
Again, my 'logic' .... no logic to it, idiot!
I base what I say on FACT! Not fiction!
I have a friend who paid not $800 but $900 for a super duper video card that runs at 800 bfd KH/s!
Anyway, quit wasting my time trying to be right...
Geesh!
Wolfey2014 ;p

Pea Ess, and I can KILL that $900 GPU with only 2 slightly overclocked GS3355 5 Chip GridSeed's at a fraction of the cost per KW/hr...nice and pretty!!!!..take that home and calculate it Cheesy

.... ;p

Aaah, that's ok then, you win the interwebs with your indisputable facts. I don't have a friend who paid $900 for something that you can "kill" with two Gridseeds... Roll Eyes

DrTimoto

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So the gridseeds allows me to mine both BTC and LTC? how much wattage does it use for both? and individually?

jamieb81

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 17, 2014, 07:23:37 PM

Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 07:06:47 PM

I wish here it was that price, I'm paying 0.17$ and that's ex taxes and a whole bunch of other robbery.

so to get this cost effective would need to start right away with 10 units? or less will do?

I think even $0.17 is still in favor of GPU. I calculated a breakeven point a couple of weeks ago, and it was somewhere around $0.25 per kWh to make it worthwhile to replace all my GPUs with Gridseeds, but that was of course based on my assumptions about future profitability, exchange rates, ASCI development etc. YMMV.

like I said 0.17$ is ex taxes so after all that the price would be around 0.28$kw

let's keep the discussion cool, I liked the gridseeds also for their kind and helping community here Wink

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 17, 2014, 07:20:33 PM

Quote from: wolfey2014 on March 17, 2014, 06:55:59 PM

$1.00 per Kilo Hash to get 800KH/s performance

Again with your random shit masked as facts.

By your logic people should have been buying R9 280X for $750 and R9 290 for $900, it was nowhere near that price point even at the height of the boom.

More realistically you would have paid $0.5 or less per KH/s, including all supporting infrastructure - motherboards, risers etc.

If someone was stupid enough to pay $1.0 per KH/s of GPUs then the same kind of people would be buying Gridseeds on eBay for $350.

I love Gridseeds for their relative simplicity, price however is not their strength. Especially with the recent drop in GPU prices.

Jesus Christ SuckMoon! Give it a rest!
Again, my 'logic' .... no logic to it, idiot!
I base what I say on FACT! Not fiction!
I have a friend who paid not $800 but $900 for a super duper video card that runs at 800 bfd KH/s!
Anyway, quit wasting my time trying to be right...
Geesh!
Wolfey2014 ;p

Pea Ess, and I can KILL that $900 GPU with only 2 slightly overclocked GS3355 5 Chip GridSeed's at a fraction of the cost per KW/hr...nice and pretty!!!!..take that home and calculate it Cheesy

.... ;p

jamieb81

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160$ for 500khs but without board, power supply and accessoiries etc.. plus at least 60w of power per gpu

true a gridseed is a bit expensive but it comes complete ready to hook up, that's nice.

like always the pro / con discussion hehe Grin

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Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 07:06:47 PM

I wish here it was that price, I'm paying 0.17$ and that's ex taxes and a whole bunch of other robbery.

so to get this cost effective would need to start right away with 10 units? or less will do?

I think even $0.17 is still in favor of GPU. I calculated a breakeven point a couple of weeks ago, and it was somewhere around $0.25 per kWh to make it worthwhile to replace all my GPUs with Gridseeds, but that was of course based on my assumptions about future profitability, exchange rates, ASCI development etc. YMMV.

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Quote from: wolfey2014 on March 17, 2014, 06:55:59 PM

$1.00 per Kilo Hash to get 800KH/s performance

Again with your random shit masked as facts.

By your logic people should have been buying R9 280X for $750 and R9 290 for $900, it was nowhere near that price point even at the height of the boom.

More realistically you would have paid $0.5 or less per KH/s, including all supporting infrastructure - motherboards, risers etc.

If someone was stupid enough to pay $1.0 per KH/s of GPUs then the same kind of people would be buying Gridseeds on eBay for $350.

I love Gridseeds for their relative simplicity, price however is not their strength. Especially with the recent drop in GPU prices.

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It's for the children!

Quote from: richmke on March 17, 2014, 06:44:45 PM

Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:28 PM

So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

Right now, it is marginally profitable with GPU, but totally profitable with Gridseed. Prices on GPU's are coming down because of the lack of profitability.

Yes, GPU's will retain some of their value, but when everyone is selling ...

If you have more than $2,000 to invest, then Gridseed is definitely the way to go. There are serious power and cooling issues when you try to scale up with GPU rigs.

My first miner was a GPU rig, since I already had most of the equipment, and only needed to add a gpu. I figured it was a cheap way to get a high end graphics card. I could not find a path to putting together more GPU rigs. Due to power and cooling constraints, Gridseed is the only way I can add more hashing power.

I prefer GPU rigs. $160=500Kh/s and I can build them rackable or pretty

I was shocked when I ran the leasing chart for gridseeds though .0029 B/Mh/Day after 1 year. Hosting these things is cheap as can be compared to space power and hardware sucking GPU's

I'm still betting on another GPU wave just like last time. GPU prices plummet as new scrypt asics are released. GPU's start to flood on the market. Things go along like BTC asic days. Then Boom another set of algos or something random comes up and GPU value spikes again. The addition of NVIDIA cards to mining should help the downturn and eventual upturn.

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I wish here it was that price, I'm paying 0.17$ and that's ex taxes and a whole bunch of other robbery.

so to get this cost effective would need to start right away with 10 units? or less will do?

suchmoon

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Quote from: richmke on March 17, 2014, 06:44:45 PM

marginally profitable with GPU

It depends a lot on where you are. GPU is more than marginally profitable at 0.10 USD/kWh, in fact the cost savings of using Gridseed instead of e.g. 750 Ti won't pay for it in a year, or maybe ever if you consider GPU resale value and its adaptability to alternative algorithms.

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Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:28 PM

So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

Ahh! Decisions decisions!
Those GPU people don't want you to know how bad they feel having spent on average, $1.00 per Kilo Hash to get 800KH/s performance. They also don't want you to know how bad they feel about their extremely expensive, fancy GPU's being used as glorified space heaters! They burn wattage like there's no tomorrow while our little beauties run nice and cool by comparison! Especially when we're only mining S-Crypt.
Our cost per KH/s is a LOT lower, our beloved GS5's run cooler, they cost less and they make more money on average than GPU's do. They don't require a motherboard, memory, CPU, etc. etc. to run. They sit all nice and pretty on practically any surface all by themselves. Oh, and they look really cool too!
Just my .00025btc...
Stick with the GS5's. They are your best bet IMO!
Wolfey2014 Wink

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Quote from: richmke on March 17, 2014, 06:44:45 PM

Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:28 PM

So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

Right now, it is marginally profitable with GPU, but totally profitable with Gridseed. Prices on GPU's are coming down because of the lack of profitability.

Yes, GPU's will retain some of their value, but when everyone is selling ...

If you have more than $2,000 to invest, then Gridseed is definitely the way to go. There are serious power and cooling issues when you try to scale up with GPU rigs.

My first miner was a GPU rig, since I already had most of the equipment, and only needed to add a gpu. I figured it was a cheap way to get a high end graphics card. I could not find a path to putting together more GPU rigs. Due to power and cooling constraints, Gridseed is the only way I can add more hashing power.

Thanks, yes I also have the problem with power being very expensive where I am, so looking at how much a gridseed uses is a big +

what would be the minimum amount of miner units to start with ?

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Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:28 PM

So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

Right now, it is marginally profitable with GPU, but totally profitable with Gridseed. Prices on GPU's are coming down because of the lack of profitability.

Yes, GPU's will retain some of their value, but when everyone is selling ...

If you have more than $2,000 to invest, then Gridseed is definitely the way to go. There are serious power and cooling issues when you try to scale up with GPU rigs.

My first miner was a GPU rig, since I already had most of the equipment, and only needed to add a gpu. I figured it was a cheap way to get a high end graphics card. I could not find a path to putting together more GPU rigs. Due to power and cooling constraints, Gridseed is the only way I can add more hashing power.

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Quote from: jamieb81 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:28 PM

So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

I think you need to decide whether you're in (mining) or not. If you try to wait for the next better ASIC you might be waiting forever, as there is always going to be something better in the near future. If you just buy the current Gridseed and try to hold it forever, you might lose money. You need to either commit to the race and keep upgrading when something new and better comes out, or take a different approach, maybe invest in coins instead of mining them, or maybe rent hosted mining equipment. In any case you need to calculate your own ROI, based on your costs, your risk tolerance, your potential capacity etc.

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Quote from: Yottabyte on March 17, 2014, 06:00:24 PM

I may have figured it out... uninstalling driver and choosing to delete driver software worked for one... now for the other 9... Tongue

Thank you
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Yep your welcome
If you need the st drivers they are here

dekar.wc3edit.net/st%20website/VCP_Setup.zip

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So I'm really planning to go Gridseed, but want a to be certain to make the good move

on alot of other forums/chats they dont seem so hot about the Gridseed's saying that they are too expensive

and that a GPU will be better because it can be sold again etc etc etc..

But what I like the most is the low watt usage as kw/h here in spain is so high! I cannot see myself using a 1000w rig

I do have to reckon that our gridseeds will be more difficult to sell especially when difficulty rises, and if maybe a new gridseed comes out.

what is you guys realistic opinion?

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I may have figured it out... uninstalling driver and choosing to delete driver software worked for one... now for the other 9... Tongue

Thank you

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Quote from: vabchgent on March 17, 2014, 04:15:19 PM

Quote from: Yottabyte on March 17, 2014, 03:48:38 PM

Have a new problem now, my gridseeds were working in cpuminer, now they arent working with any software and are not showing up as COM ports in device manager anymore, they are showing up as "STM32 Virtual COM Port"......

Did you try to install cgminer and the zadig drivers. Are the st devices showing up under com ports in the devices tree or somewhere else. If there somewhere else re-install the St drivers. should make them com port compatible again. The idea is to remove zadiag drivers and replace them with the st drivers again.

Yes I tried to install the Zadig drivers and I think that is where things got wierd... How do I go about installing the ST drivers again?

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Quote from: Jondozer on March 16, 2014, 08:10:07 PM

Quote from: usao on March 16, 2014, 07:40:52 PM

Quote from: Jondozer on March 16, 2014, 06:49:45 PM

Hey all,

This is my first post here. This thread (and a few others) have been really helpful to me getting 24 gridseeds running on windows 8.1. I wanted to say thanks to all contributing. I have also been searching for a decent #gridseed irc. Not much luck so far, the rooms are small, quiet and/or specific to a store that sells gridseeds. So we started #gridseedmining on freenode.net to share info, specs, builds, tips tricks and workarounds. We'll see if it picks up any popularity.

Anyways, thanks again. Hope to see you all in the channel. #gridseedmining FTW!

Im still looking for a way to get Windows to see these devices. I downloaded the recomended cpuminer from page 1, but the devices don't show up in the device manager under windows. Are there any tricks to getting Windows to recognize these as USB devices?

I went with cgminer 3.7.2 for gridseed listed here:
http://cryptomining-blog.com/1262-download-cgminer-3-7-2-for-windows-scrypt-mining-on-gridseed-5-chip-gc3355-asics/

and followed the instructions to replace the drivers. There are some quirks, though, as others have mentioned. You have to plug in or enable the miners AFTER you start cgminer, and occasionally the quit returning shares and you have to start the miner over. I'm going to try bfgminer too.

maybe use bfgminer instead? does not need the replacement of any driver

http://cryptomining-blog.com/1396-download-bfgminer-3-10-0-for-windows-scrypt-mining-on-gridseed-5-chip-asics/

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Quote from: Yottabyte on March 17, 2014, 03:48:38 PM

Have a new problem now, my gridseeds were working in cpuminer, now they arent working with any software and are not showing up as COM ports in device manager anymore, they are showing up as "STM32 Virtual COM Port"......

Did you try to install cgminer and the zadig drivers. Are the st devices showing up under com ports in the devices tree or somewhere else. If there somewhere else re-install the St drivers. should make them com port compatible again. The idea is to remove zadiag drivers and replace them with the st drivers again.

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