Topic: Guns - page 14. (Read 22189 times)

50% you say?

I was going off that other chart, which explicitly notes that NJ & PA are included in the NYC stats.  That said, let's take a good look at the link data above...

Kentucky Louisville Metro Population 637,428     Aggragate violent crime rate 585.8 Per 100K population
New York New York         Population 8,336,002  Aggragate violent crime rate 581.7 Per 100K population

Based upon that number alone, your odds of becoming any kind of violent crime victim in Louisville are slightly higher than NYC but roughly 13 times as many such crimes are committed in NYC than Louisville.  The number of licensed handgun owners in NYC (excluding current & former cops) is less than 1%, while more than 10% of the adult population in Louisville has a license just to carry concealed because open carry doesn't require a license.  So what does it take to get such comparable numbers?  NYC has 36K uniformed police officers, or rougly one cop per 232 people. (source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department)  Meanwhile, Louisville has no numbers that I can find published, but there is this...http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/09/safest-us-cities-may-suprise-you/1

Also, your reference data notes that aggravated assualt is more than 50% more likely in NYC than Louisville Ky (327.6 per 100K in NYC versus 290.2 per 100K in Louisville) and this obviously only includes reported crimes, hard to say how many such crimes occur and go unreported (or improperly recorded) in either locale.
 

/sigh...

Very well...

Shall we use the more precise term "damage"?

Sweden is slightly larger then NYC with a homogenized culture. In US we still have white vs black vs hispanic vs asians thing going on.

Tiny Hawaii have less murder rate than Sweden :-) There are also few other states like that - New Hampshire (1.3mil), Vermont (600k).., Let me actually get a chart - murder rate vs population size.

"Hurt" is an ambiguous word.

Just for fun: create tables of criminals statistics for sweden: http://statistik.bra.se/solwebb/action/index

Killings by gun 2011 (per 100 000):  <0.5  (margin of error 0.5)
Killings by any means 2011 (per 100 000): 2   (margin of error 0.5)

I've personally never seen a handgun, except in military service and the ones the police are carrying. I never seen a drawn gun ever, except in shooting ranges.


Last year Swedish customs seized 20 illegals guns, a huge increase compared to earlier years, leading to new laws.

You don't read too well, do you?

What do you define by maximum liberty?

Where do you put a stop:

Driving on a highway over 100mph?
Or a loud party with boom boxes blasting at 4am?
If a guy had sex infront of your child on a public street or his backyard.

Oh, the "move to Somalia" meme...   Place is a shithole, place was a shithole before anarchy, is still a shithole, but a much better shithole. imagine how much better Somalia would be if they had started off not a shithole.

Now as to me only being concerned with myself... Of course I am the most important person to me (with the possible exception of my SO and our soon-to-be daughters). Are you not the most important person to you? Here's the thing: I want liberty. I want peace. I want to be able to do anything I want, so long as I don't hurt anyone else. But in order to get that for me, I have to advocate it for you, too. It's really simple: the best way to ensure that I have maximum liberty is to ensure that everyone has maximum liberty.


lol... stupid gun store clerk, stupid criminals, stupid risk that paid off pretty well. I amend my previous statement to don't usually get robbed.

Most of NYC is privately owned. So don't tell us what do do. If we want to forbid guns, well it's our choice.

:-)

There are actually many different types of Anarchism, so you can't safely assume that all anarchists would find Somalia a desireable place to live. All anarchy means is "no rulers", not chaos. Most of the anarchists on this forum are "anarcho-capitalists".

You might as well suggest statists move to North Korea.

I posted wiki link.... It has NYC by itself, NYC isn't really police state. I would say our cops are much more sane than the rest of the country. You are more likely to get abused by a cop in Long Island than in NYC.

Wiki link again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

While that is impressive, it's distorted in the same way that Cincinnati's stats are distorted.  No rational person considers the surrounding suburbs and exurbs to be "the city".  Remove NJ & PA stats from the mix and where does NYC actually fall?  Probably not bad, in any case; a police state does have it's pratical effects, but I still wouldn't want to live there.  And like I said, I've known people that were born there, and I've known people that moved there; and none that I've known have recommended living there.

EDIT: As an example, I've lived in the city most of my life (and yes, Louisville is a real city, about the same size in both population and land area as Washington, DC.) and I was 32 before I had even met anyone that had been mugged in Louisville, and he was a mildly retarded and occasionally homeless man that was targeted while sleeping in a public park.  I've yet to meet anyone else that has ever been mugged here.  On the other side, I lived in Cincinnati for 12 years, and had my car broken into three times.  (I've never been robbed or vandalized living in Louisville)  While I was never mugged in Cincinnati myself, I've known half a dozen personally who where mugged, two in the parking lot of my apprenticeship school parking lot after class.

One thing this thread has taught me is that anyone can find data to suit their viewpoint. Thus, I'm going to avoid small studies and/or minute, focused pieces of data.

Fairly certain that you're wrong.

NYC at 252.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Another Hawker is born? Ignore list entry #2 added.


1: NYC's population is 40% of the state's combined population. That's almost 8,244,910 living under the most brutal level of tyranny in the state and forced to pay a tax/bribe, be a criminal or be a defenseless victim.
2: Fun Fact: Buffalo, NYC, and the rest of New York State do not have to issue any subject a carry license by law. The only way to guarantee this is to bribe the right people. Rights denied=tyranny, criminals' utopia.
3: Every government has every reason in the world to fudge its crime rates, and I've witnessed crimes and police responses NEVER making it into the detailed stats, down to time, place, and incident type (convictions not required). It's surprising 100% of them don't lie their asses off, as there's really no penalty for doing so.



"Highly secure" my fucking ass. Highly secure for mass murderers to kill with impunity while it takes minutes for LEOs to arrive, more like.


According to NYC and criminals who want ovine patronage, /rolleyes

Must be great to be a cop in NYC! You can violate every human, civil, constitutional right with effective impunity, and some people will deny the fact that it's a police state until their final breath. What reason could they possibly have for rejecting reality and substituting their own? Stockholm Syndrome? Benefiting from tyranny?


And you apparently only care about mob rule and ensuring the "majority" (as claimed by tyrannical governments) can be as evil as it wants, which cannot invalidate inherent human rights. Follow that logic to its conclusion and the majority would be able to choose whether innocents live or die, be raped or not, be maimed or not, lose every bit of property they own or not; that could not possibly be more repugnantly inhuman.

I can't find NYC, where is it's ranking?  I did find my city at 153, putting it higher than Cincinnati, Ohio.  I've lived there too, and I've got to call BS on that as well.  They must be using some kind of adjustment for urban size or population density, because there has never been a day that Louisville was more dangerous than Cincinnati.

EDIT:  Ah, I see.  They are including Middletown, Ohio and the 5 counties in Northern Kentucky that are generally regarded as the "greater metro area" of Cincinnati in those stats.  Middletown is fairly safe, but those five northern Kentucky counties are incrediblely safe, completely throwing off those averages.  So safe, in fact, that the Cincinnati International Airport was deliberately built in Kentucky; which often confuses travelers.

Then you're missing the big pictures. I chose where I want to live, I vote for what I believe for. If majority wants one way, well it becomes a law. Don't like - plenty of states to move in to. If you're an anarchist, you're welcome to immigrate to Somalia. I don't think you're good a guy anyway - you only care about yourself.



He was stopped with five bullets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnap0_Xb7Hk



http://www.morganquitno.com/xcit06pop.htm#500,000+
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2010/Metro_crime_ranking_2010-2011_hightolow.pdf

 
Let start taking you apart:

I'm against federal and state regulations. They do nothing, except disarm the good guys.


It's not a moot point, because if he had gone into the showers, he would have been stopped when he came out, or by someone in the locker room.


And the movie theater prohibited guns. Ever wonder why gun stores don't get robbed?


Stats?