Topic: Guns - page 11. (Read 22194 times)

Where is 2.2 number came from? Because uh well, I can do some real mixing of statistics. I think I already proved my mad skillz.

Because I can easily uh get a number of people that were apprehended by cops every year....

Average deaths in incidents where the shooter was apprehended by a proactive citizen: 2.2

Thanks to the folks over at the Silver Circle movie for the heads-up, and all the stats.

You guys just had to. Ugh.

Well, I'd thought about it earlier but hadn't wanted to resurrect this thread. Might as well toss this into the mix now, since we all really know this is much less about disarming criminals (ha!) than about disarming the average, innocent citizen:

http://www.webpronews.com/gunsmith-uses-3d-printer-to-make-a-rifle-2012-07

(Funny how the original article seems to have disappeared....)

    1966
    Charles Joseph Whitman kills his mother and his wife, and the following day climbed a clock tower at the University of Texas and picked off passers by with a sniper riffle. 15 dead and 31 injured. Charles was shot and killed by Austin police.

    1997
    Luke Woodham slit’s his mother’s throat and entered Pearl High School in Mississippi with a rifle. 3 dead and 7 injured total. As he fled the scene he was confronted by vice principal Joel Myrick who had retrieved a handgun from his trunk, and was roaming the school looking for the killer. Myrick apprehended Luke without firing and held him until authorities arrived. Investigators later learned that Luke intended to go to Pearl Middle School next.

    1997
    Satanist Michael Carneal opens fire on a small prayer group killing three and injuring 5 before being tackled by another student.

    1998
    Andrew Wurst takes a pistol to a middle school dance, killing a teacher and wounding 3 others. James Strand, a local merchant, apprehended Andrew with a shotgun without firing and held him until authorities arrived.

    1999
    Eric Harris, and Dylan Klebold kill 13 people and wound 24 at Columbine High School in Littleton Colorado. What many people do not know is that Columbine high school had an armed security guard on staff who stayed outside while the attacks when on, and once police arrived they stood outside the library while execution style murders happened right inside.

    2002
    Peter Odighizuwa takes a semiautomatic handgun to Appalacian Law School in Grundy Virginia. He kills 3 and injures 3, starting with the dean. Three students, Mikael Gross, Ted Besen, and Tracy Bridges, all retrieved handguns from their cars and apprehended him without firing.

    2007
    Seung-hui Cho opened fire inside the West Ambler Johnston Hall of Virginia Tech. Authorities apprehend the boyfriend of one of the victims. Meanwhile Cho walks over to Norris Hall and opens fire two hours later. 33 dead in all.

    2012
    Also in Aurora, Colorado, convicted felon Kiarron Parker entered the parking lot of a church and opened fire. He killed one person before being shot and killed himself by another member of the congregation who was carrying concealed… but you didn’t see that story on the news.

    2012
    And now this recent attack. James Holmes goes into a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colorado and opens fire with an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle. 12 people were killed, 59 were wounded, making this the largest mass shooting in US history.

Perhaps you should start another thread for that, and I'll follow.

So you didn't actually learn any real science then? That's as I thought. When you're ready, real science within the fields of ecology and biology are available to you. Truly a shame. I hope when you converted to a non-greenie, it wasn't due to the brownlash put forth by the libertarian think tanks, which don't actually do science.

 I hope you're aware of their true nature. Are you? Do you know of Frederick Seitz? How about the Oregon Petition? Are you familiar with the libertarian think tank known as the Heartland Institute, and their sham of a publication entitled "Environment and Climate News"? Do you know that its editor is not qualified for the title, since he is in fact a lawyer for property rights? Is these types of organizations and their publications where you "furthered" your education? I'm fully prepared to address how you came about your "seeing the light", so to speak, if you're willing. There truly is no limit to the depths we can go, all with verifiable sources.

I'm sincerely sorry for the thread derail, but if you wish to volunteer comments within your debate about your graduation from being green, then be prepared to address what that really means.

I honestly believed the b.s. at the time...

I suspected something like this. It's just as I said. A hardcore "greenie" as a teen would be because it was cool and all that - not because you actually learned anything about ecology, ecosystems, etc. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I suspect you can't, because if you could prove me wrong with accurate knowledge regarding the subject, it seems unlikely that you would have then just "grew up" as you described it. One doesn't learn scientific knowledge, biology, ecology, and so on, and then just unlearn it for the sake of growing up.

What are you doing pushing your idiocy on this thread? Don't you have a thread specifically for educating us on the dangers of the market system to the environment? Get to it.

I suspected something like this. It's just as I said. A hardcore "greenie" as a teen would be because it was cool and all that - not because you actually learned anything about ecology, ecosystems, etc.

Oh, no.  I was never one for fads.  I was a hardcore greenie as a teen, my father was quick to make fun of me and my views.  If your father was a wise man, eventually you will start to echo him also.

His response last time I used this argument was "The police aren't there to protect you, they enforce the law. You want protection, call the national guard".

 

But, but... {tyrannical pro-criminal safety advocacy here}!

You tried to prove that CCW reduce crime and failed miserably. I said multiple times that guns have no effect on crime. Stop putting words in my mouth that I haven't said.

{facepalm} Really, dude?  Do I need to go back and quote you?  I mentioned Toronto first, but you were certainly the one that implied that Toronto was more diverse than Louisville.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1049484

edit: since I've been to Toronto multiple times, I kinda had a feeling that its more diverse than Louisville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto#Cultural_diversity

Also there are lot of eastern european slavs in Toronto that were counted as white, a lot of them don't speak English and live in their communities. Same as Brighton Beach in NYC.