Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 304. (Read 880816 times)

Here is a suggestion.

Among the customers in batch 1;
 * there has been a bunch of different versions of the TOS used for the purchases
 * some has played in BTC, some in USD

Therefore, our circumstances are not exactly the same.

In a best-case situation (from HF's POV), this might stop us from acting in a coordinated way.
If we fragment our resources and purchase several different (mutually exclusive) strategies, we are decreasing our own changes to win. That way, we could do exactly what they prefer us doing.

I have a better idea. I propose sharing the costs and the winnings among the same group.
That means that even though I have paid in BTC, if we win, and I get my BTC back, I am willing to share it with those who have paid in USD.

Basically, I say we should pool all our resources, as far as the no-class-action clause allows it, and do this together. Since this will still result in multiple lawsuits, we will probably win some of the causes, and loose some others. I say we should just collect all the earnings, and share them evenly among those who are willing to participate in this action, and share the costs.

That way, it would not matter what the exact version of your TOS was; we are all in the same boat.

What do you say?

To clarify: my pledge above goes "live" if we can find a significant number of people who are willing to work together, accepting the same rules. I am not yet able to specify any threshold numbers, but I think you get the point.

I have never validated this information (so I don't know how accurate it is) but according to this poster, PayPal reportedly handles refunds (for purchases where a currency conversion has taken place) by issuing the refund using the exchange rate at the time of purchase.

Helpful to HF B1 customers or not I don't know, but if true it leads me to question all the posters who say things like "refunds are always handle with conversion rate at the refund date"


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2542356

Given the fact that they keep changing it without updating the version string, I think we should collect the snapshot time, too.

(So that we have an exact date/time, and the corresponding text together.)

We should collect both the versions sent out in mails, and any direct web snapshots made by any savvy users.

If we have a full collection, I intend to upload the texts to Github, so that we can easily generate difference reports between any pair of versions, and have a clean changelog of what has been edited and when.

Has no one read the "limitations on liability" section?

thanx for that 

This is mine. It's probably useless, but yet, here it is.

http://pastebin.com/XbreSGVV

ive got version 1.B
http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf

version 1.F
http://pastebin.com/SFzPH8AK

if anyone has any other versions post them see if we can get them added to
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--391251

I would like to know if anyone has a snapshot of the ToS around the end of August (like 28 of August). I'm not talking about the ToS they emailed us.

Thanks.

The only reason why you should not attempt a class action is if you think the ToS to be there to protect you and you want to enforce what they wrote on it. Points such as full refunds of the payment and payments that are specified to be made in BTC.

i don't understand why we cant do a class action suit, since scamfast is intent on invalidating their own ToS.
any previous agreements we have with scamfast will be null n void, including that stupid arbitration clause

just a note as a bfl person who got scammed....bfl has had bbb and ftc which then forwarded it to the local gov't attorney for the county bfl is in ...this is where ftc in usa is sending this stuff ..goes no place the local county attorney is not gonna shut down a multi million dollar corp in its county....also did a direct bid to the high council of paypal fraud officers..some got refunds but such a flood paypal stopped that in like a week and yanked paypal from bfl

in the usa the regulators are basically saying 'you got your unit 9 months or 12 months late go away" time frame late makes no difference

also why no one can get enough traction with lawyers to do a class action suit.....lawyers not interested because 'eventually' may take 1yr bfl will get you an asic unit

so in usa the regulators are asleep at the switch...

just saying you may have same issues with hashfast stuff

I do know that some folk in EU DID get refunds because consumer protection is better ...just saying as applies to usa ...I went thru all this

also people have be 'successful' and won small claims court actions ...bfl just sends them a unit 1 year late or ignores it .......hard to enforce such judgments

anyway hopefully all the above won't apply and you will get your stuff or refunds or extra hash etc

Searing

If we do a group action against HF we give up to any of the "protections" of the MPP. Not that i care anymore, i'm almost sure that i will refuse the shipment and sue the hell out of them. It's the only rationale solution. I will ask and report back anyway. Thanks for asking.

Another option: http://www.ripoffreport.com/

Here's an interesting tidbit: Of the 12 images generated via Google for 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX, 1/3 of them are directly rated to me.

once you see details of their Miner Protection Plan and refund details all your fears will melt away.

Look at all the red 
everytime i see another person add something makes my day a little brighter

It's not like there were a million TOS versions. The vast majority of all Batch 1 orders should basically correspond to the same TOS. In any case, all TOS indicate refund of payment, NOT partial refunds of payments or USD conversion crap.

The last communication I had was with John via a PM on bitcointalk:


This clearly requested payment in BTC with no reference whatsoever to USD.

We all paid different amounts by different means and at different times (and are thus subject to different TOS).
We all have different records of our transactions with HashFast so it is not really possible to put up a united front on getting full BTC refunds.
If Cedivad, actually sues and wins his case, it will not, by any means, guaranty that anyone else will win their slightly different cases.

But one thing seems to be clear: the end of October delivery date was never a possibility and was actually fraudulent false advertising that affects us all equally.

The damage that that false advertising has cost us is the amount of BTC that we have lost from getting our machines delivered in January (hopefully) rather than October, and can easily be computed^(*) (once we know for sure how fast the machines are, and when the actual delivery occurs).

I suggest that we get together to sue HashFast for that amount (plus punitive damages?).


Cedivad, what does your lawyer think of that?


^(*) I estimate the amount lost due to late delivery to be around 22BTC, assuming overclocking to 500GH/s and an early January delivery.

feel for ya guys...good luck