Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 312. (Read 880479 times)

do we have a full list of all email addresses fo HF batch 1 customers? this information above is very important! no one should sign or agree to this new HF extension of the original TOS!

They do kick ass however. Thanks for clearing this up  

Guys, I guess hashfast has NO working miners except whatever is running on the account they leaked publicly.

that's become really incredible... anyone have a shipping date ??

Because you bought garbage? For 30x what it will ever return in BTC? From a company that lies?

Just sayin.

I operate Eligius.

Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.

-wk

ALSO WHY ASK FOR REFUND??

this is very important, if you sign a contract agreeing to the new terms, you are screwed. That is why this is worded this way.
PLEASE DON'T EVER DO THIS!  IF THEY SAY YOU WON'T GET A REFUND UNLESS YOU SIGN THEY ARE LYING.

If you paid in BTC, only accept that exact amount of BTC in refund. We have seen proof that the policy was in place when orders were made.

Exchange rates should not even factor into refunds. If there was an exchange from BTC to USD then HF took that exchange risk. Not us.

OF COURSE IS CORRECT

first off all! to everybody! DO NOT accept the procedure according the HF email!


it is a agreement and if you sign it HF is on the save side! the only goal of HF ist to get as many customers as they can to sign this.

request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC! do this immeditaly after 31 Dec if they fail to deliver. accept NO OTHER agreement and let them know this fact!

My little point of view:
This company is made of scammers that are there to scam. Full point. You won't be able to get anything out of them using good manners. You need to get a lawyer and go to litigation against them. We can't even get a sincere information about the performance of the chips, hell.

People who paid in USD paid in USD, i think that they are lucky because now they can decide whatever to get a full USD refund or the miners.
People who paid in BTC will have to go trough endless pain to get their BTC back. And from what i understand, not many are ready for that.

I think that i will go on against them legally with a tiny group of trusted persons. It will be 1 guy that i trust and i've know for a long time and maybe another user of this forum, if he is willed to accept it (i don't think so).

I also think that WE need to find a lawyer willed to take individual actions for every customer. It will be a lot of work, but worth it. We need to defend everyone with small orders, they can't be left on their own against the Giant (David and Goliath, you know the story, right?).

WE need to cooperate. But we also need to proceed individually AND in group if we can't individually against this HF.

Only if you send this delegation.

Okay, so this post may offend a little, but...

Now that you guys who paid with BTC are (predictably) in the same boat as us guys who paid in USD (i.e. at best you can hope for USD value back), is there more willingness to cooperate in making demands of Hashfast?

It seems to me that you can:

a) stomp and rage and try to get the same BTC back, probably just huffing and puffing here or, at best, winding up in court, or;

b) accept whatever deal Hashfast decides to impose on you (i.e. keep bending over and taking it), or;

c) all of us work together to force the bastards to release more and faster hashpower under the MPP to all of us.

I have been advocating greater cooperation for a while.  But this BTC refund issue has gotten in the way.

I vote for "C".  And I think we should contact all of the customers (we have their e-mails), and as many of us as will join should collectively go to Hashfast and make demands. Agree among ourselves on a position (say, 8x MPP by 1 March), sign a letter together, and then send a delegation to San Francisco (maybe D&T, if he would volunteer, to head it) to sit down the management and have a little chat.

I think "C" is really the only option for those who don't want to bend over and who are not truly prepared to sue for BTC refunds.  And, of note, I see no reason why engaging with Hashfast in this manner now would impede anyone's potential ability to allege fraud in a court of law with regard to to October delivery or the terms of the MPP at a later date (well, reasonably close later date).

i agree its pretty useless but if it stops only 1 person from getting scammed from Hashfast.
Then ill feel a little better.

feel free to do the same with simon, john, amy and hashfast_cl they were all in on the scam aswell

uhhh.. bitcointalk.org: 

what website?

i just filled the trust thingy stuff out too... not that it is worth a damn

we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money 

Excellent precedent for all the lawsuits that hashfast will be getting into. The order amounts should be small enough for small claims court, easy for anyone to do. I would hope you can provide the entire email for verification in the future by other peoples lawyers etc.

Get your complaints written up people, submit them to the FTC, AG, FBI Internet crime center, etc. don't bother with bbb, they don't do anything to help but pester.

Edit thanks for the edit.

Discovery in a lawsuit will reveal that they sent that email, deleting or altering their records will end the case for them quickly, if they are stupid enough to destroy evidence.

jjiimm_64, thanks, and i own you a deep apology. I'm sorry.
I don't understand where that email comes from. Could someone help? (what's the server sending them? I get nothing out of whois)