HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 324.

ImI

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Ok, so let me get this straight.

A company says "we will offer you a full btc refund if we fail to ship" and you are saying I should not expect them to live up to that? Why should I expect something other than that which was advertised?

it depends WHEN to expect them to live up to that. i can see that you bought the BJs in expectation to trigger a BTC refund past 31. dec.

but i say its naive to expect them at this BTC to be able to buy back enough BTC to offer refunds for their batch#1 customers. those BTC are effectively gone.
advertised or not doesnt matter, no BTC is being sent from heaven for being advertised for sometime in summer.

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So what is your position within the company to make statements on their behalf?

lol! tinfoil incoming.

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If they don't have the funds, I would be very happy. If this company declared bankrupcy their mask would go up for auction. I would be more than happy to take access to the mask in exchange for 61 BTC.

that COULD be an option, but i doubt that anyone will have their hands on those masks anytime soon. in summer/fall 2014 those masks wont be worth much imo. and that would mean that the court is REALLY fast. more realistic would be 2015 and then you can wipe **** with those masks.

miaviator

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It's for the children!

I wonder what the argument would be if the price of BTC had tanked?

Would anyone be complaining about refunds in USD?

Or would we all still want lower value BTC in return?

ninjarobot

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This hole is getting deeper and deeper.

Instead of delivering a product we just got more excuses and our personal details leaked?

Should I bend over some more?

ImI

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Quote from: perezoso on December 27, 2013, 08:51:22 PM

Quote from: ImI on December 27, 2013, 08:49:37 PM

of course those chips are already ordered, anything else would be bad news. but those chips will arrive early february at best i guess and are limited in numbers. you cant just decide to get 800% MPP instead of 400%. learn to deal with realities.

Well, we actually don't know the reality. They could have ordered more, less, earlier, later. But if a large percentage of Batch 1 asked the question directly, we might find out the facts. This would have great bearing on a reasonable solution.

maybe, but the MPP order was a pretty big one. 550 BJ means 500GHx4x550. thats alot, you dont double that amount just for fun.

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Quote from: ImI on December 27, 2013, 08:49:37 PM

of course those chips are already ordered, anything else would be bad news. but those chips will arrive early february at best i guess and are limited in numbers. you cant just decide to get 800% MPP instead of 400%. learn to deal with realities.

Well, we actually don't know the reality. They could have ordered more, less, earlier, later. But if a large percentage of Batch 1 asked the question directly, we might find out the facts. This would have great bearing on a reasonable solution.

ImI

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I ordered from this company because of the full btc refund guarantee.

your reasoning doesnt matter. there are no BTCs to gather. and not enough $-funds to buy BTC at this price level. so no BTC refunds, if you like it or not.

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They already said MPP chips were already ordered and were different than batch #2.

of course those chips are already ordered, anything else would be bad news. but those chips will arrive early february at best i guess and are limited in numbers. you cant just decide to get 800% MPP instead of 400%. learn to deal with realities.

perezoso

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That is already pretty clear.

#1) Full BTC Refunds

Except that there are a number of people that paid in USD, including at least one guy in this thread that paid over $100,000 USD. So, do you mean that people who paid the equivalent - at the date of sale - of BTC 60 for a BJ should be refunded BTC 60? Or $700 x 60 = $42,000? If so, I agree. If not, then we have a division between people who paid USD and people who paid BTC. And it may be unrealistic.

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#2) MPP Shipped with the BJ

We know they can't literally ship at the same time, but we can certainly - if we work together - obtain more information on their delivery schedules and make them a proposal.

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#3) 800% MPP shipped before Feb 1

At this point, this is really the same question as #2. I agree that both are possible solutions, we need to know more about what's happening behind the scenes.

ImI

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Quote from: stex2009 on December 27, 2013, 08:36:39 PM

Puncture their delivery trucks, Disconnect electricity connection to their factory (house). Do something guys. I know you all need a refund!

i need no $-refund

ImI

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#1) Full BTC Refunds

you should start to realize, there are no BTCs to refund. those BTC got changed to $ and invested. nothing to gather here.

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#2) MPP Shipped with the BJ

and what chips are to be used for this MPP shipment? no chips, no MPP. the next batch of chips will be from batch#2 customers. what do you propose here? do you think it would be fair to fuck batch#2 customers now, just that you can congratulate yourself to have taken the right decisions?

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#3) 800% MPP shipped before Feb 1

same as 2.)

chips dont fall from trees, they have to be ordered and produced months in advance. so no such thing as "800% MPP shipped before Feb 1" to happen anytime soon.

stex2009

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Puncture their delivery trucks, Disconnect electricity connection to their factory (house). Do something guys. I know you all need a refund!

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Quote from: cedivad on December 27, 2013, 07:58:56 PM

We should also ask why their puppet pointed us to that eligius address in the first moment, it's in fact a strange address that is growing a lot - their goal is to have us to lose time, money and strenght over something useless, like the emails or if they are mining with our hardware or not.

How many times must I tell you, I'm not their puppet.

perezoso

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Sigh.

So long as everybody lives out their own fantasy about what Hashfast is up to - paranoid or not - we're at their mercy.

Rather than each theorizing about what evil plot is in the making, if we instead focused on agreeing among ourselves about what corrective action should be taken...

cedivad

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They have created the mess they wanted, even in this thread. They are some first class devils. Crossposting a good post:

Quote from: jspielberg on December 27, 2013, 07:55:56 PM

It is clear that HF can be very productive when its THEIR profit on the line.

There is a sick fascination for how efficiently they are minimizing their losses and maximizing ours. I fully expect that the growth of the eligius address to increase to ~285TH (a complete 550 Baby Jets + the 10TH they started off with). I think the Rev2 board thing is a smoke screen... they just want to mine the crap out of the machines up until the very last moment of their deadline. They are looking at >~125BTC a day at full strength, and I don't expect any of them being shipped early.

We should also ask why their puppet pointed us to that eligius address in the first moment, it's in fact a strange address that is growing a lot - their goal is to have us to lose time, money and strenght over something useless, like the emails or if they are mining with our hardware or not.

What needs to be discussed is:

1) EXWORK vs DELIVERED. I've still to hear back from my lawyer about this, and it is incredibly important. We can't just choose one option in a non rationale way.
2) More proofs of BTC refunds. Is ninjarobot ready to testify pro us in court what they said when he went to visit? Why jjiimm_64 can't share any info about it's mistery email (i asked him if he could share it with a mod).

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Quote from: DPoS on December 27, 2013, 07:50:29 PM

do you really think they were mining now?? they can't even get anything to work and even if they did where the hell would they set them all up so fast to mine??

They said Rev 0 sucked and they now received Rev2 so it is safe to assume that Rev1 fixed some of the problem but not all. I found it interesting in the other thread how unstable the miners were on whomever's Eligius account the person had posted. I would appreciate HashFast coming out of stating categorically that the Eligius account posted by the member is NOT associated with HashFast nor their chips in any way and the timing (and apparent instability of the boards that are hashing) are coincidental.

I think that would put everyone at ease.

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Clueless!

Quote from: DPoS on December 27, 2013, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: Searing on December 27, 2013, 07:48:46 PM

my 2c worth
Searing

did you really not read the other pages before you wrote that? this isn't the knc thread, people can keep up

er sorry my impression was that information was scarce up to that posting....of my meager poke thru this thread is lacking

no disrespect......

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Quote from: Minor Miner on December 27, 2013, 07:47:14 PM

fubly;
delete your post, I get what you are trying to do but it is not really cool to post 92 personal emails regardless of the blur.
I think your point is that this email was sent to all the customers not just the 300 or so (remember someone bought 200 of the 550 units) Batch I purchasers.
Yes, I think we can all agree that is the case without you posting the picture.

done!

I want only to show, that they realy do that BS

Better?

cedivad

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Quote from: minternj on December 27, 2013, 07:50:33 PM

No, they sent the email out in batches. Seems to me from the batches there are more than 500 customers.

lol @ "startup"

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Quote from: Minor Miner on December 27, 2013, 07:47:14 PM

fubly;
delete your post, I get what you are trying to do but it is not really cool to post 92 personal emails regardless of the blur.
I think your point is that this email was sent to all the customers not just the 300 or so (remember someone bought 200 of the 550 units) Batch I purchasers.
Yes, I think we can all agree that is the case without you posting the picture.

This email was sent to batch 2 customers as well, possibly every customer.

DPoS

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Quote from: Searing on December 27, 2013, 07:48:46 PM

my 2c worth
Searing

did you really not read the other pages before you wrote that? this isn't the knc thread, people can keep up

minternj

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No, they sent the email out in batches. Seems to me from the batches there are more than 500 customers.

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