HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 451.

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Quote from: 3DX4D on November 09, 2013, 07:41:48 AM

This is from their ToS. No refunds until 12/31/13

3. DELIVERY AND QUANTITIES.
(a) Guaranteed Baby Jet Delivery Dates – Batch 1. All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013. If Buyer ordered one or more units of such Baby Jets, and Hashfast does not deliver such units by that date, then Buyer may cancel the undelivered portion of the order at Buyer’s request and Hashfast will refund the payment for the units that Buyer purchased but did not receive and cancelled. This cancellation and refund is Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy for Hashfast failing to deliver by the December 31, 2013 guaranteed delivery date. To avail itself of this remedy, Buyer must cancel the order before such unit(s) are delivered by Hashfast, and in any case before March 31, 2014.

https://hashfast.com/checkout/terms-of-sale/

That's not the original.

Quote from: ninjarobot on November 06, 2013, 01:49:56 AM

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Quote from: ninjarobot on November 05, 2013, 08:53:40 PM

Quote from: tacotime on November 05, 2013, 08:47:19 PM

Still haven't heard back about the refunds :/

Unless HF starts communicating soon and comes up with concrete shipping dates and delay compensation plans I will be asking for a refund on Nov 10. I ordered on the first day and have copies and screenshots of the site, the terms of sale, invoices, receipts, etc. I'm not too worried.

This may have already been done, but could you post your screen shots of the terms of sale and the site from August?

Sure. August 8:

ToS:
http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf

Site:

Notice the lack of the word 'Anticipated' on the site, and the lack of the 'December 31st' date on the ToS.

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Quote from: aneutronic on November 09, 2013, 06:59:50 AM

Quote from: minternj on November 08, 2013, 06:28:11 PM

Quote from: dopamine on November 08, 2013, 03:37:37 PM

So whats the update on refund? I dont see them meeting their next deadline and want a refund? How much BTC are we losing because they lied? If they said end of year shipment or late nov I would of never would think about buying a babyjet... end of oct was a risk but why would a customer take a loss when a company is gonna make millions without even shipping a product?

I'm sure they wouldn't have sold out batch one if they said delivery at mid December. I'm really annoyed, and in the same camp as you. We were deliberately lied to. I don't think they ever were on track for October shipping judging by what progress they have made so far.

Agreed.

There is too much of a delay in delivery. I would like a refund in the currency I purchased with please.

What is the official ruling on the refunds? HF? tacotime? anybody?

This is from their ToS. No refunds until 12/31/13

3. DELIVERY AND QUANTITIES.
(a) Guaranteed Baby Jet Delivery Dates – Batch 1. All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013. If Buyer ordered one or more units of such Baby Jets, and Hashfast does not deliver such units by that date, then Buyer may cancel the undelivered portion of the order at Buyer’s request and Hashfast will refund the payment for the units that Buyer purchased but did not receive and cancelled. This cancellation and refund is Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy for Hashfast failing to deliver by the December 31, 2013 guaranteed delivery date. To avail itself of this remedy, Buyer must cancel the order before such unit(s) are delivered by Hashfast, and in any case before March 31, 2014.

https://hashfast.com/checkout/terms-of-sale/

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Quote from: minternj on November 08, 2013, 06:28:11 PM

Quote from: dopamine on November 08, 2013, 03:37:37 PM

So whats the update on refund? I dont see them meeting their next deadline and want a refund? How much BTC are we losing because they lied? If they said end of year shipment or late nov I would of never would think about buying a babyjet... end of oct was a risk but why would a customer take a loss when a company is gonna make millions without even shipping a product?

I'm sure they wouldn't have sold out batch one if they said delivery at mid December. I'm really annoyed, and in the same camp as you. We were deliberately lied to. I don't think they ever were on track for October shipping judging by what progress they have made so far.

Agreed.

There is too much of a delay in delivery. I would like a refund in the currency I purchased with please.

What is the official ruling on the refunds? HF? tacotime? anybody?

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Quote from: HashFast on November 07, 2013, 07:18:52 PM

Quote from: Visesrion on November 07, 2013, 06:14:14 PM

Now they do not upload this update to their webpage ? Or they do not post the same thing in twitter every 2 hours ?

I suppose they will wait to have the photos of the wafers and then upload them and they wont say a word of the delays. This marketing strategies seems quite ilegal to me. There is no somewhere we can go to at least shut down their webpage so they do not engage someone else ?

They could send us more emails if they want, the updates are useless same as the order chain and the hashfast customer help, so the only reason to have the webpage is to catch up more customers

By the way they will post photos soon... I think this sounds familiar to me....

The shipping dates in the website have been updated.

-The HashFast Team

And here we are still waiting you to post the delay info in your webpage and for the photos

Next joke please...

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 02:47:42 AM

Well I am already setup and payment ready for Hashfasts Next Surprise announcements ( I am not allowed to say what it is but i know of 2 up comiming announcements that will shock everyone ( they are good announcement )

I am still waiting to see the update of the delay in their webpage and the photos as they claim. This is just a complete joke and a big marketing strategy.

I also know some of the future plans of HF and for sure they used to be really promising (just words as usual), but with this huge joke they are playing with us, no thanks.

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 02:07:07 AM

Well You can Pay in BTC or in USD so it dont matter how you calculate it just calculate it in the form you paid,

And what you folks have FAILED to see, and I will be making sure that Hashfast posts to this Thread

You are an idiot and should stay out of the economics of mining. Thank you though for subsidizing the growth of the Bitcoin economy by pumping in money that you are guaranteed to lose.

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I have spoken with them about this throughly

Hence why i placed a VERY VERY large order with them and i did not place that order untill i fully understood the MPP

OK let's play ball and put some numbers down! How big is your VERY VERY large order? Is it more than 4 BabyJets? 8? 20? 200?

How much did you end up paying and at what date?

Let's come back the 1st of April and see how much of that investment in BTC you have recovered by then.

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Quote from: minternj on November 08, 2013, 09:10:50 PM

Quote from: gjpminingco on November 08, 2013, 08:30:57 PM

I wish people would read and fully understand a programs benefits before they whine and complain about a company running behind schedule because they choose not to release a sub-par product that would have just caused problems down the line, and that would have led to people just complaining about that.

Who's complaining about the mpp? Problem is there still isn't a product. Forget about the substrate, they just got the wafer for fucks sake. They straight out lied about shipping date.

i totally agree. Cry

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 02:47:42 AM

Well I am already setup and payment ready for Hashfasts Next Surprise announcements ( I am not allowed to say what it is but i know of 2 up comiming announcements that will shock everyone ( they are good announcement )

You are the perfect pre-order customer. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

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Well I am already setup and payment ready for Hashfasts Next Surprise announcements ( I am not allowed to say what it is but i know of 2 up comiming announcements that will shock everyone ( they are good announcement )

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 02:21:49 AM

Limited to 4x the speed of the miner you bought with the MPP

So if you bought the Sierra's at 1.2th/s that would be up to a max of 4.8th/s PER MINER ORDER

Yeah but you would have paid as much as for another sierra and the MPP modules would only arrive 3+ months later. Possibly a lot later than that, HF is totally mum on when they will ship
For the same money, would you rather have 1 Sierra in ~~november~~ december, or 3 Sierra's in March/April/June if network doubling continues ?
Protip, if doubling continues, a Sierra in March will earn 1/8th of a sierra in December.

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Limited to 4x the speed of the miner you bought with the MPP

So if you bought the Sierra's at 1.2th/s that would be up to a max of 4.8th/s PER MINER ORDER

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 02:07:07 AM

hey take into account ALL the diff's that are in effect during the 90 days that you are mining when figuring how much extra speed it would have taken for you to make ROI

Duh. Of course. But you dont seem to understand that your upgrade is limited to 4x. Difficulty increase over 3+ months is not so limited.

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Well You can Pay in BTC or in USD so it dont matter how you calculate it just calculate it in the form you paid,

And what you folks have FAILED to see, and I will be making sure that Hashfast posts to this Thread

they do not just take into account just 1 diff when doing the calculations

they take into account ALL the diff's that are in effect during the 90 days that you are mining when figuring how much extra speed it would have taken for you to make ROI

I have spoken with them about this throughly

Hence why i placed a VERY VERY large order with them and i did not place that order untill i fully understood the MPP

I guess some people dont know how to ask questions but would rather just jump to conclusions instead fully understanding everything involved before buying and then whine about something that is to their advantage ( that is if they got the MPP with their miner order )

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 01:45:00 AM

No Bottom line the MPP is there to make sure if NOTHING ELSE you atleast you earn what you paid for the miner back

that is what it is there for

can no one see that

they are not gonna pay or credit you extra speed so you can make a profit of $10,000 in the first 90 days, they Came up with the MPP as a way to make sure that you break even on your ROI in the First 90 days ( reguardless of the Diff and network speed ) plain and simple

Can no one understand that fact

With MPP you get 2x the GH/$ (4x the original hashrate but you pay ~2x as much to have MPP) 3 months later.
So how does that "guarantee" work as long as the network speed keeps growing much faster than doubling every 3 months ? Its been doubling every 3 weeks.

Something to chew on: ordering a prospero X3 (2TH @ $4900 promised for late February) is probably a better "guarantee" than a MPP for the Sierra.

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 08, 2013, 10:08:43 PM

How about you run the numbers and Post them Based on the buy that includes the MPP and tell me your results

That is how sure i am
as I already have run the numbers and do to the MPP i would still break even on the ROI and everything after that is gravy

Are you calculating your ROI in USD or BTC terms? In terms of USD I don't doubt you think you will ROI but in terms of BTC the chance is zero from my calculations.

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 01:45:00 AM

No Bottom line the MPP is there to make sure if NOTHING ELSE you atleast you earn what you paid for the miner back

that is what it is there for

can no one see that

they are not gonna pay or credit you extra speed so you can make a profit of $10,000 in the first 90 days, they Came up with the MPP as a way to make sure that you break even on your ROI in the First 90 days ( reguardless of the Diff and network speed ) plain and simple

Can no one understand that fact

Thats the whole point we're talking idiot.

They CAN NOT make sure that. Their calculation is flawed. They can only use past difficulty and say.... hey idiot, looks like if you have 1TH/s 90 days ago you would make ROI. So i will send you 600MHs x 2 = 1.2THs.

LOL little did you know all MPP does is make all their customers competing among themselves.

Remember you paid alot more for MPP. Your original $/GHs is terrible. 90 days of less hash rate will put you way far behind.

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Quote from: gjpminingco on November 09, 2013, 01:45:00 AM

No Bottom line the MPP is there to make sure if NOTHING ELSE you atleast you earn what you paid for the miner back

that is what it is there for

can no one see that

they are not gonna pay or credit you extra speed so you can make a profit of $10,000 in the first 90 days, they Came up with the MPP as a way to make sure that you break even on your ROI in the First 90 days ( reguardless of the Diff and network speed ) plain and simple

Can no one understand that fact

You are calculating ROI in USD. Since BJ's are paid for in BTC you should measure ROI in BTC.

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No Bottom line the MPP is there to make sure if NOTHING ELSE you atleast you earn what you paid for the miner back

that is what it is there for

can no one see that

they are not gonna pay or credit you extra speed so you can make a profit of $10,000 in the first 90 days, they Came up with the MPP as a way to make sure that you break even on your ROI in the First 90 days ( reguardless of the Diff and network speed ) plain and simple

Can no one understand that fact

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About the MPP, do you fools actually think about "shooting yourself in the foot" ?

Why? ....

Well HF used PAST difficulty to credit you extra mining capacity that will effect the FUTURE difficulty

If after 90 days of shipping HF devices take up to 25% of the network, in the next 90 days that would be 50% extra mining added (assuming other vendors stop shipping)

This protection WONT help you. In fact its a sale tactic.

90 days after shipping, i bet their device will be less than 1/4 of the original price.

Forget all these noises, the only good parameter is $/GHs

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