Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 495. (Read 880461 times)
Dont see HashFast lasting as a company and Nov will come and still have nothing...
Well, I got an answer for the suggestion for upgrading the BJs orders into sierras:
Actually, the hardware and cases for this batch of Baby Jets have already been purchased.
We understand and appreciate your concerns.
However, per our Terms & Conditions, we are still within the anticipated ship window for our Batch 1 order to ship by December 31, 2013. Our First Batch customers are still going to receive their machines before anyone else and have been given the MPP free of charge.
We promise to continue to keep all our customers up-to-date with the newest information and developments with our products.
I can simply take out some clear ideas:
- Which parts are different from the BJs and the sierras ? They said just the case, now they have "hardware" purchased. I will pay for the case if that the excuse they want to give me.
- We understand and appreciate your concerns, but we dont care even a little I will add.
- By the "anticipated ship window" is clear that they covered their backs really well as we already knew in advance and it seems that they will stick to that date. I am afraid mid November may not be the final delivery time at this point.
- HF simply dont care about their customers, even they are the first batch, they are really late or they offer others better choices.
Actually, the hardware and cases for this batch of Baby Jets have already been purchased.
We understand and appreciate your concerns.
However, per our Terms & Conditions, we are still within the anticipated ship window for our Batch 1 order to ship by December 31, 2013. Our First Batch customers are still going to receive their machines before anyone else and have been given the MPP free of charge.
We promise to continue to keep all our customers up-to-date with the newest information and developments with our products.
I can simply take out some clear ideas:
- Which parts are different from the BJs and the sierras ? They said just the case, now they have "hardware" purchased. I will pay for the case if that the excuse they want to give me.
- We understand and appreciate your concerns, but we dont care even a little I will add.
- By the "anticipated ship window" is clear that they covered their backs really well as we already knew in advance and it seems that they will stick to that date. I am afraid mid November may not be the final delivery time at this point.
- HF simply dont care about their customers, even they are the first batch, they are really late or they offer others better choices.
Sure I will start one this evening. It won't be oil (although that is an option). I am looking at Fluorinert (FC-72 boiling point = 60C).
eeck.. hope you found better prices than I did. That stuff makes my bottles of Lafite Rothschild look cheap.
Lol, i don't think good prices for that stuff exist. They should sell it in 1oz cut crystal bottles.
Sure I will start one this evening. It won't be oil (although that is an option). I am looking at Fluorinert (FC-72 boiling point = 60C).
eeck.. hope you found better prices than I did. That stuff makes my bottles of Lafite Rothschild look cheap.
Thank you for the juicy insight. Please let us know how it goes. Maybe you will take into consideration selling a form of the kit to the public. I think i may not be the only one interested.
+1
DnT, can you start a thread on this? Have some questions that would go off topic too much here, like what sort of oil you intend to use.
I had started this thread/FAQ but got busy I will hopefully fill in more details this evening.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/two-phase-open-bath-immersion-cooling-thread-313087
I don't know if I will ever sell a kit, hell I don't even know if it will live up to the promise at this point. It won't be oil (although that is an option), I am looking at Fluorinert (probably FC-72) made by 3M. My interest in HashFast's, is that of all the ASIC designs, the HashFast modules have the highest density when looking at the hashrate and board size (~1.7 GH/cm2). That is important to minimize the amount of immersion fluid necessary. The other reason is that since they use USB for data connection it makes customizing easier.
Anything can be immersion cooled by at least based on specs HashFast design is near optimal based on designs we have seen so far.
Thank you for the juicy insight. Please let us know how it goes. Maybe you will take into consideration selling a form of the kit to the public. I think i may not be the only one interested.
+1
DnT, can you start a thread on this? Have some questions that would go off topic too much here, like what sort of oil you intend to use.
KnC over delivered.
It would be nice if they ship the november batch earlier.
No more waiting for more than a year for your gear like BFL singles.
It would be nice if they ship the november batch earlier.
No more waiting for more than a year for your gear like BFL singles.
Are you ready to invest so much for your needs? Don't you need a considerable amount of money in order to set up this kind of thing?
Depends on what you mean by considerable. My estimate for the prototype immersion tank is $1,500 to $2,000 (excluding ASICs) and it should be capable of cooling 4TH/s to 8TH/s of hardware. The actual capacity will depend on a lot of factors primary ASIC board size.
As for "needs"? Sometimes people just do things to see if they can.
In theory with immersion cooling your ASICs could provide year round hot water and heating in the winter "for free". What heat you can't use can be cheaply dumped outside. The fact that is can be done in a smaller space, and with noise is an added advantage. To take full advantage of the capabilities I will need one or more vendors to sell "naked modules" (no cooling, power, cases, heatsinks, etc) at a reasonable cost. The initial purchases are just for evaluation.Quote
Have you received your knc yet?
No but it was a Nov order so I don't expect it before Nov 15th.
If hash fast doesn't begin shipping in a couple weeks, they may as well pull out of the game and refund customers before they incur further losses trying to play catch up with KnC.
This is game time for HashFast, and what we see in the next few weeks will make or break the company. I hope they're prepared not to sleep for a while. They should be on a plane somewhere today finding out why their substrates won't be ready on time and what they can do to rectify the situation.
Comparisons to BFL aren't valid because that company is already dead in the water. HF may soon be.
This is game time for HashFast, and what we see in the next few weeks will make or break the company. I hope they're prepared not to sleep for a while. They should be on a plane somewhere today finding out why their substrates won't be ready on time and what they can do to rectify the situation.
Comparisons to BFL aren't valid because that company is already dead in the water. HF may soon be.
This was known "traffic arbitrage". Not the founder. Yes, and the bios highlight the best company names also, not necessarily the most recent, that is typical of a bio.
If you can dig up dirt on Uniquify or TSMC as not being capable of designing this chip and producing and packaging this chip, then I am interested.
Do not much care that the head of sales may not know that much about shipping physical products as long as Ciarra does.
If you can dig up dirt on Uniquify or TSMC as not being capable of designing this chip and producing and packaging this chip, then I am interested.
Do not much care that the head of sales may not know that much about shipping physical products as long as Ciarra does.
There was a lot of info linking them to scammy scammersons when they first posted, fake twitter accounts, seeming sockpuppets, etc. I'm sure they're developing a real chip and plan to distribute them, but it did look like they were involved in trying to pull some shady marketing stunts at the time (Which they probably gave up on due to being caught immediately on the site)
It was always my impression that they were planning to pull a BFL. Advertise an insanely early release date, then miss it. HashFast announced July 25th and promised to deliver in October, before they'd even taped out. They had 3 months to get everything done. KnC announced their products in the middle of April, giving them 5.5 months to get everything done. We know they got their chips by the end of October, so it's likely they'd actually already placed their orders with the fab (let alone taping out) before HashFast even made their first announcement.
Plus their contract specifically said they'd only refund people's money if they failed to deliver by the end of January or something crazy. Even though they said they'd refund people's money if they failed to deliver on time without mentioning the January thing.
And of course, they refused to take credit cards.
Welp, as ready as i am to contradict... I got nothing.
Hmm.. I thought you would have had no legal basis for demanding a refund as long as HF isnt 30 days overdue, but that seems to be incorrect, the 30 day rule only applies if no 'shipping representation' was given. Its clear they did give a shipping representation, just being 1 day late gives you grounds to refuse the order:
I know logic isn't your strong suit, but if no shipping representation is given, then they can't miss their represented shipping date. Duh.
If no shipping representation is given, then the have to ship within 30 days of the order, which for most people is obviously long passed.
This was known "traffic arbitrage". Not the founder. Yes, and the bios highlight the best company names also, not necessarily the most recent, that is typical of a bio.
If you can dig up dirt on Uniquify or TSMC as not being capable of designing this chip and producing and packaging this chip, then I am interested.
Do not much care that the head of sales may not know that much about shipping physical products as long as Ciarra does.
If you can dig up dirt on Uniquify or TSMC as not being capable of designing this chip and producing and packaging this chip, then I am interested.
Do not much care that the head of sales may not know that much about shipping physical products as long as Ciarra does.
There was a lot of info linking them to scammy scammersons when they first posted, fake twitter accounts, seeming sockpuppets, etc. I'm sure they're developing a real chip and plan to distribute them, but it did look like they were involved in trying to pull some shady marketing stunts at the time (Which they probably gave up on due to being caught immediately on the site)
It was always my impression that they were planning to pull a BFL. Advertise an insanely early release date, then miss it. HashFast announced July 25th and promised to deliver in October, before they'd even taped out. They had 3 months to get everything done. KnC announced their products in the middle of April, giving them 5.5 months to get everything done. We know they got their chips by the end of October, so it's likely they'd actually already placed their orders with the fab (let alone taping out) before HashFast even made their first announcement.
Plus their contract specifically said they'd only refund people's money if they failed to deliver by the end of January or something crazy. Even though they said they'd refund people's money if they failed to deliver on time without mentioning the January thing.
And of course, they refused to take credit cards.
Hmm.. I thought you would have had no legal basis for demanding a refund as long as HF isnt 30 days overdue, but that seems to be incorrect, the 30 day rule only applies if no 'shipping representation' was given. Its clear they did give a shipping representation, just being 1 day late gives you grounds to refuse the order:
Moreover, whatever they say on their ToS page is likely overruled by anything said over the phone, probably on this forum and on their order page:
Qualifying 30-day or Other Shipment Representations:
http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule
Curious how this will pan out, though I have to say I would have expected BFL customers to file complaints en masse well before hashfast.
(/me waits for Ytterbium, Ytterbium & Associates to point out thats a mail and telephone order rule and therefore doesnt apply to online sales paid with bitcoins )
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If, after taking the customer’s order, you learn that you cannot ship within the time you stated or within 30 days, you must seek the customer’s consent to the delayed shipment. If you cannot obtain the customer’s consent to the delay -- either because it is not a situation in which you are permitted to treat the customer’s silence as consent and the customer has not expressly consented to the delay, or because the customer has expressly refused to consent -- you must, without being asked, promptly refund all the money the customer paid you for the unshipped merchandise.
Moreover, whatever they say on their ToS page is likely overruled by anything said over the phone, probably on this forum and on their order page:
Qualifying 30-day or Other Shipment Representations:
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Q: In soliciting telephone orders we make no shipment representation, so the 30-day rule applies. In taking the order, the sales representative tells the customer that the merchandise will be shipped in 72 hours. Then we discover that the merchandise cannot be shipped in 72 hours, but can be shipped within 30 days. Do we have to get the customer’s agreement to a delay?
A: Yes. The shipment representation you make in negotiating the sale during the telephone call supersedes any express shipment representation you made in soliciting the order or, if you made no express shipment representation, the 30-day shipment time. Your compliance with the Mail or Telephone Order Merchandise Rule will be determined based upon the 72-hour shipment representation.
A: Yes. The shipment representation you make in negotiating the sale during the telephone call supersedes any express shipment representation you made in soliciting the order or, if you made no express shipment representation, the 30-day shipment time. Your compliance with the Mail or Telephone Order Merchandise Rule will be determined based upon the 72-hour shipment representation.
http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule
Curious how this will pan out, though I have to say I would have expected BFL customers to file complaints en masse well before hashfast.
(/me waits for Ytterbium, Ytterbium & Associates to point out thats a mail and telephone order rule and therefore doesnt apply to online sales paid with bitcoins )
Does everyone really expect a prompt refund from a company founded by a guy who's claim to fame is spending the better part of the last decade promoting affiliate porn websites? Your best bet may be to try and cancel on the grounds that the verbiage had been listed as "shipping Oct 20-30" in the forums and on their website while the Dec 31st date was buried in fine print, but you would have to push pretty hard (pun partially intended) to get any kind of legal recourse through. They most likely aren't just going to give you your money back, there's a reason they weaseled that "guaranteed" date into the fine print.
You can also cancel on the grounds that, you know, they're legal required to allow people to cancel orders before they ship no matter what they say on their website.
Two is better than one
Does everyone really expect a prompt refund from a company founded by a guy who's claim to fame is spending the better part of the last decade promoting affiliate porn websites? Your best bet may be to try and cancel on the grounds that the verbiage had been listed as "shipping Oct 20-30" in the forums and on their website while the Dec 31st date was buried in fine print, but you would have to push pretty hard (pun partially intended) to get any kind of legal recourse through. They most likely aren't just going to give you your money back, there's a reason they weaseled that "guaranteed" date into the fine print.
You can also cancel on the grounds that, you know, they're legal required to allow people to cancel orders before they ship no matter what they say on their website.
OT: DeathAndTaxes have you invested in HF ?
I have purchased a single BabyJet for evaulation. For full disclosure I also have purchased an evaluation KNC Saturn and Bitfury "Starter". I intend to experiment with immersion cooling and using the waste heat for hot water and heating applications. If/when I make a large purchase it will be in the future when hopefully hashrate is more predictable and prices ($/GH) are lower.
For my needs the Hashfast boards seem to be optimal (I don't really care about cases, power supplies, or cooling units). The high energy density and abilitity to connect an arbitrary number of hashing boards to one host (potentially hundred feet away outside the immersion cooling tank) is a good fit. Well at least on paper. Lets see what they deliver.
Are you ready to invest so much for your needs? Don't you need a considerable amount of money in order to set up this kind of thing?
Have you received your knc yet?
No. It matters if I am there sometime between 15:00 and 15:10. Nothing else matters.
If I am there from 14:30 to 14:59 I am not allowed to leave because of a no show. If they are there at 15:05 they are not allowed to complain of a no show before 15:11.
We disagree on everything and always ProfMac, it's incredible. I remember me criticising you on creating webpages in c++... But anyway...If I am there from 14:30 to 14:59 I am not allowed to leave because of a no show. If they are there at 15:05 they are not allowed to complain of a no show before 15:11.
I was having similar thoughts. LOL.
I've filed a FTC compilant for my amount. I would like you guys to do the same. It's a free, painless process that is really relaxing (compared to reading these forums) and takes about 15 minutes. You can do it here:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/GettingStarted?NextQID=70&Url=%23%26panel1-6
Also, i need help on deciding who to contact on this huge list, to prosecute offenders of consumer laws (since that it looks like that it can be done privately and not):
http://www.usa.gov/directory/stateconsumer/california.shtml
I have to take a flight tonight, so i can't do it. However i will probably spend a lot of time tomorrow calling them via Skype.
@btc_uzr; as you said, if they delivery anything at all. I'm really negative about it. They have show us nothing, so i just want my money back, rather than waiting and hoping as with butterflylabs.
@ProfMac: it matters since that the appointment is a very difficult exam you have to study for.
@Minor Miner: exactly. Now i wonder why it's taking 2 Weeks™ to have a picture of that something promised a few pages ago.
@winit: they have promised a LOT. For now, they have done NOTHING. I don't see why we should be able to have a "live tracking" of what's happening, especially since that everything that has to do with chip is under NDA, remember?
You might want to go through and compile a list with screencaps of all the places HashFast says they're shipping in October then, including versions of their own website that say Oct 20-30.https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/GettingStarted?NextQID=70&Url=%23%26panel1-6
Also, i need help on deciding who to contact on this huge list, to prosecute offenders of consumer laws (since that it looks like that it can be done privately and not):
http://www.usa.gov/directory/stateconsumer/california.shtml
I have to take a flight tonight, so i can't do it. However i will probably spend a lot of time tomorrow calling them via Skype.
@btc_uzr; as you said, if they delivery anything at all. I'm really negative about it. They have show us nothing, so i just want my money back, rather than waiting and hoping as with butterflylabs.
@ProfMac: it matters since that the appointment is a very difficult exam you have to study for.
@Minor Miner: exactly. Now i wonder why it's taking 2 Weeks™ to have a picture of that something promised a few pages ago.
@winit: they have promised a LOT. For now, they have done NOTHING. I don't see why we should be able to have a "live tracking" of what's happening, especially since that everything that has to do with chip is under NDA, remember?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2869011
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