HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 513.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 11:52:40 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 11:15:53 AM

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11245642.htm

i'm trying to find out exactly what "sign deal" means in terms of exclusivity.

sounds to me like "no other ASIC manufacturer will be allowed to purchase Seasonic PSU's in bulk for Bitcoin mining".

hence higher costs and lower quality for competitors.

Doubt it. Even if hashfast needed 2000+ PSUs... seasonics market is... huge. SS is larger market cap wise than all of BTC.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 11:15:53 AM

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11245642.htm

i'm trying to find out exactly what "sign deal" means in terms of exclusivity.

sounds to me like "no other ASIC manufacturer will be allowed to purchase Seasonic PSU's in bulk for Bitcoin mining".

hence higher costs and lower quality for competitors.

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http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11245642.htm

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Quote from: crumbs on October 18, 2013, 10:47:34 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 09:24:48 AM

Quote from: crumbs on October 18, 2013, 06:44:40 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

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but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

Lol, aren't you getting a bit catty? Smoke alarms & fire extinguishers, RLY? If you're referring to a few boards popping caps, let me explain the science behind how stuff like that happens:

1. First and foremost, said stuff needs to exist.
None of Hashfast products have failed because none exist.
2. There's no 2, that's it.

So please hold off on giving each other congratulatory BJs 'till the product ships, k?

again, who's paying you to be anti-Bitcoin?

I really shouldn't be telling you this, but you'll probably find out anyway, so here goes.

Obama is picking up the bulk of the tab & is providing me with the spyings of DHS.
The FBI & DEA are supplying me with my steady ration of hookers and blow.

Sadly this is all i can risk disclosing at the moment -- I could tell more, but then i'll have to kill you Cool

Your pal,
-007.

ah yes, an admission!

i knew it!

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 09:24:48 AM

Quote from: crumbs on October 18, 2013, 06:44:40 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

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but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

Lol, aren't you getting a bit catty? Smoke alarms & fire extinguishers, RLY? If you're referring to a few boards popping caps, let me explain the science behind how stuff like that happens:

1. First and foremost, said stuff needs to exist.
None of Hashfast products have failed because none exist.
2. There's no 2, that's it.

So please hold off on giving each other congratulatory BJs 'till the product ships, k?

again, who's paying you to be anti-Bitcoin?

I really shouldn't be telling you this, but you'll probably find out anyway, so here goes.

Obama is picking up the bulk of the tab & is providing me with the spyings of DHS.
The FBI & DEA are supplying me with my steady ration of hookers and blow.

Sadly this is all i can risk disclosing at the moment -- I could tell more, but then i'll have to kill you Cool

Your pal,
-007.

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let's have some fun

Honestly, I never perceived something which may indicate crumbs is anit-btc.

Take easy on crumbs, the more exact you answer the questions, the more relaxed others will get.
crumbs was putting the finger in KnC's wounds all time - and I enjoyed it as customer I have to admit.

A pain in manufacturer's asses for sure, but think about it - maybe this character is even useful as it covers concerns of some out there.
The better you deal with ppl of this kind, the more you attract new customers and prove competence at least in customer communication of *hardest* kind.

In your case I'd see it as some kind of challenge, instead of getting annoyed or angry about it, see your advantage in it Wink

I follow this thread with an open eye, since competition is healthy for the game and I might buy as next from HF, too, and crumbs covers so far some of my concerns/questions wrapped in high level trolling (what I enjoy the most).

Thank you crumbs and keep on

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Quote from: crumbs on October 18, 2013, 06:44:40 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

...
but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

Lol, aren't you getting a bit catty? Smoke alarms & fire extinguishers, RLY? If you're referring to a few boards popping caps, let me explain the science behind how stuff like that happens:

1. First and foremost, said stuff needs to exist.
None of Hashfast products have failed because none exist.
2. There's no 2, that's it.

So please hold off on giving each other congratulatory BJs 'till the product ships, k?

again, who's paying you to be anti-Bitcoin?

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Quote from: HashFast_CL on October 18, 2013, 05:23:14 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 05:18:24 AM

How convenient. For KNC.

Then they should have been charging much less than they were. That didn't stop Avalon from shipping psu's with my order. Came without a hitch or extra charge.

HashFast never promised Sea Sonic PSUs. We could have used cheaper ones and improved our profit margin.

That's why it's fair to say HashFast "picked up the tab" for premium quality power.

The Golden Nonce is the Rolls-Royce of ASICs, so we are including the Cadillac of PSUs with it.

But wait! That's not all! If you order today, we'll include this set of amazing Ginsu Knives at no extra cost to yooo! Shocked

*Shipping may be delayed until January 1, 2014, see terms & conditions.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

...
but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

Lol, aren't you getting a bit catty? Smoke alarms & fire extinguishers, RLY? If you're referring to a few boards popping caps, let me explain the science behind how stuff like that happens:

1. First and foremost, said stuff needs to exist.
None of Hashfast products have failed because none exist.
2. There's no 2, that's it.

So please hold off on giving each other congratulatory BJs 'till the product ships, k?

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More delays... Oct 20 is coming...

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Dont get my wrong im happy about the new power supply and inproved fan airflow and all but I mean the units should be shipping in 2 weeks tops. Dont you think hashfast should of had all the specs and components finalized long before then?

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 05:18:24 AM

How convenient. For KNC.

Then they should have been charging much less than they were. That didn't stop Avalon from shipping psu's with my order. Came without a hitch or extra charge.

We're not talking about convenience here, we're talking about a fact. It's good to hear that your Avalons arrived with their PSUs without any problems, but customs in other countries can be a bitch in this regard.

Not sure how a cost of USD 100-250,- for a PSU would result in charging "much less". That's not even 5% of the price of a first batch Jupiter. Also, what if you already happen to have a proper PSU at home, say, from a previous mining rig? Congrats, you just paid USD 250,- extra for a PSU you didn't need.

Like I said, nothing wrong with HashFast now adding a proper PSU to their miner, as long as they are aware of regulatory specifications outside of the US (e.g. the CE markings in Europe).

It's just rather meaningless to say a USD 7000,- device is overpriced for not adding a USD 250,- PSU. If you pay USD 7000,- for a device and get a USD 250,- PSU for "free" it just means you could have probably just gotten the device for USD 6750,- without the PSU. That's the thing with "free" and "included" things. You pay for it either way.

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Quote from: HashFast_CL on October 18, 2013, 05:23:14 AM

The Golden Nonce is the Rolls-Royce of ASICs, so we are including the Cadillac of PSUs with it.

Poor analogy, even though it may be fitting too. No one wants a rolls royce or the price tag it comes with for mining. We want a pickup truck, a van, a digger, some efficient vehicle that costs less than what it may earn over its lifetime. Good luck to anyone investing in cadillacs.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 05:18:24 AM

How convenient. For KNC.

Then they should have been charging much less than they were. That didn't stop Avalon from shipping psu's with my order. Came without a hitch or extra charge.

HashFast never promised Sea Sonic PSUs. We could have used cheaper ones and improved our profit margin.

That's why it's fair to say HashFast "picked up the tab" for premium quality power.

The Golden Nonce is the Rolls-Royce of ASICs, so we are including the Cadillac of PSUs with it.

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Quote from: HeRetiK on October 18, 2013, 04:30:34 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

The main reason for KNC not including a PSU was that shipping PSUs across borders can cause unforeseen delays due to regulatory security requirements regarding power supplies.
As a customer you are paying for the PSU either way. Even if it's included in the price it's still the customer's money.

Edit: I'm not saying that HashFast is doing something wrong by including the PSU, just saying that I don't see much of a point in this statement.

How convenient. For KNC.

Then they should have been charging much less than they were. That didn't stop Avalon from shipping psu's with my order. Came without a hitch or extra charge.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 18, 2013, 01:07:54 AM

but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

The main reason for KNC not including a PSU was that shipping PSUs across borders can cause unforeseen delays due to regulatory security requirements regarding power supplies.
As a customer you are paying for the PSU either way. Even if it's included in the price it's still the customer's money.

Edit: I'm not saying that HashFast is doing something wrong by including the PSU, just saying that I don't see much of a point in this statement.

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Quote from: MrTeal on October 18, 2013, 01:00:30 AM

Quote from: HashFast_CL on October 18, 2013, 12:54:50 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on October 18, 2013, 12:40:56 AM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 18, 2013, 12:37:19 AM

Seeing as HashFast is picking up the tab for the power supply, I'd say X-850 is good decision for the customers.

LOL... "picking up the tab" for the $300 worth of power supplies is a bit of a stretch when they're installed in the system users paid $5600 for.

We don't want to skimp on any aspect of our hardware, especially an absolutely critical component like the PSU.

Given the problems our competition's customers experienced with PSU compatibility, we are applying that lesson to our own approach.

That's why we've negotiated a special relationship with Sea Sonic, the premier manufacturer of PSUs for the performance enthusiast market, and have chosen to include them with our ASICs to ensure smooth, successful turnkey deployments.

Oh, I don't disagree. I'm just laughing at the idea of saying that Hashfast is picking up the tab on the power supply. It's like Ferrari saying that a new version of the 458 Spider has 20 more HP, and that's great for customers because Ferrari is picking up the tab for the engine.

HashFast likely made a good engineering choice there, but the customers are still the ones picking up the tab for it.

but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.

along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.

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Quote from: HashFast_CL on October 18, 2013, 12:54:50 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on October 18, 2013, 12:40:56 AM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 18, 2013, 12:37:19 AM

Seeing as HashFast is picking up the tab for the power supply, I'd say X-850 is good decision for the customers.

LOL... "picking up the tab" for the $300 worth of power supplies is a bit of a stretch when they're installed in the system users paid $5600 for.

We don't want to skimp on any aspect of our hardware, especially an absolutely critical component like the PSU.

Given the problems our competition's customers experienced with PSU compatibility, we are applying that lesson to our own approach.

That's why we've negotiated a special relationship with Sea Sonic, the premier manufacturer of PSUs for the performance enthusiast market, and have chosen to include them with our ASICs to ensure smooth, successful turnkey deployments.

Oh, I don't disagree. I'm just laughing at the idea of saying that Hashfast is picking up the tab on the power supply. It's like Ferrari saying that a new version of the 458 Spider has 20 more HP, and that's great for customers because Ferrari is picking up the tab for the engine.

HashFast likely made a good engineering choice there, but the customers are still the ones picking up the tab for it.

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Quote from: MrTeal on October 18, 2013, 12:40:56 AM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 18, 2013, 12:37:19 AM

Seeing as HashFast is picking up the tab for the power supply, I'd say X-850 is good decision for the customers.

LOL... "picking up the tab" for the $300 worth of power supplies is a bit of a stretch when they're installed in the system users paid $5600 for.

We don't want to skimp on any aspect of our hardware, especially an absolutely critical component like the PSU.

Given the problems our competition's customers experienced with PSU compatibility, we are applying that lesson to our own approach.

That's why we've negotiated a special relationship with Sea Sonic, the premier manufacturer of PSUs for the performance enthusiast market, and have chosen to include them with our ASICs to ensure smooth, successful turnkey deployments.

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 18, 2013, 12:37:19 AM

Seeing as HashFast is picking up the tab for the power supply, I'd say X-850 is good decision for the customers.

LOL... "picking up the tab" for the $300 worth of power supplies is a bit of a stretch when they're installed in the system users paid $5600 for.

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