HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet - page 11.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 02, 2013, 05:26:24 PM

@D&T: Since Hashfast product is water-cooled, and the pics provided (the renderings, again) show waterblocks on top of the pc board, i sort-a would guess that the chip is not sitting on the flip side of the board, with the waterblock butted up against thermal vias. That simply isn't a good way to dissipate 300+W (so we agree). So plastic package is definetly out. The reason i thought it might be a die is they used the same marble texture for their early chip renders (err... Intel pics). Check it out.

Agreed. It would make no sense for it to be a plastic flip chip and I don't think it is. Just pointing out the chip photo is really low quality and hard to get any details but it is not what I would expect. It looks very much like a PBGA flip chip designed for low wattage applications not a 4 die, giant 200W+ monster package with integrated heatspread and metal package lid for attaching a waterblock.

For the later I would expect something which looks like this:
http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1297821/15922456/0/1286866175.jpg

or this:
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Intel-s-Upcoming-Core-i7-Mobile-CPU-to-Top-Out-at-1096-2.jpg

Simple version: it is weird. Hopefully they can take a couple of more photos from different angles, and maybe put the camera in macro mode.

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Just received directly from John. It's still hot Cheesy

Boards should come this next week, so lets hope we see a Babyjet running soon Wink

Looks like a screenprint stencil? Is it?

Am I understanding that back on or before Nov 15 they showed that pic with the CEO holding the "chips" and now on Dec 2nd there is still only one shitty picture (submitted by a forum member and not HF) of the actual chip and not the box they were shipped in?

Is there a legit reason not to show pictures of their sexy Golden Nonces chips? Why two plus weeks and not a slew of marketing shots??

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I had two questions when i first saw that image. The first one has to do with dimensions, judging from the font size it doesn't looks any bigger than the BF chips, and while that certainly doesn't make any sense if it was a 400GH chip, it could make sense if it was only 1/4th of it.

The second question is about the green-ish color. It's not only in the background, but also in the font color. That doesn't make any sense to me. I have yet to find an explanation for it. The thing looks like to have a depth of a few mm (1-2), and the shadows seems like to be pins.

The last interesting detail is the graze on the top of the thing. I don't think that plastic would result in that kind of graze/slither/craw.

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@D&T: Since Hashfast product is water-cooled, and the pics provided (the renderings, again) show waterblocks on top of the pc board, i sort-a would guess that the chip is not sitting on the flip side of the board, with the waterblock butted up against thermal vias. That simply isn't a good way to dissipate 300+W (so we agree). So plastic package is definetly out. The reason i thought it might be a die is they used the same marble texture for their early chip renders (err... Intel pics). Check it out.

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Well it does look like plenty of packages I have seen just not one designed for high electrical/thermal output.

For example Bitfury chip.

Avalon chip:

The lid is plastic but it is low wattage and the heat is conducted through the bottom of the chip to the PCB grounplane (and optionally to heatsink on opposite side of baord).

These photos (and granted they are really bad blurry photos with no angle view or size reference) look like a plastic package which simply can't be right not for 200W+.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on December 02, 2013, 05:01:37 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 02, 2013, 04:49:37 PM

...is either just *one* of the dies, yet to be mounted on the substrate, or Huh

*This is a serious, non-trolly question, i take geekly pride in being able to figure out just what i'm looking at. If someone could explain, i'm all ears.

That is a good question. It looks like a complete package (die, heatspreader, substrate). Some more and better photos will tell help though. Photo of die/chip/package from the side and from the bottom would be nice.

agreed, it doesn't look like a die. its not a great photo. but if it isn't a die.. AND it has writing on it.. so its most likely a package - perhaps a prototype one thats not all shiny and new.. it doesn't look like a package I've seen before. Doesn't mean it isn't though.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 02, 2013, 04:49:37 PM

...is either just *one* of the dies, yet to be mounted on the substrate, or Huh

*This is a serious, non-trolly question, i take geekly pride in being able to figure out just what i'm looking at. If someone could explain, i'm all ears.

That is a good question. It looks like a complete package (die, heatspreader, substrate). If it was only the die I would expect it to be bare silicon (has a rainbow sheen). While I guess each die could be packaged independently and then all four attached to a substrate that doesn't make any damn sense. So my first thought would be it is a complete package but it would appear to be too small, and not match expected characteristics at all. I would be expecting a shiny metal lid, substrate which extends out from beyond the lid, and no writing on the package lid. The lid is going to be the primary thermal transfer so it would be designed for high conductivity.

For example: KNC board.
http://www.alchip.com/uploadfile/201311/20131105093923760.jpg
Big shiny in the middle is completed package (which also contains 4 dies like HF design although at lower throughput).

So based on the single photo alone it doesn't look like a completed package (4 dies + heatspreader/package lid + substrate) and it also doesn't look like a bare die either. So Huh

Some more and better photos (from side and bottom and with size reference) would help.

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Quote from: HashFast on November 11, 2013, 07:30:59 PM

...The golden nonce chip is able to broken into 4 pieces - so its possible we could ship less than 400 Ghash. That said, we expect that the MPP will most likely be fully triggered.

-HashFast Team

This is kind'a interesting. If the chip could be broken into quarters, i assume each GN chip has 4 separate dies. The onlu package for a chip with several individual dies which dissipate heavy power would be something like this:

...which also happens to jive with the rendering offered on Hashfast's website. But this:

...is either just *one* of the dies, yet to be mounted on the substrate, or Huh

*This is a serious, non-trolly question, i take geekly pride in being able to figure out just what i'm looking at. If someone could explain, i'm all ears.

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Quote from: DPoS on November 30, 2013, 09:22:33 PM

What happened to Feb 31st? Are you losing your credibility?

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From logical fallacies to empty semantic arguments. Well done.

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Quote from: bitcoinarnold on November 30, 2013, 09:35:41 PM

Wow just a shot of the naked chip packaged, they haven't tested the chips using a test board and hadn't published that it was at least working? Something seems wrong...

No, nothing is wrong. They have always been on schedule to deliver at the end of the year as witnessed by their 12/31 refund date. Any previous lies about shipping before that were simply to snag more customers. It worked perfectly.

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Wow just a shot of the naked chip packaged, they haven't tested the chips using a test board and hadn't published that it was at least working? Something seems wrong...

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Fact is, they promised BS to batch 1 customers and we believed them as fools.
Conclusion is, if they play with batch 1 customers, batch 1 customers are gonna play with them.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 30, 2013, 07:42:14 PM

You seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between the most optimistic, earliest physically possible ship date and the guaranteed delivery date.

Hint: the earliest possible ship date isn't a deadline of any kind. Hope that helps. Wink

Quote from: Simon Barber on August 10, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

Note the date on that quote. That sure doesn't sound like an earliest possible ship date. That quote says just the opposite. "Nearly complete", "remaining items fairly fixed", "we're confident". Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Fact is, they are late. Months late.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 30, 2013, 08:07:24 PM

Quote from: DPoS on November 30, 2013, 07:56:47 PM

Coming soon to HF's next ToS revision!

This isn't hard.

Guaranteed delivery date = Dec 31.

Dec 31 + two months = Feb 28(ish)

How people can claim the earliest possible ship date was some kind of iron-clad guaranteed deadline is beyond me; that's simply not a reasonable interpretation or position. Roll Eyes

Too much Haterade I guess. Cool

What happened to Feb 31st? Are you losing your credibility?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 30, 2013, 08:07:24 PM

Guaranteed delivery date = Dec 31.

Can't wait what you're going to say on Dec 31. Grin

Your sig is full of crap, btw.

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Quote from: DPoS on November 30, 2013, 07:56:47 PM

Coming soon to HF's next ToS revision!

This isn't hard.

Guaranteed delivery date = Dec 31.

Dec 31 + two months = Feb 28(ish)

How people can claim the earliest possible ship date was some kind of iron-clad guaranteed deadline is beyond me; that's simply not a reasonable interpretation or position. Roll Eyes

Too much Haterade I guess. Cool

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Quote from: amer on November 30, 2013, 07:53:48 PM

Lol @ Feb 31st.

Coming soon to HF's next ToS revision!

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Lol @ Feb 31st.

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Quote from: DPoS on November 30, 2013, 07:35:16 PM

so best case you cheer about being two months late?? worst case nothing works?

"Two months late" would be Feb 31st.

You seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between the most optimistic, earliest physically possible ship date and the guaranteed delivery date.

Hint: the earliest possible ship date isn't a deadline of any kind. Hope that helps. Wink

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 30, 2013, 06:46:42 PM

Quote from: DPoS on November 30, 2013, 06:01:43 PM

Quote from: Biffa on November 30, 2013, 05:30:17 PM

Looks like a screenprint stencil? Is it?

they'll hand it out to taggers to graffiti some bridges with it

That's some very weak Haterade. You guys are getting desperate now that HashFast is hours or days away from their first working test board submitting shares.

Even cedavid finished his tantrum, stopped flinging poo, and sobered up.

I think he (wisely) realized his repetitive whining and FUD were doing permanent damage to his credibility, reputation, and standing in the community.

ALWAYS BET ON iCE...

so best case you cheer about being two months late?? worst case nothing works?

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