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legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
November 18, 2013, 12:56:11 PM
If anyone thought they would ship before their deadline, they clearly are new around here.  Name me one Asic provider that beat their end deadline.

Bitfury, delivered 1 day earlier, promised August 31st, delivered August 30th in quantity.

Some noobz have never heard of Rumsfeld's 'Unknown unknowns' much less Hofstadter's Law.

But they are lying when they claim to be incapable of understanding the difference between the most optimistic, earliest possible shipping  date and the guaranteed delivery date.  It's funny when they waste their Bitcoins to have a lawyer tell them their feigned obtuseness will be laughed out of court.

Bitfury is a brilliant designer and his chips weren't late, but they did ship at 50% of the spec'd clock rate, forcing him to ship twice as many.

Us 100TH investors have been royally screwed by the resulting delays in our mine build-out.

So let's not put Bitfury on too high a pedestal.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
November 17, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Are you cyperdoc?

No.  Cypher helped HashFast launch their products but is now just another (very, very early) customer.

My role as community liaison is to facilitate growth of an open source hardware and software ecosystem built around HashFast's technology.

So far we've got GWQ integrated into cgminer, and things will really start to pick up once the reference PCB, data sheet, and miniboards are in the wild.

Best,

-HF_CL

It be great if we can smaller amounts of chips to work with to prove designs that are open source. Will there be any opportunities to buy small batches of chips in lots of 10 or 20?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
HashFast Community Liaison
November 17, 2013, 07:57:27 PM
Are you cyperdoc?

No.  Cypher helped HashFast launch their products but is now just another (very, very early) customer.

My role as community liaison is to facilitate growth of an open source hardware and software ecosystem built around HashFast's technology.

So far we've got GWQ integrated into cgminer, and things will really start to pick up once the reference PCB, data sheet, and miniboards are in the wild.

Best,

-HF_CL
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
November 17, 2013, 07:50:03 PM
Are you cyperdoc? Who cares?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
HashFast Community Liaison
November 17, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
Hi everybody!

Sorry for the lack of communication; I was ill and unable to liaison with the HashFast execs last week.

I'll go in to the office on Monday and see what news/updates can be shared with the forum.

Best,

-HF_CL


PS  I've been reading about the new Global Work Queue.  It has the potential to do for devices what stratum did for cgminer (IE keep everything topped up and minimize idle time to squeeze out every last drop of performance)!
legendary
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November 16, 2013, 11:36:25 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship

Wanna bet?

(No, I've not learned my lesson about those kind of bets yet.)

I will bet if u are willing.   HashFast is a US located and registered company.  They have binding arbitration agreement in their contract.   They essentially lose everything by not shipping by 1 Jan. 
Would it really be out of the realm of possibilities for exchange rate to be over $1k and them simply refunding everyone the fiat price and self mining or selling to friends and family out the back door?  I'd have to look again but I think their very one sided TOS didn't state anything about refunding in BTC.
sr. member
Activity: 490
Merit: 255
November 16, 2013, 10:59:58 PM
If anyone thought they would ship before their deadline, they clearly are new around here.  Name me one Asic provider that beat their end deadline.

Bitfury, delivered 1 day earlier, promised August 31st, delivered August 30th in quantity.

Bitfury Strikes Back I will agree was early by a day (and over delivered with extra H-Cards for the starter kits).

MegabigPower was late by a week (somewhat bitten by the US holiday weekend).

There is no doubt that HF's "starting date" was misleading and put out there simply to compete with Bitfury's October deadline and KnC's November date.  But again... with the experience with the other vendors as a guide and the weaseling marketing speak (i.e. "anticpated starting shipping blah blah"), I think it fair at the time to put it at a 5% chance of October 31... a 50% chance of November and 99% chance of Dec. 31st.

Like I said, they are going to deliver by Dec. 31st.... even if it is just a box of rocks (or a repackaged Megabigpower 400GH miner).
sr. member
Activity: 479
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November 16, 2013, 10:39:21 PM
Did hashfast delivered any babyjet yet???

No, and the earliest they plan to start is mid-December.
sr. member
Activity: 479
Merit: 250
November 16, 2013, 10:38:09 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship

Wanna bet?

(No, I've not learned my lesson about those kind of bets yet.)

I will bet if u are willing.   HashFast is a US located and registered company.  They have binding arbitration agreement in their contract.   They essentially lose everything by not shipping by 1 Jan. 

Would be a great way of getting out of all those MPPs though, considering they have seperate "deadlines" for the rest of their batches.

Anyone know the "deadlines" for the rest of the batches? 

I'd be more than happy if they just said hey look our bad we are going to refund your Bitcoin.  The prices they charged, for a batch one BabyJet especially, were way too much if they thought even for a moment were going to miss their shipping deadline. 

At the same time they projected an air of extreme confidence that they knew what they were doing because they had been involved in hardware businesses before and because of that weren't going to be another BFL.  I clearly remember asking about their estimate for the shipping date before ordering and what they thought the chances of missing it were and the exact words from the Hashfast sales person were, "That's _not_ going to happen"
hero member
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November 16, 2013, 09:49:22 PM
Did hashfast delivered any babyjet yet???
hero member
Activity: 518
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.
November 16, 2013, 09:44:51 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship

Wanna bet?

(No, I've not learned my lesson about those kind of bets yet.)

I will bet if u are willing.   HashFast is a US located and registered company.  They have binding arbitration agreement in their contract.   They essentially lose everything by not shipping by 1 Jan. 

Would be a great way of getting out of all those MPPs though, considering they have seperate "deadlines" for the rest of their batches.
donator
Activity: 1218
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Gerald Davis
November 16, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship

Wanna bet?

(No, I've not learned my lesson about those kind of bets yet.)

I will bet if u are willing.   HashFast is a US located and registered company.  They have binding arbitration agreement in their contract.   They essentially lose everything by not shipping by 1 Jan. 
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
November 16, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship

Wanna bet?

(No, I've not learned my lesson about those kind of bets yet.)
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
November 16, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
jspielberg, you make a lot of assumptions. None of them based on facts. They most definitely can ship nothing before jan 1st.  BFLs done it. Avalons done it.

Clearly you must be new too then huh? Because no asic company has not shipped products to people who ordered them right, and ignore refund request?  You clear?


legendary
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
November 16, 2013, 04:24:31 PM
If anyone thought they would ship before their deadline, they clearly are new around here.  Name me one Asic provider that beat their end deadline.

Bitfury, delivered 1 day earlier, promised August 31st, delivered August 30th in quantity.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
November 16, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
I was sure they would have shipped by their promised shipping date. Sure. What could have gone wrong?
Tapeout already done, Ubiquity that says chips in October... And then we know the rest.
sr. member
Activity: 490
Merit: 255
November 16, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
You can be guaranteed that they will ship before Jan. 1.  Even if it is broken, consumes 10x the power, 1/2 the hash rate, and uses someone else's chips, you will be sure they will ship to not have to deal with the refunds. 

It was one of the reasons why I ordered from HF.  With the MPP and the "drop dead" deadline, I figured there was enough structured incentive for them to deliver in 2013.  I too was burned by Avalon, and wasn't going to order from anyone that didn't have at least some incentive to deliver.  I also believe that their 28nm chips will be as efficient as any others coming on the market for the next 9 to 12 months...

If anyone thought they would ship before their deadline, they clearly are new around here.  Name me one Asic provider that beat their end deadline.
legendary
Activity: 974
Merit: 1000
November 16, 2013, 04:36:34 AM
On my receipet is a memo, that when the miner is not shipped until 31. dec, I can get an refund.

Guys, forget about that refund thing. If they don't ship until december 31, there will be no money left to refund. And if there is, they won't give it to you voluntarily and definitely not the whole amount (custom made good). I went through that before with an Avalon clone company and if Yifu Guo hadn't miraculously refunded the chips and the company hasn't been honest in the most parts, this would have been a total loss. So it was only 20%, which was a significant amount nevertheless.

Nobody will refund the chips for HF.

I want only to improve the mood, not more.

An ambitious task if they even don't talk to their official spokesman anymore. Which is an epic fail and totally inexcusable.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
November 16, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
I´m not an paid troll.
I want only to improve the mood, not more.
You are not the paid troll, you are the customer in denial, just like me. Ice is the paid troll. Still wondering what its hourly pay is...

Anyway no, it won't be 800GH and no, it won't be 800$/btc, not for long enough for us to sell at that price at least.
hero member
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Trustless IceColdWallet
November 16, 2013, 04:02:59 AM
all will be nice, you will see.

I think its the same like knc. HF will also announce that the babyjet not have 400 Gh/s
and not 450
and not 500
not 550
not
not
not 800

it will be 888 Gh/s and the sierre will have 2,5 Th/s

One Bitcoin will cost 800 USD

and all is good Cool Cool Cool

How much hate for incompetent shills and paid trollers. This thread is useless, full point. Thank you HF for what you are doing, and please, go to screw yourself.


I also HF batch one customer, not paid from HF  Grin, but what can we do? Sitting, waiting and hope.

On my receipet is a memo, that when the miner is not shipped until 31. dec, I can get an refund.

The whole business is so serious and exciting that i have to take it with humor.

What will you do?

Call the police, the swat team or any other special forces.

Take a look to some penny stock companies, they pray years: "YES we will develop an drug for eternal life"
this companies produces only one: COSTS

Here on HF you see something, hear something and i smell some giga hashes.
I wrote to CIARA direct and asked if they realy have an contract?

Quote
Dear Fubly
Thank you for your inquiry
Yes, we are partnering with Hashfast on the bitcoin project

I have forwarded your email to Hashfast senior management and they should answer you promptly

Regards

Patrick Scateni | Vice President | Sales and Marketing | Ciara Technologies
C: 514-210-1735 | W: 877-242-7272 or514-798-8880 Ext 6550 | F: 514-798-8889
Skype: patrickscateni | E:[email protected] |www.ciaratech.com

I´m not an paid troll.

I want only to improve the mood, not more.


And Yes, to see sometime an picture from the office, screenshots, people behind HF, information about the substrate or anything else
will chill the base!

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