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hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
August 15, 2013, 04:31:42 AM
Is it documented that the private investors pay 25% reinvestment ?
Good question!
Which I'll answer (correct me if I am wrong):

Quote from https://bitfunder.com/asset/IceDrill.ASIC:
So, for every 100 BitCoin that we mine (with the ENTIRE mine capacity going forward, not only 300Th), minus cost (say 10), we would distribute 67.5 to shareholders and keep 22.5 to expand the mining capacity of the mine.

So yes, every investor, private or public, will see 25% being reinvested.

What was missing in my calculation is the cost that is in the quote. I added the cost.
hero member
Activity: 692
Merit: 500
August 15, 2013, 04:17:31 AM
Is it documented that the private investors pay 25% reinvestment ?
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
August 15, 2013, 04:07:56 AM
Code:
public investors	         60% A
private investors         40% B

dividend                 75% C
reinvest                 25% D
   
The profit should then be split between:
Code:
running cost                     10.0%
public investor dividend 40.5% A*C*(100-cost)/100
private investor dividend        27.0% B*C*(100-cost)/100

reinvest                 22.5% D*(100-cost)/100
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
August 15, 2013, 03:37:08 AM
"The IceDrill mine, at launch, will be running with 500 Terahashes (500,000 Gigahashes) of power. This asset comprises 60% of the mine’s ongoing profits (meaning roughly 100% of 300 TH power). However, this asset is NOT tied to a specific hashrate. Rather, it is tied to a specific percentage of IceDrill profits, meaning that as the mine grows in hash power, so too do the profits earned by the shares. While one share will be worth roughly 10 Mhash of mining power upon launch, it will be worth more hash power over time as the mine grows.

In order to grow, 75% of the profit from each shares share will be paid out to the investor, and the remaining 25% will be reinvested in additional mining capacity on a continual basis. Thus, the mine will grow substantially over time to maintain the most efficient market share."

So 60% of profits will go back to the 'company' of which 75% to dividends and 25% for growth, right?

The whole thing is worded such that trying to interpret it literally gives me a headache.

  I suppose it all depends on how we look at it.  They advertise a 500TH mine, of which, as an investor you're only actually buying into 300TH.  So, of this 300TH, 75% of each share submitted is returned to the investor as dividend, yes.

  If you interpret IceDrill as being the total farm: 500TH, the investor is entitled to 45% of the earnings and forefeits 15% as re-investment.   Effectively, 55% (that's 275TH) is going straight to the corporation. 
legendary
Activity: 1498
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August 15, 2013, 03:14:56 AM
In fact it is the 25% - the other 75% goes to shareholders.

Unless things have changed, 40% goes to administration and 60% as dividends.  I'd have to read through their correspondence, but there was some question regarding the re-investment percentage coming out of the management's 40%, or the shareholder's 60%.   
"The IceDrill mine, at launch, will be running with 500 Terahashes (500,000 Gigahashes) of power. This asset comprises 60% of the mine’s ongoing profits (meaning roughly 100% of 300 TH power). However, this asset is NOT tied to a specific hashrate. Rather, it is tied to a specific percentage of IceDrill profits, meaning that as the mine grows in hash power, so too do the profits earned by the shares. While one share will be worth roughly 10 Mhash of mining power upon launch, it will be worth more hash power over time as the mine grows.

In order to grow, 75% of the profit from each shares share will be paid out to the investor, and the remaining 25% will be reinvested in additional mining capacity on a continual basis. Thus, the mine will grow substantially over time to maintain the most efficient market share."

So 60% of profits will go back to the 'company' of which 75% to dividends and 25% for growth, right?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
August 15, 2013, 03:00:27 AM
Delivery to Bulgaria (EU Country). Really?HuhHuhHuh??



Holy Moses, so that's how they get some extra money by overcharging on shipping? There's no way shipping to EU costs $750 Roll Eyes.

Hi Everyone,

Regarding shipping, we have not yet secured rates that we are happy with. We are working with two international air freight companies to secure better rates. Once we complete this process, we will absolutely refund the difference in shipping costs back to our customers.

John
HashFast.com
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
August 15, 2013, 02:51:03 AM
Baby Jet product page updated just now:
  • Wording changed from "Shipments begin October 20-30" to "Shipments anticipated to begin: October 20-30"
  • The stock count just jumped around 100!  Shocked
  • New single chip mock-up image

Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units...

Stock count: it's related to the testing scenario you mention.

There was a period where the website shop was live but hidden, and we were simultaneously doing manual sales. I reduced the "inventory" available online so that we had a pool for manual sales. Didn't want to risk selling the same units twice. Now we've put those units back in the pool.

So to confirm: We are selling a total of 550 Baby Jets.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast




Hi Everyone,

In addition to what Amy is saying above, the inventory will also fluctuate at times as we close out orders from buyers who started the purchase process while we were experiencing technical difficulties, and later decline to complete the purchase.  We have been trying to reach out to everyone via phone and email that attempted a purchase last week.

Our intent is be as transparent as possible, and we will continue to do our best towards this goal.

John
HashFast.com


legendary
Activity: 1512
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August 15, 2013, 02:40:15 AM
In fact it is the 25% - the other 75% goes to shareholders.

Unless things have changed, 40% goes to administration and 60% as dividends.  I'd have to read through their correspondence, but there was some question regarding the re-investment percentage coming out of the management's 40%, or the shareholder's 60%.   
hero member
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cryptoshark
August 15, 2013, 02:31:20 AM
Baby Jet product page updated just now:
  • Wording changed from "Shipments begin October 20-30" to "Shipments anticipated to begin: October 20-30"
  • The stock count just jumped around 100!  Shocked
  • New single chip mock-up image

Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units...


Nice catch and good eye! I wasn't sure if I had seen that jump or if I've just been starring at too many numbers all day  Huh

I can honestly say that I'm not happy about the wording change to "anticipated" - Sigh.

it reminds me BFL, 2 months or more Smiley
now 317 in stock
are they manipulating numbers ?
i have seen on screenshoot about 200

legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
August 15, 2013, 02:19:50 AM
These guys certainly try to be the leader. Shipping is prohibitive for buying one (I live in EU). There is always IceDrill as a lower cost alternative...

Maybe someone provides hosting with these?

Cypherdoc if I order one can you provide hosting? Fee negotiable..

isn't that what icedrill is doing?
Not exactly, most of the coins mined go back for more hardware...
In fact it is the 25% - the other 75% goes to shareholders.
newbie
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Merit: 1
August 15, 2013, 01:01:41 AM
Quote
Order sequence to be posted publicly, sans private information

Please identify where this information is posted.
newbie
Activity: 48
Merit: 0
August 15, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
Amy,

Please reply to my unanswered emails (TeamRedditMining @gmail).

Thanks,
WH

Hi WH,

We confirmed your order yesterday. We also confirmed that your place in our order chain would be honored from your initial attempt, last Friday. That seemed only fair since our site's issues last week had foiled your initial purchase attempt. 

In addition you were told:

> "We will be sending out a formal order confirmation today."

That was yesterday. And as you noted, your request for more information, today, has not been responded to.

I'm not sure what happened there. But I'm having someone from the sales team look into your case right now. You should be contacted shortly.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
 

Amy,

Thank you for the reply and for the status update regarding my orders. I also received your email with an update to the above, so thank you again for that.

It looks like everything should be getting squared away now, I (along with other people with $ invested) hate leaving things in limbo.

I have also just been contacted from Samantha also addressing the above issues so it is good to know that my concerns/problems are also yours.

Happier now,
WH

just waiting for your scam thread....
newbie
Activity: 34
Merit: 0
August 14, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Amy,

Please reply to my unanswered emails (TeamRedditMining @gmail).

Thanks,
WH

Hi WH,

We confirmed your order yesterday. We also confirmed that your place in our order chain would be honored from your initial attempt, last Friday. That seemed only fair since our site's issues last week had foiled your initial purchase attempt. 

In addition you were told:

> "We will be sending out a formal order confirmation today."

That was yesterday. And as you noted, your request for more information, today, has not been responded to.

I'm not sure what happened there. But I'm having someone from the sales team look into your case right now. You should be contacted shortly.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
 
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 14, 2013, 10:06:11 PM
Baby Jet product page updated just now:
  • Wording changed from "Shipments begin October 20-30" to "Shipments anticipated to begin: October 20-30"
  • The stock count just jumped around 100!  Shocked
  • New single chip mock-up image

Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units...

Stock count: it's related to the testing scenario you mention.

There was a period where the website shop was live but hidden, and we were simultaneously doing manual sales. I reduced the "inventory" available online so that we had a pool for manual sales. Didn't want to risk selling the same units twice. Now we've put those units back in the pool.

So to confirm: We are selling a total of 550 Baby Jets.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast



Amy,

Please reply to my unanswered emails (TeamRedditMining @gmail).

Thanks,
WH

are you sending emails to [email protected]?
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
August 14, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
I can honestly say that I'm not happy about the wording change to "anticipated" - Sigh.

Since they won't give refunds until January, they actually anticipate to ship well past October.
newbie
Activity: 34
Merit: 0
August 14, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Baby Jet product page updated just now:
  • Wording changed from "Shipments begin October 20-30" to "Shipments anticipated to begin: October 20-30"
  • The stock count just jumped around 100!  Shocked
  • New single chip mock-up image

Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units...

Stock count: it's related to the testing scenario you mention.

There was a period where the website shop was live but hidden, and we were simultaneously doing manual sales. I reduced the "inventory" available online so that we had a pool for manual sales. Didn't want to risk selling the same units twice. Now we've put those units back in the pool.

So to confirm: We are selling a total of 550 Baby Jets.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast

full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
August 14, 2013, 09:39:18 PM
It's actually better that they say "Anticipated", since saying otherwise implies they are certain about it, when in fact their guarantee only kicks in by the end of December.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
August 14, 2013, 09:23:21 PM
I think we all "anticipated" it would be a long shot that they would start shipping at the end of October.

Now it seems that they have come to the same conclusion.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
August 14, 2013, 09:21:36 PM
Yeah, that ain't nice. Shows some hedging.  Angry
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
August 14, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
Baby Jet product page updated just now:
  • Wording changed from "Shipments begin October 20-30" to "Shipments anticipated to begin: October 20-30"
  • The stock count just jumped around 100!  Shocked
  • New single chip mock-up image

Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units...

Before:
http://i43.tinypic.com/v8kacy.jpg

After:
http://i42.tinypic.com/351cqxx.jpg
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