We've posted a new update on our blog:
https://hashfast.com/countdown-to-tapeout/
-John
Topic: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet - page 51. (Read 119626 times)
It will all end to Silicon Valley vs Orsoc - place your bets and forget ROI. I bet HF has the backing of funds for selling at a loss for at least the 1 month difference AT BEST regarding to KnC.
Can't anyone notice the bull in the shop? wtf
Can't anyone notice the bull in the shop? wtf
@Amy
Not sure why you felt compelled to write all that in the first place. Unless they publicly put your product down first, and you are posting a reply with proof against it. If your chips are that much better just state their specs as they are and we can figure out for ourselves what suits our needs best. This type of "this is why we are better than so and so" seems a bit petty and unprofessional. In addition, claiming your chips are 11 to 16 more efficient implies it either hashes 11 to 16 times more per same wattage or draws 11 to 16 times less power to hash the same amount. Without the final products to take actual readings against each other, statements like this is misleading at best. Lastly, how many times more efficient your chips are compared to something else doesn't matter when you take into account the time factor. No one will argue with you in that your chips are vastly more efficient than batch 1 Avalons. Yet no one can argue the result that owning a batch 1 Avalon had back in the days, over owning a Baby Jet in late October 2013. KnC is presumably a month ahead in schedule and while that's yet to be proven, neither is your delivery estimates. A month of difficulty changes everything these days. Please keep it Professional.
Not sure why you felt compelled to write all that in the first place. Unless they publicly put your product down first, and you are posting a reply with proof against it. If your chips are that much better just state their specs as they are and we can figure out for ourselves what suits our needs best. This type of "this is why we are better than so and so" seems a bit petty and unprofessional. In addition, claiming your chips are 11 to 16 more efficient implies it either hashes 11 to 16 times more per same wattage or draws 11 to 16 times less power to hash the same amount. Without the final products to take actual readings against each other, statements like this is misleading at best. Lastly, how many times more efficient your chips are compared to something else doesn't matter when you take into account the time factor. No one will argue with you in that your chips are vastly more efficient than batch 1 Avalons. Yet no one can argue the result that owning a batch 1 Avalon had back in the days, over owning a Baby Jet in late October 2013. KnC is presumably a month ahead in schedule and while that's yet to be proven, neither is your delivery estimates. A month of difficulty changes everything these days. Please keep it Professional.
What a bunch of BS 
. Your chip might be more efficient but it is late. That's a way bigger sin that not being as efficient in this business. It is also more expensive than the Nov price for the KNC units (5,600 vs 5,000), not to mention that you charge what amounts to extortion prices for shipping (KNC's price is 4-5 times lower!).
KNC have stated numerous times that they don't ship in batches, and they can accommodate hundreds of orders daily. But yes, please tell us more about how we can get it from you for more money in November
. More for the base unit, and way more for shipping. I highly doubt that the efficiency will matter much in the end, a 400 GH/s chip is a 400 GH/s chip, it will take a long time for someone to recoup the price difference between the two systems based on energy savings alone.
Oh, and just to put the cherry on top, you still don't offer any CC/PayPal options. That says lots about your confidence in delivering this product on time (and not good things I am afraid).
So let's sum it up. Higher pricing for hashing unit and shipping. BTC only (no protection for buyer). Claim you can get it faster (that's just a claim without any substance, you have no idea how many chips have been ordered by KNC).
Color me unimpressed Miss/Mrs Amy Woodward.
. Your chip might be more efficient but it is late. That's a way bigger sin that not being as efficient in this business. It is also more expensive than the Nov price for the KNC units (5,600 vs 5,000), not to mention that you charge what amounts to extortion prices for shipping (KNC's price is 4-5 times lower!).KNC have stated numerous times that they don't ship in batches, and they can accommodate hundreds of orders daily. But yes, please tell us more about how we can get it from you for more money in November
. More for the base unit, and way more for shipping. I highly doubt that the efficiency will matter much in the end, a 400 GH/s chip is a 400 GH/s chip, it will take a long time for someone to recoup the price difference between the two systems based on energy savings alone.Oh, and just to put the cherry on top, you still don't offer any CC/PayPal options. That says lots about your confidence in delivering this product on time (and not good things I am afraid).
So let's sum it up. Higher pricing for hashing unit and shipping. BTC only (no protection for buyer). Claim you can get it faster (that's just a claim without any substance, you have no idea how many chips have been ordered by KNC).
Color me unimpressed Miss/Mrs Amy Woodward.
Your superior chip has not yet taped out, needs water cooling and comes only with a 10day warranty.
Not trolling, I have orders with both companies.
Not trolling, I have orders with both companies.
I'd like to write today about a small piece of why we are confident our product is better than KnCs.
So today's topic: Our silicon design is superior.
Both are 28nm designs, but HashFast's is far more powerful and energy-efficient.
Let's look at KnC's 28nm ASIC, and some basic details as we can pull from their documentation. https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25
First let's calculate the hash rate per square millimeter of silicon. This is a measure of the efficiency of the design.
Honestly, we don't need much to estimate this. The lid size for their chip is enough to make some good estimates.
KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm. (The additional space is needed for decoupling capacitors and such.)
Let's use those two numbers as bounds for the size of the silicon under the lid. If the die(s) take up just 30x30mm of the space under the lid, then:
30x30mm = 900mm^2
100 GHash / 900 mm^2 = 0.11 GHash/mm^2
Or if the die takes up a bit more of the space under the lid,
36x36mm = 1296mm^2
100 GHash / 1296mm^2 = 0.077 GHash/mm^2
HashFast's Golden Nonce chip: I don't have to estimate the size because I work at HashFast.
One 18x18mm die is able to do 400 GHash (nominal - more overclocked**)
Hashing per square mm:
18x18mm = 324mm^2
400 GHash / 324mm^2 = 1.23 GHash/mm^2
Let's compare those numbers, for the high and low values for KnC's chip:
1.23 / 0.11 = 11.2
1.23 / 0.077 = 16
So HashFast's chip is between 11 and 16 times more efficient, in hashing per square mm, than KnC's chip.
This has an impact on how fast we can deliver units to customers. One wafer of HashFast's chips has the same capacity as 11 to 16 wafers of KNCs. For each silicon wafer delivered by the foundry, KNC will be able to satisfy 11 to 16 times fewer customers than HashFast will be able to. You'll get your units faster once production starts from us.
In addition, the HashFast chip operates much more efficiently. You get four times the hash rate for the same amount of power (250W). (Based on 250W for 100 GHash from KnC, and 250W for 400 GHash from HashFast.)
Calculations such as this are a small part of why we are confident that we are delivering a quality product to our customers.
We figure it's time to start sharing.
Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
** P.S. Simon made me put in the line about overclocking. But as per the 'warranty' thread, no one would ever do that to our beautiful chips, right?
So today's topic: Our silicon design is superior.
Both are 28nm designs, but HashFast's is far more powerful and energy-efficient.
Let's look at KnC's 28nm ASIC, and some basic details as we can pull from their documentation. https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25
First let's calculate the hash rate per square millimeter of silicon. This is a measure of the efficiency of the design.
Honestly, we don't need much to estimate this. The lid size for their chip is enough to make some good estimates.
KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm. (The additional space is needed for decoupling capacitors and such.)
Let's use those two numbers as bounds for the size of the silicon under the lid. If the die(s) take up just 30x30mm of the space under the lid, then:
30x30mm = 900mm^2
100 GHash / 900 mm^2 = 0.11 GHash/mm^2
Or if the die takes up a bit more of the space under the lid,
36x36mm = 1296mm^2
100 GHash / 1296mm^2 = 0.077 GHash/mm^2
HashFast's Golden Nonce chip: I don't have to estimate the size because I work at HashFast.
One 18x18mm die is able to do 400 GHash (nominal - more overclocked**)
Hashing per square mm:
18x18mm = 324mm^2
400 GHash / 324mm^2 = 1.23 GHash/mm^2
Let's compare those numbers, for the high and low values for KnC's chip:
1.23 / 0.11 = 11.2
1.23 / 0.077 = 16
So HashFast's chip is between 11 and 16 times more efficient, in hashing per square mm, than KnC's chip.
This has an impact on how fast we can deliver units to customers. One wafer of HashFast's chips has the same capacity as 11 to 16 wafers of KNCs. For each silicon wafer delivered by the foundry, KNC will be able to satisfy 11 to 16 times fewer customers than HashFast will be able to. You'll get your units faster once production starts from us.
In addition, the HashFast chip operates much more efficiently. You get four times the hash rate for the same amount of power (250W). (Based on 250W for 100 GHash from KnC, and 250W for 400 GHash from HashFast.)
Calculations such as this are a small part of why we are confident that we are delivering a quality product to our customers.
We figure it's time to start sharing.
Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
** P.S. Simon made me put in the line about overclocking. But as per the 'warranty' thread, no one would ever do that to our beautiful chips, right?
Nice Info Amy!
@Amy:
"KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm."
Could you explain how you have arrived at these numbers? Why would the package size imply anything other than the size of the package?
"KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm."
Could you explain how you have arrived at these numbers? Why would the package size imply anything other than the size of the package?
I'd like to write today about a small piece of why we are confident our product is better than KnCs.
So today's topic: Our silicon design is superior.
Both are 28nm designs, but HashFast's is far more powerful and energy-efficient.
Let's look at KnC's 28nm ASIC, and some basic details as we can pull from their documentation. https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25
First let's calculate the hash rate per square millimeter of silicon. This is a measure of the efficiency of the design.
Honestly, we don't need much to estimate this. The lid size for their chip is enough to make some good estimates.
KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm. (The additional space is needed for decoupling capacitors and such.)
Let's use those two numbers as bounds for the size of the silicon under the lid. If the die(s) take up just 30x30mm of the space under the lid, then:
30x30mm = 900mm^2
100 GHash / 900 mm^2 = 0.11 GHash/mm^2
Or if the die takes up a bit more of the space under the lid,
36x36mm = 1296mm^2
100 GHash / 1296mm^2 = 0.077 GHash/mm^2
HashFast's Golden Nonce chip: I don't have to estimate the size because I work at HashFast.
One 18x18mm die is able to do 400 GHash (nominal - more overclocked**)
Hashing per square mm:
18x18mm = 324mm^2
400 GHash / 324mm^2 = 1.23 GHash/mm^2
Let's compare those numbers, for the high and low values for KnC's chip:
1.23 / 0.11 = 11.2
1.23 / 0.077 = 16
So HashFast's chip is between 11 and 16 times more efficient, in hashing per square mm, than KnC's chip.
This has an impact on how fast we can deliver units to customers. One wafer of HashFast's chips has the same capacity as 11 to 16 wafers of KNCs. For each silicon wafer delivered by the foundry, KNC will be able to satisfy 11 to 16 times fewer customers than HashFast will be able to. You'll get your units faster once production starts from us.
In addition, the HashFast chip operates much more efficiently. You get four times the hash rate for the same amount of power (250W). (Based on 250W for 100 GHash from KnC, and 250W for 400 GHash from HashFast.)
Calculations such as this are a small part of why we are confident that we are delivering a quality product to our customers.
We figure it's time to start sharing.
Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
** P.S. Simon made me put in the line about overclocking. But as per the 'warranty' thread, no one would ever do that to our beautiful chips, right?
So today's topic: Our silicon design is superior.
Both are 28nm designs, but HashFast's is far more powerful and energy-efficient.
Let's look at KnC's 28nm ASIC, and some basic details as we can pull from their documentation. https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25
First let's calculate the hash rate per square millimeter of silicon. This is a measure of the efficiency of the design.
Honestly, we don't need much to estimate this. The lid size for their chip is enough to make some good estimates.
KnC's diagram shows their chip has a 41.2mm lid, and implies that the silicon under that lid may be between 30mm x 30mm, and 36mm x 36mm. (The additional space is needed for decoupling capacitors and such.)
Let's use those two numbers as bounds for the size of the silicon under the lid. If the die(s) take up just 30x30mm of the space under the lid, then:
30x30mm = 900mm^2
100 GHash / 900 mm^2 = 0.11 GHash/mm^2
Or if the die takes up a bit more of the space under the lid,
36x36mm = 1296mm^2
100 GHash / 1296mm^2 = 0.077 GHash/mm^2
HashFast's Golden Nonce chip: I don't have to estimate the size because I work at HashFast.
One 18x18mm die is able to do 400 GHash (nominal - more overclocked**)
Hashing per square mm:
18x18mm = 324mm^2
400 GHash / 324mm^2 = 1.23 GHash/mm^2
Let's compare those numbers, for the high and low values for KnC's chip:
1.23 / 0.11 = 11.2
1.23 / 0.077 = 16
So HashFast's chip is between 11 and 16 times more efficient, in hashing per square mm, than KnC's chip.
This has an impact on how fast we can deliver units to customers. One wafer of HashFast's chips has the same capacity as 11 to 16 wafers of KNCs. For each silicon wafer delivered by the foundry, KNC will be able to satisfy 11 to 16 times fewer customers than HashFast will be able to. You'll get your units faster once production starts from us.
In addition, the HashFast chip operates much more efficiently. You get four times the hash rate for the same amount of power (250W). (Based on 250W for 100 GHash from KnC, and 250W for 400 GHash from HashFast.)
Calculations such as this are a small part of why we are confident that we are delivering a quality product to our customers.
We figure it's time to start sharing.
Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast
** P.S. Simon made me put in the line about overclocking. But as per the 'warranty' thread, no one would ever do that to our beautiful chips, right?
Assuming hashing begins November 1st, BTC prices @ $100, free S+H, you will ROI in 130 days and stand to make under 10%. With BTC at $120 (as they are now), the figure jumps to 30% profit.
ok, i just got off the phone with Skrodenis.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
Sorry for the delay guys, we wanted to ensure it was accurate.
I have posted it here:
https://hashfast.com/order-chain/
Orders processed during the last 48 hours will be added later today.
-John
Wow that guy that ordered 200 is going to be a happy customer.
Or very sad if they don't ship in October.
ok, i just got off the phone with Skrodenis.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
Sorry for the delay guys, we wanted to ensure it was accurate.
I have posted it here:
https://hashfast.com/order-chain/
Orders processed during the last 48 hours will be added later today.
-John
Wow that guy that ordered 200 is going to be a happy customer.
Great! thanks John.
+1 glad to see it.
Jon,
Do anticipate a date for the tape out being completed and will it be made public on blog/news? Providing meaningful updates at least once a week is a good way to differentiate yourself from your competitors.
Yes tapeout is very close and we will absolutely announce it.
Agreed. We are going to try to communicate more moving forward.
John
Great! thanks John.
+1 glad to see it.
Jon,
Do anticipate a date for the tape out being completed and will it be made public on blog/news? Providing meaningful updates at least once a week is a good way to differentiate yourself from your competitors.
Great! thanks John.
ok, i just got off the phone with Skrodenis.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
Sorry for the delay guys, we wanted to ensure it was accurate.
I have posted it here:
https://hashfast.com/order-chain/
Orders processed during the last 48 hours will be added later today.
-John
ok, i just got off the phone with Skrodenis.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
he linked me to the order queue which needs to have a couple of big orders added to it. so at least it does exist and he "promises" me it will be released sometime today.
remember, i'm just a link, not "part" of the company. i can only shake the trees and i've been doing alot of it recently.
I ordered and did NOT get email confirmation upon payment network confirmation as promised.
I didn't either for awhile, they may have to go through your order manually like they did mineI ordered and paid 9 days ago and haven't received a confirmation yet. 5 days in I emailed to ask and they said they received payment and would send order confirmation in a "few" days.
i've been told just now that they got a hold of you. are you good?
guys, i'm trying to get them to answer your questions.
try to give them a little bit more time. they are focused on the fact that tapeout is supposed to occur any day now.
you guys do deserve better.
try to give them a little bit more time. they are focused on the fact that tapeout is supposed to occur any day now.
you guys do deserve better.
Amy i haven't been able to get an answer to when this would happen. Appreciate it if someone can address this.
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- Order sequence to be posted publicly, sans private information
Yes I would like an update on this.
Amy i haven't been able to get an answer to when this would happen. Appreciate it if someone can address this.
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- Order sequence to be posted publicly, sans private information
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