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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

Have you notice how corporations took over the internet ?

I am a web dev and designer from 2008 ...i remember the internet being more human / person to person even chatting was fun back in '00 ...now the internet ...it's like a giant platform to do propaganda / advertise / spam and for narcissists to showoff on social networks like insta and fbook ...in my opinion we need to do something to get the vibe and freedom back ... else small businesses will have 0 chance against corporations and people will be continue to be programmed in to thinking the internet should be like it is now.

Not good for the economy not good for people.

It's similar to bitcoin when the movement started ... it was fun ,now di.ks with suits (fund managers ) started to hoard it...sure it is 50k now ,but you can't use it for the reason it was created... to be a currency...

Even youtube lost it's charm with does ads...

The corporations you're railing against built the internet into what it is today, and the reason they've been successful is because they're giving people something they want. You want to change it? Don't use any of the services you named. That's literally the only thing you can do. But your absence will go entirely unnoticed and it won't stop other people from using those services. The internet isn't "supposed" to be like anything. It just is what it is.

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Quote from: V-t.Ester on September 16, 2021, 06:17:05 PM

Yes, advertisements are everywhere in Internet today especially at YouTube. You can hardly find film on line without built-in X-bet ad.
Moreover, I’ve read news that corporations want to launch ads even at the night sky: https://www.albawaba.com/business/spacex-create-billboard-shows-ads-sky-1442260 https://futurism.com/startrocket-giant-ads-night-sky-cubesats . So probably soon we won’t see stars in the night sky any more, only ads. Corporations took over the internet, over our everyday life (all these ads on shops, supermarkets, billboards, cars, etc) and even over the sky.
Sometimes even in mined BTC blocks were found hidden massages: https://decrypt.co/55642/the-5-best-secret-messages-hidden-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain . Once they probably will find ads there.

It's just that the Internet has broken into the daily life of every person from a little accessible and not understandable curiosity for everyone and has imperceptibly turned into the basis of the life of the absolute majority of people, entertainment and a place of work. It would be foolish to expect that this will escape the attention of business, and we ourselves know perfectly well that the most effective and most influential tool for doing business in modern conditions are corporations. Also, no business can do without advertising. We can only try to limit their influence so that their work is also for the benefit of the ordinary person and society, and not just for profit, but it will not be possible to simply do without them.

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Quote from: V-t.Ester on September 16, 2021, 06:17:05 PM

So probably soon we won’t see stars in the night sky any more, only ads. Corporations took over the internet, over our everyday life (all these ads on shops, supermarkets, billboards, cars, etc) and even over the sky.

This is a bit overblown out of proportion i would say. I am not sure how they are going to do that, even if they do it will be a small portion and for that advertisement to shine brighter how much energy is needed, i bet a lot of energy would required to shine something from outer space, so it is not going to be a viable advertisement area from a logical stand point.

Quote from: V-t.Ester on September 16, 2021, 06:17:05 PM

Sometimes even in mined BTC blocks were found hidden massages: https://decrypt.co/55642/the-5-best-secret-messages-hidden-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain . Once they probably will find ads there.

This one, it is possible but who cares, no one is going to read those hidden messages and no one is going to spend money for those Grin

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Yes, advertisements are everywhere in Internet today especially at YouTube. You can hardly find film on line without built-in X-bet ad.
Moreover, I’ve read news that corporations want to launch ads even at the night sky: https://www.albawaba.com/business/spacex-create-billboard-shows-ads-sky-1442260 https://futurism.com/startrocket-giant-ads-night-sky-cubesats . So probably soon we won’t see stars in the night sky any more, only ads. Corporations took over the internet, over our everyday life (all these ads on shops, supermarkets, billboards, cars, etc) and even over the sky.
Sometimes even in mined BTC blocks were found hidden massages: https://decrypt.co/55642/the-5-best-secret-messages-hidden-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain . Once they probably will find ads there.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

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The free Internet ... before the 21st century, getting all kinds of software without a license was the trend and forums of this type were the novelty in communication.

bitcoin right now is no different in terms of how they have been distributed, most of BTC is in control by a few.

The participation is done, it only remains to fight for the satoshi and in the event of large investments opt for the BTC.

But given the configuration and eventual architecture of bitcoin, still it could be distributed among a few million people part of the participation in the bitcoin, that such participation generates wealth is another story, but people remain lethargic prefer to invest $ 700- $ 1000 in a cell phone.

Society does not know how to organize itself into a collective that generates power of social and economic thought, and boy, bitcoin is/was and perhaps is still a great "tool".

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

Have you notice how corporations took over the internet ?

I am a web dev and designer from 2008 ...i remember the internet being more human / person to person even chatting was fun back in '00 ...now the internet ...it's like a giant platform to do propaganda / advertise / spam and for narcissists to showoff on social networks like insta and fbook ...in my opinion we need to do something to get the vibe and freedom back ... else small businesses will have 0 chance against corporations and people will be continue to be programmed in to thinking the internet should be like it is now.

Not good for the economy not good for people.

It's similar to bitcoin when the movement started ... it was fun ,now di.ks with suits (fund managers ) started to hoard it...sure it is 50k now ,but you can't use it for the reason it was created... to be a currency...

Even youtube lost it's charm with does ads...

Do NOT be surprised by all the changes they make in favor of advertising, it is day to day, when you watch TV there is also advertising, on the radio there is advertising and obviously on the internet it is more open to advertising, which It must be borne in mind that for the internet as in any field of entertainment or whatever has to do with knowledge and any subject, there will always be a business model that will be used by corporations and others.

The times are changing as the world does too, currently technology innovates, there are new projects, there are new visions, and everything has to do with corporations, from there a lot of money is handled, the sense of fun or enjoyment cannot be lose for that reason.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

Have you notice how corporations took over the internet ?

I am a web dev and designer from 2008 ...i remember the internet being more human / person to person even chatting was fun back in '00 ...now the internet ...it's like a giant platform to do propaganda / advertise / spam and for narcissists to showoff on social networks like insta and fbook ...in my opinion we need to do something to get the vibe and freedom back ... else small businesses will have 0 chance against corporations and people will be continue to be programmed in to thinking the internet should be like it is now.

Not good for the economy not good for people.

It's similar to bitcoin when the movement started ... it was fun ,now di.ks with suits (fund managers ) started to hoard it...sure it is 50k now ,but you can't use it for the reason it was created... to be a currency...

Even youtube lost it's charm with does ads...

I honestly agree, back before the price of the bitcoin started going into the ten thousands people view bitcoin as a currency and as a way to send and receive transactions without taking thing way to seriously without thinking about the future of the price, but now everyone and i mean everyone who is using bitcoin is using it to make profit and investing in it just because the price is highly volatile in hopes that they will become millionaires because of it, keeping the same idea in their head and forgetting the true purpose of it and how it is a change for the corrupt system that we live in.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on September 12, 2021, 06:30:23 PM

The Internet will never go back to its good old days. But I can't agree with the idea that corporations took something over. Internet went mainstream and most people choose to spend their time on the big sites instead of looking for smaller sites. This doesn't mean that you are not allowed to visit any site you want or that you can't host any site you want. There are people who still use IRC channels or create personal websites or communicate through mailing lists.

They actually did take over. Most people didn't really choose to spend their time on big sites - it's mostly that they somehow manipulated you to do so. Think of the ads nowadays - most of them are very, very relevant to what you're interested in. Why? They're tracking you and then they're showing you the ads you specifically have an interest in.

And then, think of Google's reCaptcha. They're using you to improve their own AI so that they could manipulate you even more in the future or use the tech to their own good. Almost any website I am trying to visit through Tor requires a completion of Google's reCaptcha which I don't choose but have to complete - if I want to browse the web with at least a little privacy, this is what I get. I literally have to work for their AI to browse it.

I guess you've used Google's search engine before and noticed how accurate it is.. people "choose" big sites (e.g. Google over DuckDuckGo) because they provide relevant results post-tracking. They collect the needed info about you and then they provide you the perfect results.. which now includes even shopping suggestions that coincidentally are products from your favorite shops. They took over by implementing anti-privacy scripts and features everywhere to make you addicted to their websites by manipulation.

Agreed, people are willing to sacrifice their full privacy for a little bit of comfort, I remember when the first search engines came out and you needed to go through many pages to find what you were looking for since they were far from perfect, but at the same time this gave you the possibility of visiting many websites that you would have never found out otherwise, however now the results are more accurate which could seem like a good thing right? Well that is wrong because the way they give more accurate results is by people sacrificing their privacy and that is never a good thing.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

Have you notice how corporations took over the internet ?

I am a web dev and designer from 2008 ...i remember the internet being more human / person to person even chatting was fun back in '00 ...now the internet ...it's like a giant platform to do propaganda / advertise / spam and for narcissists to showoff on social networks like insta and fbook ...in my opinion we need to do something to get the vibe and freedom back ... else small businesses will have 0 chance against corporations and people will be continue to be programmed in to thinking the internet should be like it is now.

Not good for the economy not good for people.

What can we do about an issue like this? Even if there is a solution to it, it is going to be a very difficult thing to achieve. things keep on changing all the time and it’s difficult for us to change it. And yes what you have said is true, Bitcoin has really changed and the community has changed and it’s not as fun as it used to be before.

Everyone that’s coming now just wants to invest and make money and get rich immediately, nobody is talking about how they can use Bitcoin as a currency or trade for transactions daily, they just want to get rich and that’s it for them. There should be lots of companies that are making payments with Bitcoin and paying their employees with it. Things has got to change.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on September 06, 2021, 09:43:54 PM

Have you notice how corporations took over the internet ?

I am a web dev and designer from 2008 ...i remember the internet being more human / person to person even chatting was fun back in '00 ...now the internet ...it's like a giant platform to do propaganda / advertise / spam and for narcissists to showoff on social networks like insta and fbook ...in my opinion we need to do something to get the vibe and freedom back ... else small businesses will have 0 chance against corporations and people will be continue to be programmed in to thinking the internet should be like it is now.

Not good for the economy not good for people.

It's similar to bitcoin when the movement started ... it was fun ,now di.ks with suits (fund managers ) started to hoard it...sure it is 50k now ,but you can't use it for the reason it was created... to be a currency...

Even youtube lost it's charm with does ads...

Back then internet was more restricted. There was a more select (demanding) group of people who had access to internet only, so the services provided had to be proportional to the taste of that public who didn't accept anything like nowadays. I believe those were good times because the public was actually on the control of the digital platforms. Websites had to please their users to remain popular, while what we see now is the public being controlled by the digital platforms. What the conscious portion of the users want and ask for doesn't matter anymore, because there is a much larger portion that accepts anything imposed to them by the big techs.

And since numbers (quantity) is all that matters for these giants they will just ignore the opinions of those who were in this universe since the beginning and cared about the quality of the environment and of their experiences.

Every services or products which have the masses as public target will lose all its charm and grace. Think about it for a while and I'm sure you will be able to find out many different examples.

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on September 13, 2021, 06:32:49 AM

I guess you've used Google's search engine before and noticed how accurate it is.. people "choose" big sites (e.g. Google over DuckDuckGo) because they provide relevant results post-tracking. They collect the needed info about you and then they provide you the perfect results.. which now includes even shopping suggestions that coincidentally are products from your favorite shops. They took over by implementing anti-privacy scripts and features everywhere to make you addicted to their websites by manipulation.

So they manipulated people by providing them what they want? That's called free market. Taking over means using force, but these companies didn't force smaller sites to shut down, they didn't threaten them, they just won the competition.

I blame people for giving away their privacy, not companies that simply try to act in the most optimal way for gaining profit while obeying the law.

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Quote from: maju69 on September 12, 2021, 05:56:30 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 11, 2021, 04:45:08 PM

Yeah, I've noticed that. It's being used for propaganda and other way to distract and destruct what's currently we're having. These media companies have migrated to the internet and they have no choice because they'll be left behind.

Well, we just got used to it and these corporations that have been using all their might to adopt the evolution like with the internet. I think there's no way to stop their reign and we just have to accept the fact that we should be choosy on what content we have to read, watch and search.

Besides the migration of large companies to the internet, people who have long been selling and looking for income on the internet have been crushed by greater influence. We know that any company must be able to keep up with the times and not be left behind in the financial sector on the internet and create a kind of network, a community whose role is to encourage the company to be better known. Until finally, what was neglected were local products.

It's the sad truth that there's this mentality from everyone that they don't like to use local products. I think this is a problem not just to be shouldered alone by the government but as well as its citizens. There should be a call for support for the local products and those young entrepreneurs that are residing in your country. Especially in these trying times, a lot of people have been doing everything in the internet and selling things that they possess just to sustain their needs.

The large companies will just continue to supply, manufacturer and sell those products that they have with ease. While the other businesses and startups that just got in, they'll go through with a hard start and if they have the same product or goods as the large and established companies, they cannot bear the competition.

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Well I do think that it's something that should be expected in the first place. The internet is for sure a very powerful tool which people with power are able to afford and to influence. The way YouTube changed themselves is the way most of the applications are trying to change themselves slowly.

- I do believe that bitcoins was not exactly meant to be a currency but rather to support the user, if the user is really into investing and rather than just using it as a currency, they might as well do it. I think it honestly depends on the user and not on anything else.

Things are paid for now a days.
YouTube is getting more and more like commerical applications, but you can't blame them since this is actually what's been happening to everyone else as well. Therefore they have to be in par with everything.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 12, 2021, 05:16:19 PM

I don't think that's a cheat. It's about the new way of gaining information and internet really is something that we need.

Maybe the use of the word rigged sounds redundant, I admit it. However, by saying access to the use of various platforms is free when they collect all of our data into a collection and trade it to bind our psychology as users. This we should be able to prevent by limiting the use of the concept as necessary.

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And I can't blame them really. They may be assuming the majority of it, but it does provide the results that most people look for most of the time. The cost being reasonable is still up to question, but the results of what they've done can't exactly be denied. At the same time though, the same costs can't just be ignored just because of the benefits they give us. Really it's just a matter of what they're going to ask us to pay for us to receive the benefit. It may be unfair for some, but hey, nothing we can do about it, big wigs have the final say most of the time. A matter of perspective maybe?

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on September 12, 2021, 06:30:23 PM

The Internet will never go back to its good old days. But I can't agree with the idea that corporations took something over. Internet went mainstream and most people choose to spend their time on the big sites instead of looking for smaller sites. This doesn't mean that you are not allowed to visit any site you want or that you can't host any site you want. There are people who still use IRC channels or create personal websites or communicate through mailing lists.

They actually did take over. Most people didn't really choose to spend their time on big sites - it's mostly that they somehow manipulated you to do so. Think of the ads nowadays - most of them are very, very relevant to what you're interested in. Why? They're tracking you and then they're showing you the ads you specifically have an interest in.

And then, think of Google's reCaptcha. They're using you to improve their own AI so that they could manipulate you even more in the future or use the tech to their own good. Almost any website I am trying to visit through Tor requires a completion of Google's reCaptcha which I don't choose but have to complete - if I want to browse the web with at least a little privacy, this is what I get. I literally have to work for their AI to browse it.

I guess you've used Google's search engine before and noticed how accurate it is.. people "choose" big sites (e.g. Google over DuckDuckGo) because they provide relevant results post-tracking. They collect the needed info about you and then they provide you the perfect results.. which now includes even shopping suggestions that coincidentally are products from your favorite shops. They took over by implementing anti-privacy scripts and features everywhere to make you addicted to their websites by manipulation.

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this is true and even me i do also like the old way of chatting using a wap browser in my nokia phone compare to what i have right now .
not only in the internet but to also the other things in my life , i can feel that old is more golder .

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It's similar to bitcoin when the movement started ... it was fun ,now di.ks with suits (fund managers ) started to hoard it...sure it is 50k now ,but you can't use it for the reason it was created... to be a currency...

why not ? i can still be able to use my bitcoin as a currency and i enjoy it latey because the fees are now getting low and confirmation times are now faster .
btc was fun before because getting it is easy and less costy but not really at the moment .

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The Internet will never go back to its good old days. But I can't agree with the idea that corporations took something over. Internet went mainstream and most people choose to spend their time on the big sites instead of looking for smaller sites. This doesn't mean that you are not allowed to visit any site you want or that you can't host any site you want. There are people who still use IRC channels or create personal websites or communicate through mailing lists.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 11, 2021, 04:45:08 PM

Yeah, I've noticed that. It's being used for propaganda and other way to distract and destruct what's currently we're having. These media companies have migrated to the internet and they have no choice because they'll be left behind.

Well, we just got used to it and these corporations that have been using all their might to adopt the evolution like with the internet. I think there's no way to stop their reign and we just have to accept the fact that we should be choosy on what content we have to read, watch and search.

Besides the migration of large companies to the internet, people who have long been selling and looking for income on the internet have been crushed by greater influence. We know that any company must be able to keep up with the times and not be left behind in the financial sector on the internet and create a kind of network, a community whose role is to encourage the company to be better known. Until finally, what was neglected were local products.

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Quote from: oHnK on September 12, 2021, 12:13:17 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 11, 2021, 04:45:08 PM

Yeah, I've noticed that. It's being used for propaganda and other way to distract and destruct what's currently we're having. These media companies have migrated to the internet and they have no choice because they'll be left behind.

Well, we just got used to it and these corporations that have been using all their might to adopt the evolution like with the internet. I think there's no way to stop their reign and we just have to accept the fact that we should be choosy on what content we have to read, watch and search.

In the reality, there's no free lunch. In the internet, there's no free access. All of us have been cheated by the design of internet which interest full of our attention in 24 hour. We spent our whole life more than 50% with the internet. The corporation designed this innovation looks like really ease us but behind of this, they ask pay for our whole time and psycology. Propaganda is one of kind side effect which is supported by the corporation. We will blame each other just because one side that we looked, but the corporation hides the biggest secret just for their own profit.

I don't think that's a cheat. It's about the new way of gaining information and internet really is something that we need. Before it's just a want but now, it became a necessity. Not just only for businesses but also in our daily life. Well, it's a fact that mostly doesn't have free access but there are some places that do provide it for free and people are talking advantage it.

20 years ago I think, when it was like a new thing and majority were staying away on it as they don't know how to use it.

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