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Topic: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) - page 45. (Read 290235 times)

legendary
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Wonderful concept. This thread is required reading. Best of luck in 2015.

Thanks, I appreciate it!
hero member
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Wonderful concept. This thread is required reading. Best of luck in 2015.
legendary
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Period 28, Day 0 Report - December 31, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 185.23731184

Total Units: 22723

NAV/U: BTC 0.00815197
legendary
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Period 27 End Report - December 31, 2014


Previous Units              20065
EXCH Sold                   2658
Less Buybacks              0
New Total Units        22723

Previous Balance          182.61601119
Price per EXCH             Variable
Gross Sales of EXCH      24.11966348

Less Fees                    0.09639702
Less Dividends              19.46582280
Less Buybacks              0.00000000
Less Mgmt Fee              0.53027100
Net Balance            186.64318385

End of Period NAV/U     0.00821384

New Difficulty                  40,640,955,017
New Daily Dividend         0.00006187
New Reserve per Unit        0.01237400

New Reserve Less NAV/U = 0.01237400 - 0.00821384 = -0.00416016


SELL Dividend                 None (Because NAV/U is less than 200 Days of Dividends)

Days of Dividends On Hand    ~132.7

You'll notice that I calculate the new Dividend to eight digits and multiply that times 200 Days to get the new Reserve. Those of you that did your own calculations may come up with a slightly different number if you chose not to round or to round elsewhere.

New EXCH Sales Starting Price          0.00839653

NOTE:
I believe that the EXCH trial run went well, I'll continue updating the price as the reports go out. This should be every day, but there have been a few exceptions in the past and there may be in the future. I want to be clear that those that purchase EXCH are doing so at that price willingly, I won't be doing any refunds (for the price difference) for units purchased after 12PM but before the new report is issued / EXCH price changed, for example.

Happy early New Year!
legendary
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Well although I can't speak for everyone, I do have an account on CEX, and on their chat a lot of people were complaining of not making any money with buying the GHS's and the whole cloud mining. I myself gave it a hardy try, but even after a good 5 or 6 months I was still only loosing money with the cloud mining. I ended up selling all of my GHS's with a loss of about 1/2 of my investment. So doing the whole cloud mining thing (with CEX anyway) just did not work for me. The maintenance fees were killing me and that is why I lost money. I kept my account open just for trading purposes only. So far I have been investing in Bitcoin since Feb, 2014 and my best investments are with Havelock Investment funds. I doubt I will ever get back into any cloud mining at this point in time.

This year has been really tough for investment across the BTC space. So many have turned out very unprofitable or even outright scams; it's hard to believe that BTCT and Bitfunder closed down a year ago, I'm not sure if it feels like longer or shorter than that.

Keep in mind with BDD that it's meant more as a hedging or speculating tool - there isn't any real hashpower behind it and there is a definite end-game / maximum payout that can be achieved. So many cloud mining operations, GHS included, do very poorly when BTC is low due to the maintenance fees, however.
newbie
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I have a question for twentyseventy. After the "End Game" does occur, are you going to do it again with BDD, the same or similar setup? I have enjoyed it greatly, and I strongly encourage you to do it again. I have had fun with it, as I hope you have and many others as well. Plus i hope it has been profitable for everyone.  Grin

Thanks, I'm glad you've found it helpful/useful/fun and I appreciate the comments. To be honest, I haven't decided yet - I know that some are looking for a more easily understood contract these days (with the prevalence of cloud mining, CEX GHS, etc). Depending on the difficulty, this could run for another few months or really for another full year. I'll begin nailing down my next steps, if any, when that time starts to come closer. Cheers  Smiley

Well although I can't speak for everyone, I do have an account on CEX, and on their chat a lot of people were complaining of not making any money with buying the GHS's and the whole cloud mining. I myself gave it a hardy try, but even after a good 5 or 6 months I was still only loosing money with the cloud mining. I ended up selling all of my GHS's with a loss of about 1/2 of my investment. So doing the whole cloud mining thing (with CEX anyway) just did not work for me. The maintenance fees were killing me and that is why I lost money. I kept my account open just for trading purposes only. So far I have been investing in Bitcoin since Feb, 2014 and my best investments are with Havelock Investment funds. I doubt I will ever get back into any cloud mining at this point in time.
legendary
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Period 27, Day 13 Report - December 30, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 185.80404523

Total Units: 22621

NAV/U: BTC 0.00821378
legendary
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Period 27, Day 12 Report - December 29, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 185.54547308

Total Units: 22416

NAV/U: BTC 0.00827736
legendary
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Period 27, Day 11 Report - December 28, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 186.87346604

Total Units: 22404

NAV/U: BTC 0.00834107
legendary
Activity: 1386
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I have a question for twentyseventy. After the "End Game" does occur, are you going to do it again with BDD, the same or similar setup? I have enjoyed it greatly, and I strongly encourage you to do it again. I have had fun with it, as I hope you have and many others as well. Plus i hope it has been profitable for everyone.  Grin

Thanks, I'm glad you've found it helpful/useful/fun and I appreciate the comments. To be honest, I haven't decided yet - I know that some are looking for a more easily understood contract these days (with the prevalence of cloud mining, CEX GHS, etc). Depending on the difficulty, this could run for another few months or really for another full year. I'll begin nailing down my next steps, if any, when that time starts to come closer. Cheers  Smiley
legendary
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Period 27, Day 10 Report - December 27, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 188.15786146

Total Units: 22387

NAV/U: BTC 0.00840478
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
I have a question for twentyseventy. After the "End Game" does occur, are you going to do it again with BDD, the same or similar setup? I have enjoyed it greatly, and I strongly encourage you to do it again. I have had fun with it, as I hope you have and many others as well. Plus i hope it has been profitable for everyone.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1386
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Period 27, Day 9 Report - December 26, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 189.48250330

Total Units: 22375

NAV/U: BTC 0.00846849
legendary
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Period 27, Day 8 Report - December 25, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 190.90823830

Total Units: 22375

NAV/U: BTC 0.00853221
legendary
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Period 27, Day 7 Report - December 24, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 192.17876914

Total Units: 22357

NAV/U: BTC 0.00859591
hero member
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Got it, thanks.
legendary
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Period 27, Day 6 Report - December 23, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 191.36607260

Total Units: 22101

NAV/U: BTC 0.00865870

So, this will expire once the balance gets to zero ?

Yes, per the contract, the fund will be closed and pay out all of its funds once the NAV/U reaches 0.0002 BTC (.2mBTC). The contract cannot pay out (much) more than the NAV/U, so MINE holders can only receive a maximum of the NAV/U and no more. SELL holders will receive some of this amount if the Difficulty significantly increases and outpaces the resulting decline MINE payouts.
hero member
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So, this will expire once the balance gets to zero ?
legendary
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Period 27, Day 5 Report - December 22, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 192.17069673

Total Units: 22032

NAV/U: BTC 0.00872234
legendary
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Period 27, Day 4 Report - December 21, 2014

Balance Post Divs: BTC 193.57457577

Total Units: 22032

NAV/U: BTC 0.00878606
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