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October 18, 2016, 05:13:50 AM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body
Do you have a link to data that proves this? as far as I'm concerned anybody can get sick, the virus won't ask a question "are you a Christian?" before infecting a human being.  Fasting may be good for body, but no evidence that religious people get less sick than non-religious without a link to data.

The pill is linked to depression – and doctors can no longer ignore it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives
It's easy to be depressed in this world, you don't need the pill for that. Many media companies sell negativity. Disasters, war, disease, end of days.. they broadcast anything just to get money.


I also think that no one can prove the connection between health and religion. Especially if this connection is not) religious people can ascribe to themselves all sorts of virtues, which are not
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October 18, 2016, 02:40:23 AM
90-Year-Old Florida Man Faces Jail Time, $500 Fine For Feeding Homeless
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/04/man-90-arrested-feeding-homeless_n_6100738.html
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A Florida city was quick to show how serious it is about its new homeless feeding ban by making an example out of a 90-year-old advocate who’s been helping the hungry for two decades.

On Sunday police cited two Christian ministers and volunteer Arnold Abbott, 90, who runs the advocacy group, Love The Neighbor, Local 10 News reported.

The three served less than a handful of the 300 meals they prepared before the police run in, according to the Sentinel.

They each now face 60 days in jail and $500 fines.

“These are the poorest of the poor, they have nothing, they don’t have a roof over their heads,” Abbott, who plans on suing the city, told Local 10 News. “How do you turn them away?”



Dozen Arrested For Feeding Homeless In Orlando
http://www.govtslaves.info/dozen-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-in-orlando/
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Members of the organization Food Not Bombs were in good spirits as they passed out corn on the cob, rice, beans and other vegetarian dishes to the homeless and hungry in an Orlando park. This cheer was interrupted when police officers on bicycles arrived and arrested five of the volunteers.

This is not the first time this scene has played out for members of Food Not Bombs.

Since June 1, a dozen members of the group have been arrested for violating a new Orlando city ordinance that prohibits sharing food with large groups in downtown parks more than twice a year.

The mayor of Orlando even branded them “food terrorists.”

Economics of Religion
http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/economics-of-religion
Quote from: National Catholic Register
It would be difficult to convince the staff of a Catholic soup kitchen feeding the homeless that they are actually helping the U.S. economy, but that is exactly what an academic journal reports in its study on the economic impact of America’s churches. The Interdisciplinary Journal of Research on Religion found that religious communities contribute $1.2 trillion each year to the American economy.

These contributions range from the traditional economic drivers of any business to charitable giving, caring for the sick and poor, education and other kinds of services. That is more than the annual revenues of the top 10 tech companies, including Apple, Amazon and Google, combined. And if the $1.2 trillion is viewed in terms of the Gross Domestic Product, religion in the U.S. would be ranked as the 15th-largest national economy in the world.

The study looked at the 344,894 congregations in the country, from 236 religious denominations (217 are Christian, and the rest include everything from Shinto to Zoroastrianism). What it discovered was that believers are not only contributing massively to the economy, but they are incredibly generous, too. Despite declining religious affiliation in the U.S. population, religious communities have actually tripled the amount of money spent on social programs in the last 15 years, donating $9 billion to the cause.

At a time when the relevance of faith is being questioned by media elites and the government, and when believers — Christians, above all — are being ridiculed and pushed out of the public square, there is now tangible evidence of the practical value that the mere presence of faith offers to America. Believers are a vital and vibrant part of the economic and social life of the United States, as vital and vibrant as at any time in American history.

If people in America understood that common law trumps civil law in America, they would take the police to court as people rather than as police. Man to man their "law" isn't any greater than yours. And if they have injured you, even by wasting your time in an arrest, as long as you have injured nobody, there is no case against you. But you have a claim against them for wasting your time or whatever other injury they have done to you.

This is what Karl Lentz is showing us:

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html = Angela Stark's Talkshoe.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw = TrustInAllLaw snippets of Karl's audios.

http://www.broadmind.org/ = Karl's main page.

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/ = Karl's United Kingdom page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da = Craig Lynch's snippets page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D = Ten great Youtube videos, might be the best introduction to Karl.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=127469&cmd=tc = Karl's Talkshoe site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iua56K4Mysk = Karl Lentz - The Brian Bonar Incident - YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdHLHWS4gPE = Lentz-Sense - don't be a More~On - YouTube.


Other Info

http://voidjudgments.com/ = The Secret is most judgments are Void on their face and not merely voidable.

http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm = Trinsey v. Pagliaro - Attorneys cannot "speak" in common law trials if the one who is bringing the suit orders it. Holding from Trinsey v. Pagliaro: "An attorney for the plaintiff cannot admit evidence into the court. He is either an attorney or a witness."

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legendary
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October 17, 2016, 05:53:21 PM
90-Year-Old Florida Man Faces Jail Time, $500 Fine For Feeding Homeless
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/04/man-90-arrested-feeding-homeless_n_6100738.html
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A Florida city was quick to show how serious it is about its new homeless feeding ban by making an example out of a 90-year-old advocate who’s been helping the hungry for two decades.

On Sunday police cited two Christian ministers and volunteer Arnold Abbott, 90, who runs the advocacy group, Love The Neighbor, Local 10 News reported.

The three served less than a handful of the 300 meals they prepared before the police run in, according to the Sentinel.

They each now face 60 days in jail and $500 fines.

“These are the poorest of the poor, they have nothing, they don’t have a roof over their heads,” Abbott, who plans on suing the city, told Local 10 News. “How do you turn them away?”



Dozen Arrested For Feeding Homeless In Orlando
http://www.govtslaves.info/dozen-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-in-orlando/
Quote
Members of the organization Food Not Bombs were in good spirits as they passed out corn on the cob, rice, beans and other vegetarian dishes to the homeless and hungry in an Orlando park. This cheer was interrupted when police officers on bicycles arrived and arrested five of the volunteers.

This is not the first time this scene has played out for members of Food Not Bombs.

Since June 1, a dozen members of the group have been arrested for violating a new Orlando city ordinance that prohibits sharing food with large groups in downtown parks more than twice a year.

The mayor of Orlando even branded them “food terrorists.”

Economics of Religion
http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/economics-of-religion
Quote from: National Catholic Register
It would be difficult to convince the staff of a Catholic soup kitchen feeding the homeless that they are actually helping the U.S. economy, but that is exactly what an academic journal reports in its study on the economic impact of America’s churches. The Interdisciplinary Journal of Research on Religion found that religious communities contribute $1.2 trillion each year to the American economy.

These contributions range from the traditional economic drivers of any business to charitable giving, caring for the sick and poor, education and other kinds of services. That is more than the annual revenues of the top 10 tech companies, including Apple, Amazon and Google, combined. And if the $1.2 trillion is viewed in terms of the Gross Domestic Product, religion in the U.S. would be ranked as the 15th-largest national economy in the world.

The study looked at the 344,894 congregations in the country, from 236 religious denominations (217 are Christian, and the rest include everything from Shinto to Zoroastrianism). What it discovered was that believers are not only contributing massively to the economy, but they are incredibly generous, too. Despite declining religious affiliation in the U.S. population, religious communities have actually tripled the amount of money spent on social programs in the last 15 years, donating $9 billion to the cause.

At a time when the relevance of faith is being questioned by media elites and the government, and when believers — Christians, above all — are being ridiculed and pushed out of the public square, there is now tangible evidence of the practical value that the mere presence of faith offers to America. Believers are a vital and vibrant part of the economic and social life of the United States, as vital and vibrant as at any time in American history.
newbie
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October 16, 2016, 11:43:44 AM
yes religion have very strong effect on ones health, when people give proper time to their religion and practice their religion on regular basis then it really keep the health of the person really healthy.
legendary
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October 16, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
I find higher IQ people to be better well adjusted, and healthier. They have a better understanding of nutrition, while lower IQ people are more prone to go by what feels good. I can see how higher IQ people will have members that have problems like depression and all, since they are less likely to be in la la land, and mindlessly find pleasure in fantasies. But the OP takes it to mean that all higher IQ people suffer from such things.

Higher IQ people tend to be more well-adjusted in society because they are more deeply indoctrinated, they typically do not perform as well outside of their element.
Because knowledge is not perfect/comprehensive, the 'edge' they hold over lower IQ people is true only within the human world. In a bigger picture, there is no difference between higher and lower IQ people because they are both flawed.
However, the modern world is a design/vision of intelligence first and foremost, it is only natural that higher IQ people are celebrated in society.
It's just a shame that lower IQ people are not recognized for their actual worth and contribution to human progress. Having easier access to "la la land" means that their minds are more flexible, more accommodating of new ideas, this complements the rigidness of sharp traditional intelligence.
Human intelligence is a lot more vulnerable/fragile than people think and this is because knowledge has yet to encompass everything.
For intelligent people, not being able to figure out the why's and how's can be downright scary. Not so much for less intelligent people, they help take some of the edge off the unknown. The less intelligent is somewhat of a muse to the intelligent.
sr. member
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October 15, 2016, 05:57:24 PM
I find higher IQ people to be better well adjusted, and healthier. They have a better understanding of nutrition, while lower IQ people are more prone to go by what feels good. I can see how higher IQ people will have members that have problems like depression and all, since they are less likely to be in la la land, and mindlessly find pleasure in fantasies. But the OP takes it to mean that all higher IQ people suffer from such things.
legendary
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October 15, 2016, 04:02:27 PM
Stanford Health Opens Clinic For Transgender Children
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Stanford-Health-Opens-Clinic-For-Transgender-Children--396872401.html
Quote from:  Ryann Vargas
The Stanford Children’s Health Gender Clinic now provides hormonal, psycho-social, and gynecologic services for gender non-conforming youth in the Bay Area. The clinic officially opened in Sunnyvale on July 1 2016.
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Now, the Gender Clinic gives patients and their families a one-stop shop for multidisciplinary health. A pediatric endocrinologist, urologist, gynecologist, along with an adolescent medicine specialist and social worker all work together in the new clinic.
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"There are usually two phases of hormone treatment," Dr. Tandy Aye said.

"One is to kind of stop puberty when puberty begins in young children. It's to kind of halt it so that the child doesn't experience the wrong puberty, the biological puberty, and it should be the one that they identify with."

The "halt" Aye says gives patients and their parents time to process what is happening and to continue to make decisions before the second round of hormones.

"Around age 16 and sometimes younger that's when what we call the cross-sex hormones get added into so they can make that transition," Aye said

Gender Ideology Harms Children
https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
Quote from: American College of Pediatricians
The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.
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Puberty is not a disease and puberty-blocking hormones can be dangerous. Reversible or not, puberty- blocking hormones induce a state of disease – the absence of puberty – and inhibit growth and fertility in a previously biologically healthy child....
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According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty.
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Rates of suicide are twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBTQ – affirming countries. What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?
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Conditioning children into believing that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to “gender clinics” where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures that they will “choose” a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.

American College of Pediatricians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians
Quote from: wikipedia
The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a small, socially conservative advocacy group of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States.

The group was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians, including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)...

ACPeds describes itself as "a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children... committed to fulfilling its mission by producing sound policy, based upon the best available research, to assist parents and to influence society in the endeavor of childrearing."

Zanga has described it as a group with Judeo-Christian, traditional values.
legendary
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October 11, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body

for real dude. it doesn't matter what you're religion is as long as you take care of your body by eating right and exercising, you won't easily get sick. being healthy doesn't have anything to do with the religion you're affiliated with come on

If all that stuff is what your religion is, you have failed at the time of your death.

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October 11, 2016, 09:23:16 AM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body

for real dude. it doesn't matter what you're religion is as long as you take care of your body by eating right and exercising, you won't easily get sick. being healthy doesn't have anything to do with the religion you're affiliated with come on
legendary
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October 09, 2016, 03:07:51 PM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body
Do you have a link to data that proves this? as far as I'm concerned anybody can get sick, the virus won't ask a question "are you a Christian?" before infecting a human being.  Fasting may be good for body, but no evidence that religious people get less sick than non-religious without a link to data.

The pill is linked to depression – and doctors can no longer ignore it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives
It's easy to be depressed in this world, you don't need the pill for that. Many media companies sell negativity. Disasters, war, disease, end of days.. they broadcast anything just to get money.


Right! Here's another one - http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/.

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October 09, 2016, 06:57:33 AM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body
Do you have a link to data that proves this? as far as I'm concerned anybody can get sick, the virus won't ask a question "are you a Christian?" before infecting a human being.  Fasting may be good for body, but no evidence that religious people get less sick than non-religious without a link to data.

The pill is linked to depression – and doctors can no longer ignore it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives
It's easy to be depressed in this world, you don't need the pill for that. Many media companies sell negativity. Disasters, war, disease, end of days.. they broadcast anything just to get money.
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October 09, 2016, 06:04:54 AM
Religious people rarely get sick. But I think it comes from the fact that they are fasting. Christians are fasting forty days before Easter. It is good for their body
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October 08, 2016, 05:47:09 PM
health and religion is same for me
this important for me
legendary
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October 08, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
The pill is linked to depression – and doctors can no longer ignore it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives

Quote from: Holly Grigg-Spall
A newly published study from the University of Copenhagen has confirmed a link between hormonal contraceptives and depression. The largest of its kind, with one million Danish women between the ages of 15 and 34 tracked for a total of 13 years, it’s the kind of study that women such as me, who have experienced the side-effects of birth control-induced depression first hand, have been waiting for.

Women taking pill more likely to be treated for depression, study finds Researchers found that women taking the combined oral contraceptive were 23% more likely to be diagnosed with depression and those using progestin-only pills (also known as “the mini-pill”) were 34% more likely. Teens were at the greatest risk of depression, with an 80% increase when taking the combined pill, and that risk is two-fold with the progestin-only pill. In addition, other hormone-based methods commonly offered to women seeking an alternative to the pill – such as the hormonal IUS/coil, the patch and the ring – were shown to increase depression at a rate much higher than either kind of oral contraceptives.

In recent years we’ve seen efforts from the NHS and family planning organisations to encourage teens to use these so-called LARCs (long-acting reversible contraceptives), primarily because they eliminate the need to remember to take a pill every day, but also due to the fact they’re commonly believed to have less severe potential side-effects than the pill. The new research suggests this practice is misguided. We already know that those with pre-existing depression may find the pill worsens their symptoms, and if teens were at greater risk of depression, then continuing this practice would be negligent

The researchers note that, because GPs are less likely to prescribe the pill to women who already have depression and because women who do experience depression on the pill are more likely to stop taking it, this study probably underestimates the potential negative affect that hormonal contraceptives can have on mental health.

Study can be found here
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2552796
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September 24, 2016, 03:08:55 PM
I cannot evaluate your concept of nihilism without further detail specifically your first posit and what you derive from it. However, the typical concept of nihilism argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or value, and that morality does not inherently exist. It argues that established moral values are simply contrived abstractions. This definition appears inconsistent with your a priori assertion of the good as perfection.
The first thing to know is that there is nothing simple about abstractions.

Again you provide little to nothing. An emptiness that seems consistent with nihilism itself. You reject ontology where infinity grounds finitude yet refuse to offer any alternative other then a first posit that there is no infinite. You argue that nihilism somehow allows for complex abstractions that allow you to define the good as perfection yet offer none of these abstractions. As a logical framework you are falling far short of ontology grounded in the infinite.

Quote from: Pinchas ben Yair
(Study of holy scripture) brings one to vigilance, vigilance bring one to alacrity, alacrity brings one to cleanliness, cleanliness brings one to abstinence, abstinence brings one to purity, purity brings one to piety, piety brings one to humility, humility brings one to fear of sin, fear of sin brings one to holiness, holiness brings one to Divine inspiration, Divine inspiration brings one to the resurrection of the dead.
 
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September 23, 2016, 05:10:16 AM
Religion as any system protects their be committed. They need this system to recharge its energy. Therefore, I believe that the system maintains a good level of health of their people, so they served it longer
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September 21, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
I agree, the confusion between concepts and reality is an essential problem, however the concept of reality (or Being, or Gods) is itself a confusion of a concept of infinity for something existing outside of a concept, this is my whole point.
Infinity is said to be inconceivable by man, but this is actually an "unknown unknown"; man does not really know what he is missing from God's invisible universe. During his mortal stage he has but the one language of the senses, but as he becomes aware of his immortal nature he gradually acquires an understanding of the divine language of Light which comes to him from out of the silence.

The human race is still in its infancy.

Witness, for example, the many schools and foundations which have been formed for "advanced learning" and "higher knowledge". All that have so far been formed show by their teachings and curricula that their conception of higher knowledge is limited to finding out more about the MATERIAL universe through sensed observation and deductive reasoning. They do not even suggest the necessity of reaching out to the Mind-Source of the material universe. The very facts of the matter are that it is certainly NOT DESIRED THAT YOU COME INTO HIGHER KNOWLEDGE! They ask only for more intensive and deeper concentrative observation of VISIBLE EFFECTS rather than INVISIBLE CAUSE. In other words, their concept of higher knowledge means greater power for arriving at conclusions from sensed-observations through the processes of reasoning and deduction. There is not the slightest indication in any of the high institutions of learning of the need of the genius type of mind, even though the greatest mental and cultural progress of man is due to the genius type of inner-thinking, inner-visioning and imagining. The outersensory thinker of the mathematical and statistical research type of mind is the one who is favored and highly patronized. In him is the hope for better instruments and machines for human comfort, and better machines to kill man in greater numbers. This means that physical man, who constitutes your present civilization, recognizes only the supremacy of physical man and the power to reason and deduce in him rather than to create by inspired guidance as all geniuses do. Your civilization would progress materially very much faster and with the greater stability of moral character which accompanies spiritual growth if the paramount purpose of man were to help the omnipresent Mind to THINK and KNOW rather than the present purpose of helping the physical brain to remember and repeat.
If anything be placed before GOD--IT IS EVIL, good friend.
And WHO is THE MOST HIGH in nihilism? Come again? It is a MAN--GOD IS ONLY "OFFERED THROUGH THE RITUAL" AS "BEING FIRST" BUT "HE" IS NOT! Almost everything in the "churches" is FIRST before the ACTUALITY OF GOD PRESENCE.  LOOK AT YOUR WORLD AND CHECK IT OUT. ARE YOU INTO CHAOS AND TROUBLE OR ARE YOU IN THE MIDST OF HARMONY AND BALANCE IN GODLY TRUTH? Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work?
There is nothing before god, because there isn't one. Nihilism does not imply that man is the highest, man is just a finite creature, his concepts are much higher.
And might I ask from what source man's concepts come from? If it comes from the outersensory thinker of the mathematical and statistical research type of mind, then their present purpose IS of helping the physical brain to remember and repeat, rather than to help the omnipresent Mind to THINK and KNOW and to create by inspired guidance as all geniuses do. In other words, physical concepts are mundane, but higher knowledge is acquired from Cosmic thinking toward one's inner immortal MIND-SELF as opposed to the conclusions which is called knowledge which come from outer-sensing by the mortal BRAIN-SELF.
Quote from: Friedrich Nietzsche
But let me reveal my heart entirely unto you, my friends: if there were gods, how could I endure it not to be a god! Hence there are no Gods.
After the failure of Christianity (if there is such a failure), the final philosophy is Nietzsche.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/18055
Nietzsche does not seem to rejoice in the reality of atheism in any of his works. He doesn't seem to regret it either (as it just is). As to nihilism, he saw it as a crisis, a crisis that must be overcome.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/37246
Of course, Nietzsche was rooting for the whole pantheist/pagan Dyonisian mythology, nobody ever accused Nietzsche of being a rationalist, the closest we have come to nihilism was in the most theistic rationalists (Leibniz, Spinoza, Descartes), it comes quite unintentionally, as knowledge is the natural enemy of gods.
I agree that the human race is still in its infancy, especially with respect to knowledge; perhaps less than ten per cent of the so-called "enlightened" people of the earth are inwardly driven to seek and find that inner Cosmic something which their Souls desire.

None of these institutions for higher knowledge gives any indication that higher knowledge means searching for God as the Creator-CAUSE of the effects of motion of which they believe knowledge to consist.

Higher knowledge means trying to discover what the greatest Mind that ever lived meant by saying, "The kingdom of heaven is within" or "I and my Father are ONE", or "The Father dwelleth within Me," or "God is Light" and "God is Love" and all such other teachings of that great Mind. The fact that such teachings are not of first import in every cultural institution in the world is PROOF of the fact that your civilization is still too young to be ready for them. The great mass of the human race is still at such a low intellectual level that it even resents the idea of the divinity of man, even though the Christ taught it very plainly when He said, "I and My Father are ONE," "What I am you also are," and "What I do, you can also do." Moreover, the message has been repeated in every language from the onset of man.

The Sacred Circle of the Christ Being, the Pale Prophet, Immanuel, Buddha, Krishna and Mohammed--be them who they might be--all spoke this very clearly and told mankind, in their separate ages, exactly where to find God and His Heaven, but countless millions of men still retain the concept of heaven as being "up there above the earth somewhere" instead of being within Self. Many men still think of God as an objective Being "out there somewhere" who sits in judgment over His countless billions of people who come and go upon billions and trillions of earths like yours--or believe that you are the only "earth" like yours. Over nine-tenths of the people of today's world retain this inherited concept of long past ages of man's primacy.

As the spiritual in man unfolds so also will man's institutions of science, education and religion. These three greatest necessities of the human race will then unite and become ONE. While awaiting that day, science will gradually unfold its spiritual awareness of God's invisible universe of Light and know God as CAUSE of the effects of which it makes use. Education will make as its highest objective the study of MAN as it, too, unfolds instead of the material product of man's body, and religion will some day substitute its God of fear and wrath with the God of Love.

Human institutions progress slowly but they do progress and, like all humans, they progress more through their mistakes than through their traditions. Religion has made greater progress in the last century than in the previous five centuries. Hundreds of thousands have eliminated the God of wrath, fear and vengeance which plunged the Christian world into eight centuries of Dark Ages and have substituted the God of Love teachings.

A spiritually illumined civilization will place its highest standards in making MAN, THE UNKNOWN become MAN, THE KNOWN instead of its present standard in making man a better material-producing machine. It will then realize the warnings of the great poet who said, "In vain do we build the city if we do not first build the man."

A spiritually illumined science, which has grown to its present level through gaining knowledge from what it can see, feel and measure, will set its standards to KNOWING God's invisible universe which it can neither see, feel or measure. It will have then discovered the omniscience of Mind, the omnipotence of Mind-thinking and the omnipresence of Mind-product in action-reaction. When that day comes, science can then verify God, for humans will then revel in the ecstasy of KNOWING instead of having but emotion and abstraction as the basis for their devotions.

As it thus unfolds, it will gradually come to be realized that Science knows many things, but the least of these many things it knows is MAN. The SCIENCE OF MAN is the least known, and most important, of any and all sciences.

We began to give that higher knowledge of WHO and WHAT God is--and WHERE to find Him--and WHAT heaven is and WHERE to find that also--in the prior printings and we will continue to reveal God and His zero universe throughout the remaining writings--may the WORD be blessed.
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September 20, 2016, 05:13:41 PM
I agree that grounding ontology in the infinite implies that our reality including time must in some way be unsubstantial. This is hard to grasp from our frame of reference for we are fully immersed in our reality. However, this concept is not limited to theism. Several physicists have argued that reality is other then what it appears to be and that we may actually live in a Holographic Universe. This of course raises the question of who sustains the projection?
It hardly matter who is proposing the idea, or its specifics, if it is an ontology where infinity grounds finitude it is a theistic ontology. The fact that physicists and mathematicians are prone to this kind of theologies, while at the same time not knowing what they are doing, claiming to be athiests and claiming the uselessness of philosophy, just tells me that there is in fact something very common about our misapplication of the concept.

Godels incompleteness theorem tells us that for any overarching logical system no mater how complete there will exist unprovable assertions which if assumed true will require a priori knowledge (truths which are assumed but cannot be proven from within the system). With this in mind the logical course of action is to work to minimize our reliance on such assumptions while ensuring that our chosen system is not inconsistent for it is an elementary fact of logic that in an inconsistent formal system every statement is derivable, and consequently, such a system is trivially complete.
This is not what a priori means, it is a designation of non-empirical knowledge (regardless of its certitude). Gödel had shown the limitations of formal systems, and that they can either be consistent or closed, but knowledge is not itself a formal system. The problem of self-reference is in fact much older than Gödel's formalization and proof, it lies at the heart of transcendental philosophys as the self-referentiality of subjectivity and/or knowledge and is an essential problem for epistemology. If for formal systems, the problem of self-reference is proven by Gödel, its more epistemological implications are so far unknown, and so the essential problem (neither Russel nor Kripke, were successful, however the latter had progressed in the right direction).


I cannot evaluate your concept of nihilism without further detail specifically your first posit and what you derive from it. However, the typical concept of nihilism argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or value, and that morality does not inherently exist. It argues that established moral values are simply contrived abstractions. This definition appears inconsistent with your a priori assertion of the good as perfection.
The first thing to know is that there is nothing simple about abstractions.


Even your definition of good is not the infinite creator, but something else.
Right, the old problem of giving something a name; a philosopher will ask me what do I mean by REALITY: am I talking about the physical world of nature or am I talking about a spiritual world--or what? And to that I have a very simple answer: when we TALK about the material world, that is actually a philosophical concept, so in the same way, if I say that reality is spiritual, that is also a philosophical concept, and reality itself is NOT a concept--reality IS... and we won't give it a NAME!
Most civilized people are out of touch with REALITY because they confuse the world as it IS with the world as they think about it, talk about it, and describe it; on the one hand there is the real world, and on the other a whole System of Symbols about that world, which we have in our minds. These are very, very useful symbols, and all our civilization depends on them, but like ALL good things, they have their disadvantages, and the principle disadvantage of symbols is that we confuse them with REALITY, just as we confuse money with actual wealth, and our NAMES about ourselves, our IDEAS of ourselves, with our SELVES.
I agree, the confusion between concepts and reality is an essential problem, however the concept of reality (or Being, or Gods) is itself a confusion of a concept of infinity for something existing outside of a concept, this is my whole point.


If anything be placed before GOD--IT IS EVIL, good friend.
And WHO is THE MOST HIGH in nihilism? Come again? It is a MAN--GOD IS ONLY "OFFERED THROUGH THE RITUAL" AS "BEING FIRST" BUT "HE" IS NOT! Almost everything in the "churches" is FIRST before the ACTUALITY OF GOD PRESENCE.  LOOK AT YOUR WORLD AND CHECK IT OUT. ARE YOU INTO CHAOS AND TROUBLE OR ARE YOU IN THE MIDST OF HARMONY AND BALANCE IN GODLY TRUTH? Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work?
There is nothing before god, because there isn't one. Nihilism does not imply that man is the highest, man is just a finite creature, his concepts are much higher.


Quote from: Friedrich Nietzsche
But let me reveal my heart entirely unto you, my friends: if there were gods, how could I endure it not to be a god! Hence there are no Gods.
After the failure of Christianity (if there is such a failure), the final philosophy is Nietzsche.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/18055
Nietzsche does not seem to rejoice in the reality of atheism in any of his works. He doesn't seem to regret it either (as it just is). As to nihilism, he saw it as a crisis, a crisis that must be overcome.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/37246
Of course, Nietzsche was rooting for the whole pantheist/pagan Dyonisian mythology, nobody ever accused Nietzsche of being a rationalist, the closest we have come to nihilism was in the most theistic rationalists (Leibniz, Spinoza, Descartes), it comes quite unintentionally, as knowledge is the natural enemy of gods.


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I wanted to share with you my all time favorite book by an author you may have never heard of. As a fan of both Science Fiction and Fantasy I have read many many books everything from the classics of Tolkien and Asimov to modern and mostly inferior works. Having reached an age where the wonders of youthful imagination have slightly faded I did not expect to ever find a book that would displace the favorites of my youth. I was wrong. Other reviews have done this book far more justice then I can ever do so I will quote some of their words below.

https://www.amazon.com/Awake-Night-Land-John-Wright/dp/9527065224/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

   

Quote from: Nate and Julie
Moments ago I finished Awake in the Night Land by John C. Wright.

As I sit to give you my thoughts on it... the first thing that comes to mind is a question. How does one review... or critique... something like this? I am unfit.

One does not critique the great works of literature. One appreciates them. You define good and bad by them. Good and bad do not apply to them.

And so... it is with quivering hand that I must Awake in the Night Land in the most cherished of bookcases... where it will stand. Not with the merely great. Not with Zelazny or Heinlein. No. It rests with the masters that tower over the merely great. It shall stand with Tolstoy.... with Faulkner... Defoe... Melville.

A few men have great things to say. A few great men say things beautifully.

Cherish the tiny few who say a great thing in a beautiful way.

John C Wright is one such man. Awake in the Night Land is one of the finest books of any type in any genre I have ever read. It is Moby Dick. It is Paradise Lost. It is Crime and Punishment.

This is not hyperbole. Great books challenge you. They speak to the spark in your soul. One may improve himself... by merely reading them.

Go.

Go and read. Go and appreciate.

Quote from: Vox Day
I have written a number of books. Never once have I said to you, my readers, "you must read this book". That is because I have never written a book like this one. There are a very small number of books of which I would say "you must read this book": The Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien. The Glass Bead Game by Hermann Hesse. The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe by CS Lewis. The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper. Dandelion Wine by Ray Bradbury. Watership Down by Richard Adams.

There were also others that came close, books that I enjoyed very much indeed, but did not quite justify the assertion. Embassytown by China Mieville. Cryptonomicon and Anathem by Neal Stephenson. A Game of Thrones by George Martin. Night Watch by Terry Pratchett. Dune by Frank Herbert.

I will tell you now that if you appreciate excellent books, then you must read this one. I cannot imagine you will regret it.

Quote from: Sean Patterson
I read this book a month ago. My intent was to review it immediately but I found that I couldn't. I purchased it based on the reviews of other readers and, for all that it impressed me, I couldn't concur with them. I agreed with the components; darkness, heroism, fatalism, valour, pride, corruption in a landscape of inimical intent toward all that is human. But there was something that bothered me, something that was missing in the descriptions.

The four tales develop the theme through the lives of four people who confront this horror, each in their own way, for their own motivations, and with different ends. The stories cover aeons of time, linked by the refusal of the protagonists to submit to the certainty of failure forseen by their situation and prophets.

Finally, it struck me. I had been fooled. Completely. In the heart of one of the darkest and most nihilistic narratives that I have ever read was a love story. A twisted ribbon of love between man and woman, brother and sister, father and son, generation by generation, through eternity.

Congratulations Mr.Wright, you made this hard old bastard weep.

AWAKE IN THE NIGHT LAND is an epic collection of four of John C. Wright's brilliant forays into the dark fantasy world of William Hope Hodgson's 1912 novel, The Night Land. Part novel, part anthology, the book consists of four related novellas, "Awake in the Night", "The Cry of the Night-Hound", "Silence of the Night", and "The Last of All Suns", which collectively tell the haunting tale of the Last Redoubt of Man and the end of the human race. Widely considered to be the finest tribute to Hodgson ever written, the first novella, "Awake in the Night", was previously published in 2004 in The Year's Best Science Fiction: Twenty-First Annual Collection. AWAKE IN THE NIGHT LAND marks the first time all four novellas have been gathered into a single volume. John C. Wright has been described by reviewers as one of the most important and audacious authors in science fiction today. In a recent poll of more than 1,000 science fiction readers, he was chosen as the sixth-greatest living science fiction writer.
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September 01, 2016, 09:44:11 PM
Even your definition of good is not the infinite creator, but something else.
Right, the old problem of giving something a name; a philosopher will ask me what do I mean by REALITY: am I talking about the physical world of nature or am I talking about a spiritual world--or what? And to that I have a very simple answer: when we TALK about the material world, that is actually a philosophical concept, so in the same way, if I say that reality is spiritual, that is also a philosophical concept, and reality itself is NOT a concept--reality IS... and we won't give it a NAME!
Most civilized people are out of touch with REALITY because they confuse the world as it IS with the world as they think about it, talk about it, and describe it; on the one hand there is the real world, and on the other a whole System of Symbols about that world, which we have in our minds. These are very, very useful symbols, and all our civilization depends on them, but like ALL good things, they have their disadvantages, and the principle disadvantage of symbols is that we confuse them with REALITY, just as we confuse money with actual wealth, and our NAMES about ourselves, our IDEAS of ourselves, with our SELVES.
if you only have ethics based on virtues it is completely contextual and is therefore merely a thing of common-sense morals not pure ethics. In a land of cowards, cowardice is a virtue, etc.
If anything be placed before GOD--IT IS EVIL, good friend.
And WHO is THE MOST HIGH in nihilism? Come again? It is a MAN--GOD IS ONLY "OFFERED THROUGH THE RITUAL" AS "BEING FIRST" BUT "HE" IS NOT! Almost everything in the "churches" is FIRST before the ACTUALITY OF GOD PRESENCE.  LOOK AT YOUR WORLD AND CHECK IT OUT. ARE YOU INTO CHAOS AND TROUBLE OR ARE YOU IN THE MIDST OF HARMONY AND BALANCE IN GODLY TRUTH? Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work?



Quote from: Friedrich Nietzsche
But let me reveal my heart entirely unto you, my friends: if there were gods, how could I endure it not to be a god! Hence there are no Gods.
After the failure of Christianity (if there is such a failure), the final philosophy is Nietzsche.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/18055
Nietzsche does not seem to rejoice in the reality of atheism in any of his works. He doesn't seem to regret it either (as it just is). As to nihilism, he saw it as a crisis, a crisis that must be overcome.
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/37246
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