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August 14, 2016, 08:47:56 AM
Now I know the reason why some people with high IQs become atheist.  Scientist who were really intelligent do not believe the existence of our Almighty God, Einstein is exception.  They became rebellious sometimes, high egos with super high confidence that they do not believe that their someone who is behind all the  things we have on Earth.  And because of thinking their superiority, they do almost what they want.  They abused their health compared to people who believes to the existence of God.  These people values their lives as they know that our body is the temple of Christ.  Thus, people who believes God values their life.  They are mostly the contented person and they are mostly the happy beings.



Many of these unbelieving scientists think that the universe was created by the Big Bang something like 13 billion years ago.

IQ is something that a person can focus anywhere. These stupid scientists focus their great IQ on trying to prove something that is not provable. Not only that, BB is so ridiculous that it has become a religion to the believers in it.

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August 14, 2016, 02:41:33 AM
Now I know the reason why some people with high IQs become atheist.  Scientist who were really intelligent do not believe the existence of our Almighty God, Einstein is exception.  They became rebellious sometimes, high egos with super high confidence that they do not believe that their someone who is behind all the  things we have on Earth.  And because of thinking their superiority, they do almost what they want.  They abused their health compared to people who believes to the existence of God.  These people values their lives as they know that our body is the temple of Christ.  Thus, people who believes God values their life.  They are mostly the contented person and they are mostly the happy beings.


yeah the most highly educated scientists who have excelled in their fields, do not believe in god rather they believed that they were the creators. "There is one God, the Almighty God and he is the creator of everything", those people who believes this strongly were really happy beings.
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August 13, 2016, 08:09:20 PM
Scientist who were really intelligent do not believe the existence of our Almighty God, Einstein is exception.
Wow!
You are totally wrong! I am sure that the facts will come as a big surprise to you; please let us hear your arguments for why THESE researchers are ALL exceptions; maybe they were all stupid  Huh...

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers
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August 12, 2016, 01:18:15 AM
Now I know the reason why some people with high IQs become atheist.  Scientist who were really intelligent do not believe the existence of our Almighty God, Einstein is exception.  They became rebellious sometimes, high egos with super high confidence that they do not believe that their someone who is behind all the  things we have on Earth.  And because of thinking their superiority, they do almost what they want.  They abused their health compared to people who believes to the existence of God.  These people values their lives as they know that our body is the temple of Christ.  Thus, people who believes God values their life.  They are mostly the contented person and they are mostly the happy beings.

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August 12, 2016, 12:53:16 AM
there is no intrinsic value, and therefore valuing is required as a finite process among other, succeptible to context and change, and because of that capable of progressing.

So you conclude "there may be value depending on the context"; if this is so, then only one who has educated oneself about the entire diversity of contexts and the whole of history can say that he has the correct "finite process" for valuation. So this path to knowledge obviously involves learning about the other worlds and those rational beings of a different and higher kind. You also would eventually have to realize that the world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived, and that there are contexts presently unknown to you. This very line of reasoning denies humanism, and it is a problem for the nihilist because according to secular scholars, "all rational atheists are humanists" (unless you are some oddball French philosopher from the 20th century). The nihilist needs a wide diversity of contexts in order to have a complete glimpse into the valuation problem, therefore any educated discussion of these contexts will turn to the subject of extraterrestrials, etheric beings, and the like.

I think that your version of nihilism is nothing new;
To take values as fixed, therefore only blocks the potential progress of values and robs them of their rational basis, that they always possess in some form. It doesn't even mean there isn't an objective basis of values, just that they aren't inherent to mere objectivity itself. As an analogy, we can take mathematics, that has an objective basis, yet isn't inherent in things themselves, but has to be created in order to describe them.
It is good that you bring up the rational basis of values in the context of objectivity; one philosopher has said:

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Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think—not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment—on the unstated premise that a thing will not exist if only you refuse to identify it, that A will not be A so long as you do not pronounce the verdict “It is.” Non-thinking is an act of annihilation, a wish to negate existence, an attempt to wipe out reality. But existence exists; reality is not to be wiped out, it will merely wipe out the wiper. By refusing to say “It is,” you are refusing to say “I am.” By suspending your judgment, you are negating your person. When a man declares: “Who am I to know?” he is declaring: “Who am I to live?”

Since values have a rational basis, it is sensible to ground our highest virtue in thinking, and the highest evil would be to refuse to know about other contexts of knowledge and values; therefore, only a sufficiently diverse education can allow the potential for the progress of values.
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August 11, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
For philosophy, nihilism is foremost the metaphysical nihilism, that is a nihilism in ontology and epistemology (there is no eternal ontological ground, in theistic terms, world doesn't have a creator, in any sense, and therefore has no unity as the world, this lack of unity, this unity is the concept of the world, therefore onlogical nihilism can claim that there is no world, just things).

I fail to see how metaphysical nihilism does not lead inevitably to moral nihilism. On what grounds do you establish morality. You can make rules codified into law reflecting the preferences of the majority but how can anything ever be right or wrong. At best you have the preferences of a majority or realistically the preferences of the ruling elite subject to change and personal expediency. What is the inherent significance of these rules? Nothing just transient strictures that carry a degree of risk if broken. If there is no world just things what does that say about humanity itself? Well we must simply be one more group of things with no real necessary value. If you can reach any other conclusion starting from metaphysical nihilism I am curious as to how.  

This should not be confused with the simplistic claims that there is nothing, and we can't know anything as theists interpret it, but as its own metaphysical ground capable of producing rational ontology, epistemology and morals without succumbing to spiritualism. On this basis what we can say is that there is no intrinsic value, and therefore valuing is required as a finite process among other, susceptible to context and change, and because of that capable of progressing. To take values as fixed, therefore only blocks the potential progress of values and robs them of their rational basis.

Have you considered the possibility that the the end point of such a search the optimal rational ontology and morals may be ethical monotheism and if so the potential consequences of rejecting the optimum while searching for it. Ethical monotheism does not require a belief in spiritualism.

If people are not pushed a little into looking at the reality of God, they forget that they believe in God naturally, in the depths of their heart. Forget God, and you gradually forget life.

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I don't agree with BADecker all the time especially with his literalism but in this instance he presents a very deep argument. In this thread I have cited multiple studies of fertility. These studies tell us that those who have rejected religion have a fertility rate below 2.1 the minimum needed for replacement of the population. Individuals who reject religion also report lower levels of health and wellbeing compared to the highly religious. Finally there is not a single current or historic non-religious group that has maintained reproductive replacement levels on the communal level.

There is a certain ironic elegance to a universe in which continued and sustained existence comes only to those who honor and respect its creator not via divine intervention but through inevitable cause and effect. Do we live in such a universe? It is entirely possible that we do.
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August 11, 2016, 02:26:53 AM
http://www.arasite.org/WL3/nietnihil.html#_ftn1
Quote from: Dr. W Large
It (nihilism) is the continued destruction of all meaning and signification. It is the belief that nothing really matters any more, because nothing really has any meaning. We have no system of beliefs or values which could orientate us. The old systems of belief, like religion and morality, still exist, but at best we only follow them half-heartedly, and at worst, think that they have no meaning whatsoever.  They exist only the edges of our lives and consciousnesses. But it isn’t just the world that doesn’t have any meaning anymore. We ourselves don’t have any meaning to ourselves. Why should we choice one course of action over the other? What does it really matter anymore, since no-one’s individual life really has any significance in the grand scheme of things...

Nothing is worth much anymore, everything comes down to the same thing, everything is equalized. Everything is the same and equivalent: the true and the false, the good and the bad. Everything is outdated, used up, old dilapidated, dying: an undefined agony of meaning, an unending twilight: not a definite annihilation of significations, but their indefinite collapse.

By rejecting intrinsic value, one is not abandoning the quest for value but certifying the absence of value. Faith demands we not accept the world as it is. Faith provides an ideal and asks us for ethical perfection. It is a goal we fall far short of a world to strive for. Nihilism provides none of these things for at its heart it is a philosophy of emptiness.
The quote is about moral nihilism, that has become the popular image of nihilism through movies and other pop-culture, but there is an important distinction between it and what I was refering to. For philosophy, nihilism is foremost the metaphysical nihilism, that is a nihilism in ontology and epistemology (there is no eternal ontological ground, in theistic terms, world doesn't have a creator, in any sense, and therefore has no unity as the world, this lack of unity, this unity is the concept of the world, therefore onlogical nihilism can claim that there is no world, just things). Again, this should not be cofused with the simplistic claims that there is nothing, and we can't know anything as theists intepret it, but as its own metaphysical ground capable of producing rational ontology, epistemology and morals without succumbing to spiritualism. On this basis what we can say is that there is no intrinsic value, and therefore valuing is required as a finite process among other, succeptible to context and change, and because of that capable of progressing. To take values as fixed, therefore only blocks the potential progress of values and robs them of their rational basis, that they always possess in some form. It doesn't even mean there isn't an objective basis of values, just that they aren't inherent to mere objectivity itself. As an analogy, we can take mathematics, that has an objective basis, yet isn't inherent in things themselves, but has to be created in order to describe them.
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August 10, 2016, 06:44:34 PM
At its most pure and fundamental level knowledge is faith and faith is knowledge.
This is the essential difference between theism/spiritualism and nihilism, it is the question of epistemology, of what is knowledge. I know that this equation of knowledge with faith is false or at least self-defeating. I agree, atheism is false, but that it is false exactly to the extent that its still not absolute nihilism. It is because people still think of the world in an essentially spiritualistic way, that they fear nihilism and it is because they are still spiritualists, that they have something to fear from nihilism. But to know there is no intrinsic value is the knowledge required to know what value in general is, how to create it and improve it. By having faith in intrinsic value, one is abandoning the quest for knowledge of value, and thus any chance of progress. It is accepting the world as it is, barbaric and unjust. Spiritualists believe in writings on the wall only because they still live behind one.

As a nihilist I think higher of people that, like CoinCube, know the reasons for their belief, no matter how false, than of those that believe blindly and quote inspirational posters as the basis of their belief.

It is a bit late to respond this post but later is better than never.

There are various shades of nihilism but essentially nihilism holds that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value, that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Human or even the entire human species is essentially insignificant, without purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence. What is the antithesis of nihilism? I would argue that it is faith.

Faith holds that life has inherent meaning. It proclaims that there is an objective status for ethical ideals grounded in the very bedrock of creation. It teaches that man is created "in the image of God," and therefore has inherent dignity and immense value. It offers mankind a purpose in this universe.

I respect nihilists as they are almost always members of the intellectual elite. However, I believe the philosophy itself is inherently dangerous and self-destructive.  

http://www.arasite.org/WL3/nietnihil.html#_ftn1
Quote from: Dr. W Large
It (nihilism) is the continued destruction of all meaning and signification. It is the belief that nothing really matters any more, because nothing really has any meaning. We have no system of beliefs or values which could orientate us. The old systems of belief, like religion and morality, still exist, but at best we only follow them half-heartedly, and at worst, think that they have no meaning whatsoever.  They exist only the edges of our lives and consciousnesses. But it isn’t just the world that doesn’t have any meaning anymore. We ourselves don’t have any meaning to ourselves. Why should we choice one course of action over the other? What does it really matter anymore, since no-one’s individual life really has any significance in the grand scheme of things...

Nothing is worth much anymore, everything comes down to the same thing, everything is equalized. Everything is the same and equivalent: the true and the false, the good and the bad. Everything is outdated, used up, old dilapidated, dying: an undefined agony of meaning, an unending twilight: not a definite annihilation of significations, but their indefinite collapse.

By rejecting intrinsic value, one is not abandoning the quest for value but certifying the absence of value. Faith demands we not accept the world as it is. Faith provides an ideal and asks us for ethical perfection. It is a goal we fall far short of a world to strive for. Nihilism provides none of these things for at its heart it is a philosophy of emptiness.
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June 27, 2016, 02:57:33 AM
Nice article.  I did not know that being religious is linked to being a healthy person.  Well maybe because, those who believe in God knew that their body is God's temple.  Mostly religious people are those who were not into drinking, partying, and smoking.  They are happy people even if they are not into this kind of social perceptions. 

And yes, maybe there are atheist because they are those people who are so intelligent that they refuse to accept that God do exist.  They think they knew everything and questions those who believe to the existence of Supreme being as they say there are no proof to this claim. 
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June 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
Religion is useful. It kills enormous numbers of healthy people. Without religion the world would be even more over-populated. Smiley

Actually, it's the opposite. People talk religion, act religion in times of peace, and then forget religious principles when a bunch of sneaky irreligious leaders talk them into war.

This excludes Muslims, of course, whose religion is formally at war with everybody, even themselves.

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Religion is useful. It kills enormous numbers of healthy people. Without religion the world would be even more over-populated. Smiley
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June 26, 2016, 03:08:37 PM
Religion is possibly the best thing that has happened to the world, it what kept us being stable and I doubt we would be in the place we are now if it wasn't up to religion. It still has it's place as of now, though it'd be better if it wasn't THAT much radical.

It is actually what has made us revolutionize in the first place. If it wasn't for Martin Luther writing the 95 theses, we'd still be in medieval ages. It's what made churches fall and let people like Da Vinci/Michelangelo shine.
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June 26, 2016, 06:31:10 AM
i don't thin that there is any direct relation between religion and health. these all are false statement and just the dramas against the religions. i will lke to say that we should not bring the health and religion in contrast to each other. we should respect all the religions of of the world. and should not spread false news about religions.
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June 11, 2016, 12:13:49 AM
Some music from the faiths highlighted in this post.

Shalom Aleichem (Peace Be Upon You in Hebrew) - Susana Allen & Hector David
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xAgLtjMrW4

Baba Yetu (The Lord's Prayer in Swahili) - Alex Boyé, BYU Men's Chorus & Philharmonic; Christopher Tin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsINANZ6Riw

Lyrics:
Shalom Aleichem:
Shalom alechem malache ha-sharet malache elyon,
mi-melech malche ha-melachim Ha-Kadosh Baruch Hu.
Bo'achem le-shalom malache ha-shalom malache elyon,
mi-melech malche ha-melachim Ha-Kadosh Baruch Hu.
Barchuni le-shalom malache ha-shalom malache elyon,
mi-melech malche ha-melachim Ha-Kadosh Baruch Hu.
Tzet'chem le-shalom malache ha-shalom malache elyon,
mi-melech malche ha-melachim Ha-Kadosh Baruch Hu.

The words to the song translate as follows:
Peace upon you, ministering angels, messengers of the Most High,
of the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.
Come in peace, messengers of peace, messengers of the Most High,
of the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.
Bless me with peace, messengers of peace, messengers of the Most High,
of the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.
May your departure be in peace, messengers of peace, messengers of the Most High,
of the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He

Baba Yetu:
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu amina!
Baba yetu yetu uliye
M jina lako e litukuzwe.

Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji, utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey!
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe, na yule, muovu e milele!

Ufalme wako ufike utakalo
Lifanyike duniani kama mbinguni.
(Amina)

The words to the song translate as follows:
Our Father, who art
in Heaven. Amen!
Our Father,
Hallowed be thy name.

Give us this day our daily bread,
Forgive us of
our trespasses,
As we forgive others
Who trespass against us
Lead us not into temptation, but
deliver us from the evil one forever.

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
On Earth as it is in Heaven.
(Amen)
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June 10, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
Baby Bust: US Fertility Rate Unexpectedly Drops To Lowest On Record
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-10/baby-bust-us-fertility-rate-unexpectedly-drops-lowest-record?page=1

Quote from: zerohedge
The newest official tally  from the National Center for Health Statistics showed an unexpected drop in the number of babies born in the U.S. in 2015. The report was a surprise: Demographers had generally expected the number of births to rise in 2015, as it had in 2014. Instead, the U.S. appears to still be stuck in something of an ongoing “baby bust”






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June 09, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
Washington State Schools Push ‘Gender Fluid,’ Transgender Ideas on K-12 Kids
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/09/washington-state-schools-tout-k-12-gender-fluid-education-standards/

Quote from: Breitbart
The standards assume that a significant number of boys will see themselves as girls, and a significant number of girls will see themselves as boys, regardless of biology. The standards also embrace the political claim that the government, local community and people should fully accept children’s declarations that their biology and feelings of gender are disconnected, and also endorse each child’s personal sense of “gender identity.

Learning standards for the other grade levels with regard to the “core idea” topic of “self-identity” are:

Grade 1: “Explain that there are many ways to express gender.”

Grade 2: “Understand there is a range of gender roles and expression; Understand importance of treating others with respect regarding gender expression.

Grade 3: “Explain that gender roles can vary considerably; Understand importance of treating others with respect regarding gender identity.”

Grade 4: “Identify how friends and family can influence ideas regarding gender roles, identity, and expression; Demonstrate ways to show respect for all people; Define sexual orientation.

Grade 5: “Describe how media, society, and culture can influence ideas regarding gender roles, identity, and expression; Promote ways to show respect for all people; Identify trusted adults to ask questions about gender identity and sexual orientation.”

Grade 6: “Understand the range of gender roles, identity, and expression across cultures.”

Grade 7: “Distinguish between biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.”



In response, more than 60 leaders concerned about the mental health of American children signed an open letter that says the Obama administration’s K-12 gender fluid policies are “putting the nation’s children at risk.”

Among the letter’s signers are Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians, and Lisa Bell, founder of Youth Trans Critical Professionals.

The pediatricians assert that standards or policies that promote gender fluidity amount to “child abuse”:

"A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V)…

According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty. Conditioning children into believing that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.”


As the parent of young children who attend Washington State schools it is time to start researching private school options Undecided


Glad you are waking up. Look, also, for a State that will allow a minimum of interference from government.

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June 09, 2016, 05:42:36 PM
Washington State Schools Push ‘Gender Fluid,’ Transgender Ideas on K-12 Kids
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/09/washington-state-schools-tout-k-12-gender-fluid-education-standards/

Quote from: Breitbart
The standards assume that a significant number of boys will see themselves as girls, and a significant number of girls will see themselves as boys, regardless of biology. The standards also embrace the political claim that the government, local community and people should fully accept children’s declarations that their biology and feelings of gender are disconnected, and also endorse each child’s personal sense of “gender identity.

Learning standards for the other grade levels with regard to the “core idea” topic of “self-identity” are:

Grade 1: “Explain that there are many ways to express gender.”

Grade 2: “Understand there is a range of gender roles and expression; Understand importance of treating others with respect regarding gender expression.

Grade 3: “Explain that gender roles can vary considerably; Understand importance of treating others with respect regarding gender identity.”

Grade 4: “Identify how friends and family can influence ideas regarding gender roles, identity, and expression; Demonstrate ways to show respect for all people; Define sexual orientation.

Grade 5: “Describe how media, society, and culture can influence ideas regarding gender roles, identity, and expression; Promote ways to show respect for all people; Identify trusted adults to ask questions about gender identity and sexual orientation.”

Grade 6: “Understand the range of gender roles, identity, and expression across cultures.”

Grade 7: “Distinguish between biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.”



In response, more than 60 leaders concerned about the mental health of American children signed an open letter that says the Obama administration’s K-12 gender fluid policies are “putting the nation’s children at risk.”

Among the letter’s signers are Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians, and Lisa Bell, founder of Youth Trans Critical Professionals.

The pediatricians assert that standards or policies that promote gender fluidity amount to “child abuse”:

"A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V)…

According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty. Conditioning children into believing that a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.”


As the parent of young children who attend Washington State schools it is time to start researching private school options Undecided
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May 18, 2016, 02:47:16 PM
Maybe I'll read this later. But it starts out with irrelevance. There wasn't any evolution. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-mathematical-impossibility-of-evolution-1454732.

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An interesting post but it is more of an argument against the traditional mechanism of Darwinian evolution where evolution is felt to be driven by random mutation combined with natural selection then an argument that there is no evolution.

Right in the first line you quoted it says:
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Apostolou establishes that parental choice is primary in human evolutionary history: ...
Note that it says, "human evolutionary history." It doesn't specify the history of human family tradition.

Then later it refers to evolutionary history again:
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Therefore human evolutionary history has left modern individuals, in a world where parental choice and control has been all-but eliminated from mainstream life, woefully ill-equipped to manage their sexual lives.
Is this really talking about human traditions when it says "evolutionary history?"

Personally, I understand to mean that family traditions are controlled by the process of evolution, which has to do with random selection, which is mathematically impossible in the extreme by any known process.

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Garbage in garbage out.
Henry M. Morris have degrees in civil engeneering and not evolution or mathematics.
It's obvious to anyone that know alittle about the evolution theory that he don't have a clue what he talks about

Perhaps about Morris.

But you don't know how to do the math or you would see that Morris is right in this area.

Morris went easy on the evolutionists in two ways. First, he assumed a evolutionary stance of every other mutation being a beneficial mutation... something that would never happen in nature even once. Second, he didn't take into account all of nature that would have destroyed any mutation, good or bad, had a mutation even happened.

The point is that evolution is not only impossible, but it is so extremely impossible that any scientist that looks into evolution should be embarrassed beyond blushing that he is considered part of the scientific community.

Since impossible evolution is believed among so many, it is a religion, hands down.

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So explain what good and bad mutation have to do with evolution. As I have said earlier. Read a few books about what the evolution theory is.
It's changes over time. Not "mutations" Are you a perfect copy of your father or have some things changed?
If you are not a perfect copy and some mutations have happened. Does that mean that you most likely will die soon since most mutations according to the article is bad?


The closest you come to being right in your statements is, "It's changes over time." But the real changes are the way the term/word "evolution" has changed in meaning over time.

In the past, evolution that took inanimate substances and turned them into, say, a human being, was thought to have been done by mutation. Then when science looked at the probability math, they realized that they had foolishly made themselves into a laughingstock, so they changed the meaning of the word "evolution."

Trouble is, whatever the changes are that supposedly take inanimate substances and turn them into plants, animals and people, is just as full of mathematically impossible probability as the mutation idea was. It simply isn't being done at all in nature that anyone has been able to document anywhere in any way. Any supposed documentation of such in nature, can be attributed to factors other than evolution as well.

In addition, cause and effect as supported by Newton's 3rd Law is evident all over the place. Every aspect of life and natural mechanics is ruled by cause and effect. We live and do everything that we do by automatic cause and effect activity and responses. This means that even if there was some change that "evolved" inanimate substances into plants, animals, and people, it was done by cause and effect. This means that there was a "Causer" that started the whole thing going in the beginning.

Just because scientists don't like the idea of God, doesn't mean He isn't staring them right in the face in all their scientific activities, even though they don't want to see Him.

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May 18, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
Maybe I'll read this later. But it starts out with irrelevance. There wasn't any evolution. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-mathematical-impossibility-of-evolution-1454732.

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An interesting post but it is more of an argument against the traditional mechanism of Darwinian evolution where evolution is felt to be driven by random mutation combined with natural selection then an argument that there is no evolution.

Right in the first line you quoted it says:
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Apostolou establishes that parental choice is primary in human evolutionary history: ...
Note that it says, "human evolutionary history." It doesn't specify the history of human family tradition.

Then later it refers to evolutionary history again:
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Therefore human evolutionary history has left modern individuals, in a world where parental choice and control has been all-but eliminated from mainstream life, woefully ill-equipped to manage their sexual lives.
Is this really talking about human traditions when it says "evolutionary history?"

Personally, I understand to mean that family traditions are controlled by the process of evolution, which has to do with random selection, which is mathematically impossible in the extreme by any known process.

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Garbage in garbage out.
Henry M. Morris have degrees in civil engeneering and not evolution or mathematics.
It's obvious to anyone that know alittle about the evolution theory that he don't have a clue what he talks about

Perhaps about Morris.

But you don't know how to do the math or you would see that Morris is right in this area.

Morris went easy on the evolutionists in two ways. First, he assumed a evolutionary stance of every other mutation being a beneficial mutation... something that would never happen in nature even once. Second, he didn't take into account all of nature that would have destroyed any mutation, good or bad, had a mutation even happened.

The point is that evolution is not only impossible, but it is so extremely impossible that any scientist that looks into evolution should be embarrassed beyond blushing that he is considered part of the scientific community.

Since impossible evolution is believed among so many, it is a religion, hands down.

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So explain what good and bad mutation have to do with evolution. As I have said earlier. Read a few books about what the evolution theory is.
It's changes over time. Not "mutations" Are you a perfect copy of your father or have some things changed?
If you are not a perfect copy and some mutations have happened. Does that mean that you most likely will die soon since most mutations according to the article is bad?
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May 12, 2016, 05:13:16 PM
Right in the first line you quoted it says:
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Apostolou establishes that parental choice is primary in human evolutionary history: ...
Note that it says, "human evolutionary history." It doesn't specify the history of human family tradition.

Then later it refers to evolutionary history again:
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Therefore human evolutionary history has left modern individuals, in a world where parental choice and control has been all-but eliminated from mainstream life, woefully ill-equipped to manage their sexual lives.
Is this really talking about human traditions when it says "evolutionary history?"

Personally, I understand to mean that family traditions are controlled by the process of evolution, which has to do with random selection, which is mathematically impossible in the extreme by any known process.

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There are two aspects of Darwinian evolutionary theory:

Natural Selection: The process in which organisms maladapted to their environment tend to be eliminated.
Random Mutation: The hypothesized process in which new variation is introduced into the population.

There has been documented cases of natural selection over time. It is the data backing random mutations as the primary mechanism of introducing new variation into the population that is much weaker. I have not spent a tremendous amount of time studying evolutionary biology but Bruce Charlton has. These are his thoughts on the matter.

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2016/03/reconceptualizing-metaphysical-basis-of.html

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Strikingly, there has been no success in the attempts over sixty-plus years to create life in the laboratory under plausible ancestral earth conditions – not even the complex bio-molecules such as proteins and nucleic acids. It has, indeed, been well-argued that this is impossible; and that ‘living life’ must therefore have evolved from an intermediate stage (or stages) of non-living but evolvable molecules such as crystals – perhaps clays (Cairns-Smith, 1987). But nobody has succeeded in doing that in the lab either, despite that artificial selection can be orders of magnitude faster than natural selection.

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Certainly natural selection can coherently describe the historical situations leading to relatively small differences between organisms – perhaps up to the level of creating new and related species. This was already known to Darwin and was indeed the basis of his evidential argument – e.g. he described the nature and scale of effects of artificial selection done by animal breeders, plus some effects on the shape and size of beaks among Galapagos finches. To this, modern biologists could add observations on the modification of microorganisms under laboratory conditions, for instance the evolution of bacterial resistance to antibiotics. And there are also human racial differences of skeleton, teeth, skin and hair, brains and behaviours and many others – probably amounting to sub-species levels of differentiation – again these were (approximately) noted by Darwin (for instance in the mention of ‘favoured races’ in the subtitle of his 1859 book).

But all these are quantitative, not qualitative, changes; changes in magnitude but not in form. Neither natural selection, nor indeed artificial selection done by Man, has been observed creating a new genus, nor any taxonomic rank more fundamental such as a new family or phylum. There is no observational or experimental evidence which has emerged since 1859 of natural selection leading to major, qualitative changes in form – nor the originating of a novel form. Nobody has, by selection, changed a cat into a dog, let alone a sea anemone into a mouse (or the opposite); nobody has bred a dinosaur from a bird, nor retraced, by selective breeding, a modern species to its assumed ancestral form. There have, at most, been attempts to explain why such things are impossible in practice – why, for instance, the linear sequence of evolution cannot be ‘rewound’.


The scientific law of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd law shows that there is no random in the pure sense. All the suggestions and theories that there is pure random do not stand up against the proven facts.

Natural selection is either based on pure random, or it is just a wonderful piece of guesswork. It does not come close to standing against the facts of cause and effect or probability.

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