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legendary
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July 28, 2019, 04:45:09 PM

Children born with birth defects or HIV did not have much choice, didn't they?  What sin did the newborns commit?

You make as much sense as a hippopotamus explaining Shakespeare.


Newborns clearly have not sinned. They may suffer however do to the choices made outside of their control. Children born with HIV are suffering because of the choices of the elder generation usually their father or mother. Human choices do harm the innocent.

Children with cancer are dying because a part of them has broken away and defected. It no longer acts in its assigned role for the greater good but instead strengths itself over the short run via unrestrained growth. Left unchecked that growth will eventually disrupt the delicate balance necessary for life and will end in death.

If you follow that regression of fault, you will end up at God, he who is responsible for everything.

According to your twisted logic, parents suffer having a baby with birth defects, not only by the choices they make or don't make, but by the choices of their parents (as did the baby), and so on, all the way to God.

All your "blame the victim's parents" logic leads you to your main character.

Remind me who created and then punished Adam and Eve?

If you follow that regression of thought, you will end up with people, who are attempting to thwart the good God does, by not accepting Him.

So you see, it is the ungodly who are using their freedom to cause all the pain and trouble in the world, because the greatest evil is to be against God, if only by not acknowledging Him.

Cool
hero member
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July 28, 2019, 04:29:09 PM
If you follow that regression of fault, you will end up at God, he who is responsible for everything.

According to your twisted logic, parents suffer having a baby with birth defects, not only by the choices they make or don't make, but by the choices of their parents (as did the baby), and so on, all the way to God.

All your "blame the victim's parents" logic leads you to your main character.

Remind me who created and then punished Adam and Eve?

Birth defects are caused by many things they can be a result of genetics, lifestyle choices and behaviors, exposure to certain medications and chemicals, infections during pregnancy, a combination of these factors, ect.

Many of these drug use, alcohol consumption, smoking during pregnancy, inadequate prenatal care,
untreated bacterial infections can be traced to deliberate human action or inaction. Others like family history of birth defects or other genetic disorders are currently outside the realm of human choice. These are hopefully problems of ignorance and will be resolvable in the near future with our increasing knowledge.

You are correct that you can trace the ultimate cause of all events good and bad to God.  
So why did God create a universe where evil, horror, and suffering exist? The problem of evil is a deep question. Here is a short video on the subject I agree with.

Why Does God Allow Evil?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAexl_loCfg

Crap video. if god can prevent evil in heaven then why hasn't he done it already? Please, a 10 year old would understand how illogical it is.
legendary
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July 28, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
If you follow that regression of fault, you will end up at God, he who is responsible for everything.

According to your twisted logic, parents suffer having a baby with birth defects, not only by the choices they make or don't make, but by the choices of their parents (as did the baby), and so on, all the way to God.

All your "blame the victim's parents" logic leads you to your main character.

Remind me who created and then punished Adam and Eve?

Birth defects are caused by many things they can be a result of genetics, lifestyle choices and behaviors, exposure to certain medications and chemicals, infections during pregnancy, a combination of these factors, ect.

Many of these drug use, alcohol consumption, smoking during pregnancy, inadequate prenatal care,
untreated bacterial infections can be traced to deliberate human action or inaction. Others like family history of birth defects or other genetic disorders are currently outside the realm of human choice. These are hopefully problems of ignorance and will be resolvable in the near future with our increasing knowledge.

You are correct that you can trace the ultimate cause of all events good and bad to God.  
So why did God create a universe where evil, horror, and suffering exist? The problem of evil is a deep question. Here is a short video on the subject I agree with.

Why Does God Allow Evil?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAexl_loCfg
legendary
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July 28, 2019, 02:24:30 PM

Children born with birth defects or HIV did not have much choice, didn't they?  What sin did the newborns commit?

You make as much sense as a hippopotamus explaining Shakespeare.


Newborns clearly have not sinned. They may suffer however do to the choices made outside of their control. Children born with HIV are suffering because of the choices of the elder generation usually their father or mother. Human choices do harm the innocent.

Children with cancer are dying because a part of them has broken away and defected. It no longer acts in its assigned role for the greater good but instead strengths itself over the short run via unrestrained growth. Left unchecked that growth will eventually disrupt the delicate balance necessary for life and will end in death.

If you follow that regression of fault, you will end up at God, he who is responsible for everything.

According to your twisted logic, parents suffer having a baby with birth defects, not only by the choices they make or don't make, but by the choices of their parents (as did the baby), and so on, all the way to God.

All your "blame the victim's parents" logic leads you to your main character.

Remind me who created and then punished Adam and Eve?
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July 28, 2019, 02:01:02 PM

Children born with birth defects or HIV did not have much choice, didn't they?  What sin did the newborns commit?

You make as much sense as a hippopotamus explaining Shakespeare.


Newborns clearly have not sinned. They may suffer however do to the choices made outside of their control. Children born with HIV are suffering because of the choices of the elder generation usually their father or mother. Human choices do harm the innocent.

Children with cancer are dying because a part of them has broken away and defected. It no longer acts in its assigned role for the greater good but instead strengths itself over the short run via unrestrained growth. Left unchecked that growth will eventually disrupt the delicate balance necessary for life and will end in death.

There is no reason why a loving god would allow that, there is no point for a baby to be alive for only a few days just to die, it's just suffering for no reason and god could prevent it without tampering with free will, he doesn't because he doesn't exist.

''It could only be averted by removing human free will and making us slaves'' Are you talking about going to heaven here? Because that's what has to happen if god wants to prevent evil there.
legendary
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July 28, 2019, 01:39:28 PM

Children born with birth defects or HIV did not have much choice, didn't they?  What sin did the newborns commit?

You make as much sense as a hippopotamus explaining Shakespeare.


Newborns clearly have not sinned. They may suffer however do to the choices made outside of their control. Children born with HIV are suffering because of the choices of the elder generation usually their father or mother. Human choices do harm the innocent.

Children with cancer are dying because a part of them has broken away and defected. It no longer acts in its assigned role for the greater good but instead strengths itself over the short run via unrestrained growth. Left unchecked that growth will eventually disrupt the delicate balance necessary for life and will end in death.
legendary
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July 28, 2019, 01:13:26 PM

''God’s anger is rationally retributive. His anger is His direct, calculated response to sin.''

Actually, his 'anger' is nothing but rational. Consider this example, you know everything, you can do anything. A rock falls on your friend and kills him, do you get mad? Of course not because you could have prevented it, you allowed it to happen and you already knew thousands of years ago that it would happen so there is simply no logical reason to get mad. I understand humans have free will, so what? God created them that way and knew what would happen so again, no reason to be mad.

Also big logical inconsistencies, god wanted us to have free will but he himself killed millions.

The overwhelming majority of human suffering is human caused either via direct malevolence or indirect negligence. It could only be averted by removing human free will and making us slaves or the long hard path of gradual planetwide moral perfection.

Your example of a rock falling on someone is an exception suffering caused by a combination of human ignorance of nature (lack of awareness that a rock will fall) and general human frailty. Both of these lessor causes of suffering are self limited. They are things that we will gradually and naturally outgrow with technological progress if we can get control of our self induced harm.

Now you could argue that a loving God would set up the universe in such a way that ignorance alone would not end us. He would step in and make sure that life was not over for us when we foolishly stepped under falling rocks or when our natural bodies give out on us because we lack the knowledge to keep them functional and regenerated past the age of 80.

The Christian worldview holds that this is exactly what he has done. You just need to apologize for foolishly walking under falling rocks on a regular basis genuinely try to stop doing that and ask him to save you and he will preserve you and elevate you to a state where that ignorance and frailty do not exist. He is not just the friend who pushes you out from under the falling rock so that you can die of old age in 20 years he is the friend who brings you back to life and in such a way that falling rocks and old age will never threaten you again.

The Christian view requires faith, however, not a faith in nothingness but a faith in God. Free will necessitates honoring the choices we make in this world. If we choose to define ourselves as our own gods as independent entities apart from detached and unbeholden to God I suspect that choice would have to be honored. To do anything else would be to trample on free will.


Children born with birth defects or HIV did not have much choice, didn't they?  What sin did the newborns commit?

You make as much sense as a hippopotamus explaining Shakespeare.
legendary
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July 28, 2019, 12:59:52 PM

''God’s anger is rationally retributive. His anger is His direct, calculated response to sin.''

Actually, his 'anger' is nothing but rational. Consider this example, you know everything, you can do anything. A rock falls on your friend and kills him, do you get mad? Of course not because you could have prevented it, you allowed it to happen and you already knew thousands of years ago that it would happen so there is simply no logical reason to get mad. I understand humans have free will, so what? God created them that way and knew what would happen so again, no reason to be mad.

Also big logical inconsistencies, god wanted us to have free will but he himself killed millions.

The overwhelming majority of human suffering is human caused either via direct malevolence or indirect negligence. It could only be averted by removing human free will and making us slaves or the long hard path of gradual planetwide moral perfection.

Your example of a rock falling on someone is an exception suffering caused by a combination of human ignorance of nature (lack of awareness that a rock will fall) and general human frailty. Both of these lessor causes of suffering are self limited. They are things that we will gradually and naturally outgrow with technological progress if we can get control of our self induced harm.

Now you could argue that a loving God would set up the universe in such a way that ignorance alone would not end us. He would step in and make sure that life was not over for us when we foolishly stepped under falling rocks or when our natural bodies give out on us because we lack the knowledge to keep them functional and regenerated past the age of 80.

The Christian worldview holds that this is exactly what he has done. You just need to apologize for foolishly walking under falling rocks on a regular basis genuinely try to stop doing that and ask him to save you and he will preserve you and elevate you to a state where that ignorance and frailty do not exist. He is not just the friend who pushes you out from under the falling rock so that you can die of old age in 20 years he is the friend who brings you back to life and in such a way that falling rocks and old age will never threaten you again.

The Christian view requires faith, however, not a faith in nothingness but a faith in God. Free will necessitates honoring the choices we make in this world. If we choose to define ourselves as our own gods as independent entities apart from detached and unbeholden to God I suspect that choice would have to be honored. To do anything else would be to trample on free will.
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July 28, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
It's fairly easy, if you think god is all powerful and knows everything, the bible can be logically disproved. An all powerful, all knowing god would not get mad and kill everyone because he 'failed', he can't fail, he can't be mad, he can't have our feelings.

God can’t fail we can. We can fail because we have been given freedom. Our choices are not compelled.

This article had a nice summary on this topic.

God’s Anger
by Caleb Colley Ph.D.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=12&article=1462

''God’s anger is rationally retributive. His anger is His direct, calculated response to sin.''

Actually, his 'anger' is nothing but rational. Consider this example, you know everything, you can do anything. A rock falls on your friend and kills him, do you get mad? Of course not because you could have prevented it, you allowed it to happen and you already knew thousands of years ago that it would happen so there is simply no logical reason to get mad. I understand humans have free will, so what? God created them that way and knew what would happen so again, no reason to be mad.

Also big logical inconsistencies, god wanted us to have free will but he himself killed millions.
legendary
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July 27, 2019, 11:03:13 PM
It's fairly easy, if you think god is all powerful and knows everything, the bible can be logically disproved. An all powerful, all knowing god would not get mad and kill everyone because he 'failed', he can't fail, he can't be mad, he can't have our feelings.

God can’t fail we can. We can fail because we have been given freedom. Our choices are not compelled.

This article had a nice summary on this topic.

God’s Anger
by Caleb Colley Ph.D.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=12&article=1462
legendary
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July 27, 2019, 05:12:47 PM

Good going, taking advise from a guy who thinks the evolution is a hoax and Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

You know that you just assigned an attribute (infinite) to something that you yourself said cannot be defined (God). I guess reason is not your friend.

Like I said, you make shit up as you go.  Making excuses for your delusion.

Let me use your logic to say, God is undefined and non-existent.  See, I just assigned a new property just as valid as any of yours, badecker’s or notbatman’s.

I just realized that I might be talking to a real schizophrenic.  So please excuse me, I have to leave this ward.

Again it would be helpful if you actually read what I wrote before replying. I did not hear about these ideas from BADecker but someone like him a resolute believer if you will. BADecker and I probably disagree about the age of the earth and some aspects of evolution. That is ok and the difference in interpretation is not worth debating at least not here where there are more important fundamental disputes under discussion.

I have highlighted how we can mathematically deduce The incompleteness of the universe and logically conclude that whatever is outside the universe must be boundless, immaterial, indivisible and an uncaused cause.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

Of the very limited logical options on what could exist outside of the universe I would argue the best logical solution is that of an infinite creator. The monotheistic conceptualization of God is consistent with what we can mathematically deduce.

Your are correct another faith can be chosen.  You can choose a faith in nothingness or non-existence. An infinity of nothingness is still nothing. Everyone is free to do as you have and choose emptiness and concurrently define yourself as your own god.

The universe is structured in such a way that you are not compelled in the choice. You are free.

You appear to suffer from a profound inability to understand any perspective other then your own. I assume that is why you insist on calling everyone who disagrees with you insane.
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July 27, 2019, 07:19:15 AM

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.


Please elaborate.

It's fairly easy, if you think god is all powerful and knows everything, the bible can be logically disproved. An all powerful, all knowing god would not get mad and kill everyone because he 'failed', he can't fail, he can't be mad, he can't have our feelings.
legendary
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July 27, 2019, 02:19:17 AM

Let me guess, God is not part of everything and you know this because someone like CoinCube told you. Lol.

You guys are comedians. You make shit up as you go.

The reverse is true actually. I learned about most of these concepts because someone like BADecker told me. I rejected them for a very long time until I could no longer deny their inherent rationality and truth.

I don't make anything up. I make rational arguments and highlight the assumptions I make in those arguments. I may occasionally speculate but when I do I clearly identify the idea as speculation and advise the reader to think about the topic and reach their own conclusion not simply rely on my musings.

The concept of an infinite God's necessary distance to allow a finite creation to exist is actually a very deep one. However, you won't appreciate it because you don't believe in God. To be honest its not a topic I fully grasp. However for those interested in the topic here is an interesting article on it. A brief excerpt below full article at link.

Tzimtzum: A Kabbalistic Theory of Creation by Dr. Sanford Drob
http://thejewishreview.org/articles/?id=121
Quote from: Sanford Drob
An article in a recent issue of U.S. News and World Report begins with what would seem at first to be a rather odd question for one of our nation's major news weeklies. How, the article asks, did the universe begin and it proceeds to provide the following by way of an answer:

"In the beginning, there was no time, no matter, not even space. Then in some unfathomable way, a universe emerged from a dimensionless point of pure energy (U.S. News and World Report, March 26, 1990)."

This, the article assures us, is as close to a description of 'the beginning' as science can currently provide, and it is to probe deeper into the questions of cosmic origins that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration plans, on April 12, 1990, to place the 1.5 billion dollar Hubble Space Telescope into earth orbit on the most sophisticated scientific satellite ever constructed.

As I pondered the news weekly's description of creation, I was struck by what appears to be at least a superficial similarity to the account of creation provided in the Kabbalah. Indeed, the description reads almost as if it were a translation from a passage in the opening pages of Chayim Vital's Sefer Etz Chayyim, the classic exposition of the Kabbalah of the Ari, Rabbi Isaac Luria. Rabbi Luria, starting from completely different assumptions and operating in a universe of discourse which is, to use an unusually precise metaphor, light years away from the Hubble telescope, arrived at the very same conclusion: that the universe emerged from a dimensionless point which gave rise to a world of matter, space, and time. Only, for the kabbalists, that dimensionless point is not so much an impenetrable beginning, but is rather the end result of a process occurring within God Himself. This process, known as tzimtzum (divine contraction or concealment) is, according to the Lurianic scheme, the very essence of creation; it is the means by which an infinite unified God "makes room," so to speak, for a finite, pluralistic world. Through an understanding of the doctrine of tzimtzum we may, without ever turning our gaze upon the astronomical heavens, gain some genuine insight into how a universe of matter, space and time could emerge from a single point in a metaphysical void.

The kabbalistic account of creation is, to the uninitiated, a very strange, difficult and perhaps even disturbing notion. However, it is a notion which gives expression to a series of paradoxical, but deeply profound ideas. Amongst them is the notion that the universe as we know it is the result of a cosmic negation. The world, according to Lurianic kabbalah, is not so much a something which has been created from nothing, but rather a genre of nothingness resulting from a contraction or concealment of the only true reality, which is God. A closely related notion is the idea that it is the very unfathomability and unknowability of God and His ways which is the sine qua non of creation itself. Creation, the doctrine of tzimtzum implies, is, in its very essence, "that which does not know."

One cannot be expected to understand or accept such notions without some significant and serious explanation. In this essay I offer a philosophical exposition, commentary, and in some respects, elaboration of the concept of tzimtzum as it appears in the kabbalistic system of Rabbi Isaac Luria (1534‑1572) and his disciples such as Rabbi Chayim Vital and later, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Lyadi. In addition, I offer an idealist and rationalist philosophical context in which these ideas can, I believe, be best understood.

Good going, taking advise from a guy who thinks the evolution is a hoax and Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

You know that you just assigned an attribute (infinite) to something that you yourself said cannot be defined (God). I guess reason is not your friend.

Like I said, you make shit up as you go.  Making excuses for your delusion.

Let me use your logic to say, God is undefined and non-existent.  See, I just assigned a new property just as valid as any of yours, badecker’s or notbatman’s.

I just realized that I might be talking to a real schizophrenic.  So please excuse me, I have to leave this ward.
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July 27, 2019, 02:00:43 AM
Anybody has thoughts about life after death?

Most people believe the judgement day but scientifically once we died its the end.
legendary
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July 27, 2019, 01:38:05 AM

Let me guess, God is not part of everything and you know this because someone like CoinCube told you. Lol.

You guys are comedians. You make shit up as you go.

The reverse is true actually. I learned about most of these concepts because someone like BADecker told me. I rejected them for a very long time until I could no longer deny their inherent rationality and truth.

I don't make anything up. I make rational arguments and highlight the assumptions I make in those arguments. I may occasionally speculate but when I do I clearly identify the idea as speculation and advise the reader to think about the topic and reach their own conclusion not simply rely on my musings.

The concept of an infinite God's necessary distance to allow a finite creation to exist is actually a very deep one. However, you won't appreciate it because you don't believe in God. To be honest its not a topic I fully grasp. However for those interested in the topic here is an interesting article on it. A brief excerpt below full article at link.

Tzimtzum: A Kabbalistic Theory of Creation by Dr. Sanford Drob
http://thejewishreview.org/articles/?id=121
Quote from: Sanford Drob
An article in a recent issue of U.S. News and World Report begins with what would seem at first to be a rather odd question for one of our nation's major news weeklies. How, the article asks, did the universe begin and it proceeds to provide the following by way of an answer:

"In the beginning, there was no time, no matter, not even space. Then in some unfathomable way, a universe emerged from a dimensionless point of pure energy (U.S. News and World Report, March 26, 1990)."

This, the article assures us, is as close to a description of 'the beginning' as science can currently provide, and it is to probe deeper into the questions of cosmic origins that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration plans, on April 12, 1990, to place the 1.5 billion dollar Hubble Space Telescope into earth orbit on the most sophisticated scientific satellite ever constructed.

As I pondered the news weekly's description of creation, I was struck by what appears to be at least a superficial similarity to the account of creation provided in the Kabbalah. Indeed, the description reads almost as if it were a translation from a passage in the opening pages of Chayim Vital's Sefer Etz Chayyim, the classic exposition of the Kabbalah of the Ari, Rabbi Isaac Luria. Rabbi Luria, starting from completely different assumptions and operating in a universe of discourse which is, to use an unusually precise metaphor, light years away from the Hubble telescope, arrived at the very same conclusion: that the universe emerged from a dimensionless point which gave rise to a world of matter, space, and time. Only, for the kabbalists, that dimensionless point is not so much an impenetrable beginning, but is rather the end result of a process occurring within God Himself. This process, known as tzimtzum (divine contraction or concealment) is, according to the Lurianic scheme, the very essence of creation; it is the means by which an infinite unified God "makes room," so to speak, for a finite, pluralistic world. Through an understanding of the doctrine of tzimtzum we may, without ever turning our gaze upon the astronomical heavens, gain some genuine insight into how a universe of matter, space and time could emerge from a single point in a metaphysical void.

The kabbalistic account of creation is, to the uninitiated, a very strange, difficult and perhaps even disturbing notion. However, it is a notion which gives expression to a series of paradoxical, but deeply profound ideas. Amongst them is the notion that the universe as we know it is the result of a cosmic negation. The world, according to Lurianic kabbalah, is not so much a something which has been created from nothing, but rather a genre of nothingness resulting from a contraction or concealment of the only true reality, which is God. A closely related notion is the idea that it is the very unfathomability and unknowability of God and His ways which is the sine qua non of creation itself. Creation, the doctrine of tzimtzum implies, is, in its very essence, "that which does not know."

One cannot be expected to understand or accept such notions without some significant and serious explanation. In this essay I offer a philosophical exposition, commentary, and in some respects, elaboration of the concept of tzimtzum as it appears in the kabbalistic system of Rabbi Isaac Luria (1534‑1572) and his disciples such as Rabbi Chayim Vital and later, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Lyadi. In addition, I offer an idealist and rationalist philosophical context in which these ideas can, I believe, be best understood.
legendary
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July 27, 2019, 12:49:34 AM

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

Cause and effect, by which everything operates through the laws of physics, shows that God has to have all knowledge. You don't get intelligence and universe order, like the kind people and the universe have, after thousands of years without any input guidance, from a crap shoot at the beginning.

Cool

Let me guess, God is not part of everything and you know this because someone like CoinCube told you. Lol.

You guys are comedians. You make shit up as you go.
legendary
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July 26, 2019, 08:04:18 PM

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

Cause and effect, by which everything operates through the laws of physics, shows that God has to have all knowledge. You don't get intelligence and universe order, like the kind people and the universe have, after thousands of years without any input guidance, from a crap shoot at the beginning.

Cool
legendary
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July 26, 2019, 04:18:51 PM

You have been indoctrinated into your religious cult and are unable to free yourself from it.

You desperately cling onto this Bronze Age myth despite all the evidence that it is a man-made fiction.

If you truly believe in it, you might be a borderline schizophrenic.  No amount of evidence will change your mind because you live in a carefully constructed bubble and will protect it at all costs.

Talking to you feels like talking to notbatman.  At times you seem lucid, but then you revert into this comatose pseudoscientific state and you keep babbling about nonsense, proving nonsense with other nonsense.


Your replies are getting a bit empty lately af_newbie. Everyone is almost exactly the same.

"Christianity is a cult"
"You are (random insult) a hapless chap, a borderline schizophrenic, comatose, delusional."
"Your arguments are not rational (but I can't be bothered to actually rebut them)"

Since you appear to have no actual interest in thinking about or discussing my posts here is a list of future insults you can substitute into your template for your next several replies. I would not want you to strain yourself.

75 Funny Insults which are Incredibly Brutal!
http://pun.me/pages/funny-insults.php
Quote
1) If laughter is the best medicine, your face must be curing the world.

2) You're so ugly, you scared the crap out of the toilet.

3) Your family tree must be a cactus because everybody on it is a prick.

4) No I'm not insulting you, I'm describing you.

5) It's better to let someone think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and prove it.

6) If I had a face like yours, I'd sue my parents.

7) Your birth certificate is an apology letter from the condom factory.

8 )I guess you prove that even god makes mistakes sometimes.

9) The only way you'll ever get laid is if you crawl up a chicken's ass and wait.

10) You're so fake, Barbie is jealous.

11) I’m jealous of people that don’t know you!

12) My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you're ugly too.

13) You're so ugly, when your mom dropped you off at school she got a fine for littering.

14) If I wanted to kill myself I'd climb your ego and jump to your IQ.

15) You must have been born on a highway because that's where most accidents happen.

16) Brains aren't everything. In your case they're nothing.

17) I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.

18) I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.


 

legendary
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July 26, 2019, 03:36:25 PM

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.


Please elaborate.
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July 26, 2019, 02:01:22 PM

Where these prehumans came from?  If they were not humans, breeding with Adam’s sons would not work.lol

Didn’t your God create Adam to be the first man, wait for it, from fucking dirt?

You are a hapless chap. You cling to your Christian cult no matter the obvious holes in its dogma.

Just admit that you will believe in your God no matter the evidence to the contrary.  Don’t pretend you are a rational person when you are clearly way in the Christian la-la land.

God created life from dirt.

Was the Bible RIGHT about the origins of life? Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in CLAY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

God created man from life over time. So yes God created Adam from dirt. It probably took a long time for that dirt to go through various shapes and forms until it became Adam.

You should read up on how new species are thought to form. They probably initially exists as subsets within a larger population before branching off so yes the very first of what we would call human beings would presumably have existed among a larger planet wide population of prehumans they could breed with. Read the article on speciation I linked upthread.

At some point prehumans who did not have knowledge of good and evil obtained it and became the fallen creatures we refer to today as humans. The first two prehumans to "eat from the tree of knowledge" and the beginnings of our species are referred to as Adam and Eve.

Anyways that's my opinion on the matter. Other interpretations are out there and people should think about the issue for themselves.

There cannot be evidence against God. That is impossible as I highlighted above. One can make the case that there is evidence against the Bible. Its a very weak case. The more one dives into that text the more depth and complexity one finds. Like layers of an onion,



Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.
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