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Your purpose in life is Christianity?  Jesus fucking Christ, you are wasting your life.  I thought you asked what fills the void when one does not have faith in the supernatural and the afterlife, how one explains the unknowns of this world?  The answer is still reason and logic.

As for the purpose of life, for me, the purpose of MY life is to be happy, love people close to me, have kids, and help them become independent thinkers who can survive in our very complicated and competitive world.  I love to learn new stuff, I am always 'a fucking newbie', aka af_newbie in any new field, I start to explore.  That is why I am here in this world.  To learn and help others in my life.

There is no void, I am whole, LOL.

BTW, you cannot have moral improvement with Christianity without changing (or ignoring) the moral rules specified in the Bible.  The same goes for all other religions.  That is why they have to go through revisions or 'transformations', LOL.  Basically, ignore what 'God said'.
The only idiots who think chopping heads, stoning and burning people alive is STILL a good idea are the Muslims.  Christians stopped doing that about two centuries ago.  I think the last burning alive was in Germany in 1835.

I wish people would be honest with themselves, admit they were conned, see what religions really are, a way to control people and extract money from them.

Instead, some people lock themselves into this religious thought prison and cannot admit they have made a mistake; that their God fucked up on more than one occasion.

Banning slavery should have been in the 10 commandments.   Some, weak-ass God you have there.  A 5-year-old child knows that slavery is wrong.  He supposed to be God for fuck's sake.  

But the reality is that God was just some guy in Judea who wrote what he thought was a good idea at that time.  Well, it was never a good idea.  It was wrong back then, and it is wrong now.  

Mr. God knew squat about psychology so to him if there was no blood there was no harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZLuRYp8gk

Reason and logic are process not purpose. They are tools used to acquire and retain power. Power over the world power and power over ourselves. The pursuit of power is not an ends it is a means.

You imply we should reject God in favor of accumulating as much individual knowledge and thus power as possible but to what end?

The Christian goal is moral improvement forgiveness of and eventual freedom from sin, and oneness and harmony with God in the world to come. You have chosen to reject that and have replaced it with...

That’s just it you haven’t replaced it with anything you’ve just created a void. It’s that void that drives many to suicide and others to insane ideologies and depression. You can try to fill it with something artificial. You can create some purpose maybe sex, money or perhaps scientific know how. Whatever you choose, however, will forever be an artificial construct something you purposely constructed and something that can be torn down and discarded whenever the mood shifts.

You feel the ‘God' proposition does not justify serious consideration. I respectfully but profoundly disagree.

The void is filled with reason and logic.  That is the only way to stay sane, make rational and moral decisions.

BTW, there is nothing to reject.  The 'God' proposition does not justify serious consideration.  There is no definition of it.
There is absolutely no evidence to consider.

Every single religious myth (yours included) is based on the cultural beliefs of the people who created it.

Belief in magic and danger was an evolutionary survival mechanism.  
It was better to make a type 1 than type 2 error and die because you were wrong.

Think about this, we both have rejected 3000+ Gods.  I just rejected on more cultural myth than you.

Why did you reject Zeus or Quetzalcoatl?

Every religious person was very lucky to be born into the right religion and believe in the right God, LOL.  Think about it.

PS. How could you consider me a God, my body is fragile, about 60% water, my skin is penetrable, I will live another 30 or 40 years, 50 if I am super lucky.  I am a descendant of an African ape, my maternal haplogroup is L, paternal Haplogroup is A, less than 4% of my DNA is of Neanderthal origin (got 288 out of 2872 tested variants).  Hardly a supernatural being. LOL.

That made me laugh I will give you that.

No offense intended but my skepticism over your divine providence exceeds even your disregard of my beliefs.

Though your post was clearly in jest you should consider the degree to which your belief structure leads you to a very similar pronunciation of self-righteousness and self-justification.

When we reject God something else will inevitably fill that void. The most common modern path of the irreligious is to declare themselves their own god perhaps not explicitly as you did in jest above but in a functionally identical way via their choices and actions.

By the divine power vested in me, I now give you an infinite grace.  

From now on, you are a good person, not a sinner.  

The deed is done.  

You are free to go, my child.

That is a difference between us. You think you are a good person. I know I am a flawed sinner in need of grace.




I must politely disagree on which of the two of us are engaging in a death cult.

Who told you such nonsense?  Was it a gypsy fortune teller?  They like to say that before they ask for money to lift the curse that prevents you from being 'good'.

There are good and bad people out there, regardless of what they believe or not believe.

"No humans are good". LOL.  You are cracking me up.

I guess they first have to tell you that you are sick (not well) before they will offer you their solution/treatment/salvation etc.  
Otherwise, you will not swallow their bait.

Religion poisons one's mind.  It is a virus passed on from parents/grandparents to their children/grandchildren.

The only way to cure yourself from it is to go cold turkey and face the people who infected you.

Life is worth living for, death is not.  That is what you are doing.  Engaging in a death cult.

If you are an MD like you say you are, you KNOW for sure that cell death is an irreversible process.  When someone dies, he/she actually dies
and nothing will bring them back to life.  Why would you believe in this death/resurrection cult is beyond me?

Someone really messed you up.  I hope that you will recover from it someday.  I really do.

The wind swirls round and round. The pine needles are blown away in the swirling wind. Guess I better not cast my swirls before the pine.

ROFL.  'Salvation' is part of your delusion, it will die with you. LOL.

It's about salvation. Science won't save you. So far science hasn't been able to extend the lives of people any more than Biblical hygiene does. Science doesn't even talk about salvation.

Step up to Christianity, and let God save you for eternal life in Heaven.

I am religious about reading non-religious books, LOL.  

Not to worry, your threats (of my ultimate destruction) do not scare me.  I am sane and quite happy to be alive.

You and I will rot the same, however.  When your brain goes offline, you'll not feel or experience a thing, 'your idea, feeling of God' will die with you, of that I am certain.

So enjoy your life, your religion, your delusional worldview because when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered. Your Bible will be relocated to the mythology section of your local library, people will be establishing new colonies in this solar system and beyond.  And your precious Jesus or Yahweh will follow the footsteps of Zeus, Ra, Thor, Osiris, Mitra and all of the other mythological figures created by primitive, ancient civilizations.

Progress will be made despite Christian, Muslim or Jewish opposition.  Maybe even in your lifetime, we'll have an openly lesbian, black Pope.

If all you hear from me is la-la-la Christians good then you are not listening.

Christians are not good. No humans are good. We are all fallen. Humanity is a worming and struggling mass of the ignorant and foolish wallowing like swine in a mud-pit each of us covered from head to toe. Most of us spend our time looking for comfortable pits or fighting with each other for the best mud.

The Christian worldview opens ones eyes to the reality. It is the wiping away of at least a portion of the mud covering our eyes so we can see the reality of the world around us. However, Christianity is far more than just a realization of our fallen state. It is also the assertion that underneath the inches of hardened mud their exists a core of infinite value something worthy of forgiveness and life. It is a calling to clean the mud off of ourselves to the best of our ability and then help others do the same.  

The only solution to the inherent flaw in humanity is to forsake all for a selfless existence. But this is extremely difficult for a human to even approximate. We are bound in our evolutionary fragment of the universe which make it impossible for us to be truly superrational of our own accord. Our biological and human limitations ensure this at least in this world and in this form.

The process is in my opinion what C.S. Lewis was referring to in his man vs rabbit essay when he said we cannot reach the top of the mountain on our own and even if we could we would perish because we currently lack what is necessary at those heights.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ

The symmetry of our common human situation is what is notable. Some of us may be slightly higher up the mountain then others and further along in our climb. But we are all still among among the bottom slopes of the mountain and incapable of completing the journey on our own. Our weakness and ignorance guarantee our eventual death no matter how high we climb. Thus our desperate need for a savior.  

Christians follow Jesus but our role can only be that of a sheep following a shepherd. Wayward, foolish and prone to stray regardless of our intent.

Why does God call us sheep?
https://inhonoroftheking.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-does-god-call-us-sheep.html?m=1

You claim to support science and agree with it. The thing that science does is it gets down to the tiny points, examines the evidence, watches how things react together, and draws conclusions from what is happening.

Why is it that you want to disregard the science of formal religion? Formal religion isn't something you can lump together and draw conclusions about without deep examination. What you are doing is akin to religion more than it is science. So...

You again show us all that you are a religious being. And that in this case, you would rather set yourself and your ideals up as god over scientific examination.

You need to find the best formal religion you can find, and adhere to it. If you don't, your duplicity will ultimately destroy you. Your choice.

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17342890

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

Over 400,000 people living in 'modern slavery' in US, report finds - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index.

What is Modern Slavery? - https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/.

Again, what do you want? Death or slavery? If you are out of options, wouldn't it be nice if you could find a master who would feed you in return for some labor?

We have welfare systems set up. Other places in the world don't. If it is volunteer slavery so that you can survive, and if it is legal or acceptable, why die?

The Bible talks in the O.T. against stealing people (for slavery). The slavery that was the custom of ancient peoples was being reduced in O.T. times by the Bible. You don't simply take a system that people have been using for ages, and suddenly change it. It took time for things to get where they are today. However, all over Africa and the Middle East and China, slavery is presently being allowed by governments even though they formally have laws against it.

Read what Saint Paul said as I added it above. The Bible is against slavery. But the people had to be trained out of their long-time habits. And systems had to be set in place for taking care of those in need so that they didn't have to sell themselves into slavery.

Until we can set up systems to take care of impoverished people all over the world, slavery is good. It benefits the slaves.

It is not the slavery we are talking about here.  Microsoft cannot beat you with a physical rod.
Microsoft cannot sell you on the open slave market in Libya.  They don't OWN you.  You can quit your job and start your own Microsoft.

Exodus 21:20-21
_{"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."}

Do you think that a minimum wage worker who works for Microsoft is not a slave?

People who have slaves, don't have them just for the fun of owning people. They own their slaves so that the slaves produce some kind of product/service for them. They feed their slaves because they know slaves die without food. They give their slaves water, because they know slaves die without water to drink. They take care of their slaves in whatever ways make the slaves produce more.

Your slave master where you work pays you the way he does because he hopes that his pay will make you slave for him better.

If a person doesn't have any method for getting food, and he sells himself to a master so he won't die, that's voluntary slavery by the slave. Would you rather have a dead person than a slave working to build his value up so he can free himself?

But the USA won't let starving people do this... sell themselves to a master. Instead, they make the slaves their slaves... work for an income and pay taxes.

Wake up. It's all slavery. The only difference is the quality of life for some slaves over other slaves.



EDIT: Btw. St. Paul writing to the Corinthians, 1 Corinthians 7:21:

What is there to ignore? God supports people. People select their government no matter what government it is. All you are trying to do is tell people to not support the government they promised to support. Do you think that governments that are democracies aren't supported by God, somehow?