Topic: Health and Religion - page 34. (Read 210914 times)

''The Bible answers the questions about creation of the universe and life. Your bubble doesn't have any answers to these things.'' Well, define ''answers'', you mean claims. I can find a ton of books who answer questions about creation of the universe and life, plenty of gods and supernatural beings are said to be creators of it. I can find books talking about advanced aliens creating us too. Unfortunately just because a book says something, doesn't mean it's true, specially when there is no evidence for it.

God creating the universe is not known to have happened - no evidence

Yet the soul and spirit that are part of the belief are the exact things that you use to believe that they are not in existence. Come on. Use your head, man.

Talk about bubbles...

The Bible answers the questions about creation of the universe and life. Your bubble doesn't have any answers to these things.

The math of big bang doesn't include anything that was known to have happened. But the Bible does.

Evolution is not known to have happened - no evidence - But the Bible explains how life happened.

Abiogenesis is not known to have happened. It is all just theory without proof. The Bible shows taht there wasn't any abiogenesis.

You live in a carefully constructed bubble. It exists like a religion for you, because you only have evidence that can be applied to many things other than the way you have presented it in your bubble. But you don't have any proof.

Bible people at least have the eye witness accounts from the Bible.

You want to believe that your scientists are telling the truth when they build up stories that have no evidence know for a fact to fit their stories. You simply pick and choose to believe no evidence, and absolutely no proof, and a bunch of people who are eye witnesses to no evidence and absolutely no proof. You live in a carefully constructed bubble.

The Bible tells how things happened. And here they are, just like the Bible says.

Your scientists tell you how things happened, but they are the guys who are supposed to have proof before they tell you something that you are supposed to believe as proof. But all their theories are theories because they have been changed many times, and so that they can be changed many more times. Not only do you live in a bubble, you live in an ever-changing bubble. What was known to exist in your bubble, may easily be changed to be just the opposite any day of the week.

You quote something that says ''believed to survive death'' you know what believed means? It doesn't say, it's a fact. You have to prove the soul as in that definition exists and you haven't, the only thing you can do is keep yelling it's self-evident. It's clearly not self-evident and there is absolutely no evidence that we have a soul that survives death. Unless you have evidence, you lost the argument.

Thank you for acknowledging the definition, and thereby acknowledging the fact of the soul even though you attempt to contradict yourself simultaneously. Good English language practice for you, right?

So basically you have no evidence for any of this and you are just making shit up as usual, is there something not self-evident for you? Evolution is self-evident and you don't believe in it lol.

''Since there are human beings, there are souls, by the definition.'' Not really ''2. the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come:'' That's far from self-evident and claiming we have such thing is stupid without evidence.

You are being childish says the guy who wants to abolish the first amendment of the US constitution. Freedom of religion must go of course if we are going to make it illegal for parents to share their religious beliefs with their children.

My moral standard is superior says the guy who insists his ideological opponents are not only without legitimacy but so crazy and dangerous that should be institutionalized so a team of "medical professionals" can teach them to think in the approved manner.

The secular legal frameworks will keep people in check says the guy who is proposing a road to government tyranny and dystopia so blatantly that it sounds like the prequel to Orwell's 1984.

Honestly I don't really know what to say.
I am baffled that you cannot seem to see the darkness in your dreams of secular utopia.

In my Argument for God I made the case that rejection of God starts a gradual but progressive slide towards totalitarianism.

You are a data point supporting my claim. Thank you for providing a real life example of how one can embrace tyranny after rejecting God.
 

Keeping faith at a moderate level, religion can bring benefits such as lowering blood pressure, boosting the immune system and prolonging the life span.

Why do I have to prove something that is self evident? Since there are human beings, there are souls, by the definition.

The only thing I might have to come close to proving (should I happen to be interest in proving it), is whether or not you are a human being. Maybe you are truthful if you say that you have no soul. Maybe you are not a human being. LOL.

So which definition do you want to use? Certainly if it's ''5. a human being; person.'' There is no point in differentiating a baby from his soul since the soul is a human being. How about ''the emotional part of human nature; the seat of the feelings or sentiments.'' Is that the definition you are using? Please tell me which one is the correct one that you are using, otherwise this conversation will lead to nowhere.

You first claim:

''I disagree. God didn't make us unhealthy. In fact, He made us so extremely healthy that He gave us freedom. Freedom, like in free will. Then we used our freedom in free will to make ourselves unhealthy.''

My rebuttal was that a baby can't physically give himself cancer.

Your rebuttal to that, I guess, was that you were talking about ''we''

Then I said, we, don't want a baby to have any diseases but even if we did, we still don't have the ability to induce some genetically diseases into a baby, it's impossible right now.

Then you said some crazy shit about how do I know that the baby's soul or spirit isn't the one doing it.

You have to prove the existence of a soul or a spirit first and you didn't.

It is very possible that you don't exist as a human being. Perhaps you absolutely don't have a soul. I mean, maybe you are an AI that has been developed enough to post in the forum.

No soul, eh? LOL!

Wow you are scary af_newbie.

I have noticed you prefer to shy away from the logical consequences of your own beliefs always attempting to change the subject to that of slavery or gay people.


Here we go again. I provided a possible answer to this question earlier.

Here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17342890

and again here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15925386

''The fact that every scientist is alive as the sentient being that he is, proves that he has a soul and spirit.'' I don't possibly see how that's proof for soul's existence. There is 0 evidence, scientific or unscientific of the existence of a soul or the spirit. You keep making shit up, again, as usual. Come out of your denial dude, in the same way, the flying spaghetti exists, even tho we have 0 scientific evidence for it, everyone being alive is proof that the flying spaghetti made us, it's obvious, duh.

Not only do I not see the harm I actually think your beliefs threaten far more harm. Super Freaky!

Should I be institutionalized against my will? Freaks are dangerous after all especially ones that are so deranged that they they require not a single psychiatrist but an entire team of professionals to help them.

There should be plenty of people available to do the institutionalizing. After all if we are going to be putting video cameras into the home of every religious person to make sure they are not talking about God and abusing children and/or encouraging children report their parents to their school teaches and principle and denounce their parents if they hear the forbidden word God there is going to be lots and lots of "child abuse" to deal with.

We are going to need a new branch of the police to deal with all this work. I like the name Thinkpol for this new group. It has a nice ring to it. What do you think?


 
At a minimum I think it was written by people who were inspired by God or the ideal of God. Beyond that I am not certain I try to keep an open mind.

everyone believes what they want to believe until they see it. for some, God is one, for someone I like paganism there are several. the main thing is not to lose their humanity, and not to blindly follow the masses . nothing wrong with their point of view not see. the main thing to bear in the world good, properly dispose of the forces and knowledge!

The fact that every scientist is alive as the sentient being that he is, proves that he has a soul and spirit. What the soul and spirit are made up of is the thing that has not been proven.

Take a simple automobile for example. A car exists. You can see it. You can handle it one way or another. But you would have to dismantle it and scientifically examine each part to scientifically determine what it was made of. Stating that the car doesn't exist because you haven't dismantled and examined it, shows that you would be in extreme scientific denial.

Or take a black hole. We know that something exists that we have dubbed a black hole. Yet we haven't handled or examined even one of them in any way other than to examine electromagnetic radiation disturbances in the BH area. We don't know that our scientific theories about a BH are correct.

In the same way, souls and spirits exist, even though we can't scientifically do much in the way of scientifically handling them, yet. Come on out of your denial.

''Since soul and spirit exist by simple observation of the various kinds of activities that people do'' Rofl, yeah, every scientist says that mate, we all know souls and spirits are real, give me a break, you have 0 evidence for this, stop making shit up.

All you are posting is something that has nothing to do with what you or I said previously.

The point is, that science being in its infancy, and by direct expression of many of its adherents, is essentially a religion. Since soul and spirit exist by simple observation of the various kinds of activities that people do as well as how they express their feelings about things, and since it is outside the arena of scientific expertise at this time, religion rules. This means that any method we use to affect our health is a religious method.

What a nice argument, we don't know therefore you are wrong, astargath. Amazing argument there buddy, then god might not exist because we don't know enough about other dimensions or things outside the universe or even if it's possible to exist ''outside the universe'' check mate. I win.

Thanks for the explanation of your great Bible knowledge. In your quote of my posting, you forgot the part "we don't understand." So, why do you bring the Bible into it? Everything that you posted has nothing to do with the fact that we don't know that babies aren't responsible for their own health to some extent, via aspects of the soul and spirit that we don't know about.

Maybe babies are responsible for their own health to some extent, via their soul and spirit. We don't know. Or do you know? Show us how you know one way or the other if you know. If you don't know, but suggest that I am "batshit crazy" for suggesting that we don't know, you are simply badmouthing me. Are you trolling? Or are you simply envious that I can provide explanations for things that I say, and you can't or won't for the things that you say?

Back at the time of Darwin, there were several people who were talking about evolution, like Darwin. Yet, most people in general understood that life came about and progressed through creation. Now you want to suggest that I am "batshit crazy" because I say that we don't know how much the soul and spirit play in the formation of a baby? Scientific people are trying to find out all kinds of science about how the soul and spirit play into the lives of people, and what the soul and spirit really are. Darwin's "batshit crazy" stuff is okay for you. But I am "batshit crazy" when I say that we don't know about something. Sounds like you are a "batshit politician" of some sort.