Topic: Health and Religion - page 33. (Read 210900 times)

1. garbage

2. makes no sense

3. ''act like you know what God's wishes are, but you really don't.'' You claimed this: ''God "wrote" His laws in their hearts, and confirmed them in religious books'' You said god wrote his laws in our hearts yet we all know slavery or discrimination against homosexuals is wrong and yet the bible does not.

4. God, as you claim only leaves us with a really small amount of free will. ''in which faith He allows you to exercise some free will'' Therefore someone being gay is something he didn't choose, it was all written by god. Now if you really think that just because you ''own'' something you can do whatever you want with it, you are deeply misguided and have 0 morals. We don't allow people to kill their dogs or children just because they ''own'' them, didn't your parents teach you anything? You might be a psychopath.

It's not "scared of atheists." It's "scared for atheists." When you see people drowning in a lake, you try to help them. Atheists are drowning in the lake of fire already, even though it is only being prepared for them. Scared for them. Don't want anyone to die forever in that kind of pain.

God shows himself on the parts of the bushes that we can see. Now that we have microscopes, we can see more of God in the parts of the bushes that were hidden before we had microscopes to see them. There are still some parts of God hidden in the parts of the bushes that microscopes are not powerful enough to reveal to us.

To unbelievers, God is hidden everywhere. At the judgment, He will force them to see Him.


He rules your life according to the strength of your faith in Him, in which faith He allows you to exercise some free will. Every living person has some faith in God, even if they don't know it... just to remain alive.


God being the Owner of everything has the right to do with His property whatever He wishes. You, being an unbeliever, act like you know what God's wishes are, but you really don't.



Since God set down freedom for people to act in good ways, and then He told the people that homosexuality and forced slavery is wrong, He is right in making such rules and laws, because He set everything up, and He owns everything. He has the absolute right to do with everything that which He wishes to do, because He owns it all.

You, on the other hand, would attempt to take God's property away from Him, even if that property is simply to follow His laws that He has the right to make. God offers you some freedom for now. But ultimately, you will lose all freedom that is of any importance... if you don't turn to Jesus salvation in faith.

1. Hiding in the bushes, right?

2. If god rules my life then I should not be held accountable for any of my actions

3. ''God "wrote" His laws in their hearts, and confirmed them in religious books'' God confirms that killing someone in the sabbath is ok, that's not on my mind. God confirms slavery is ok, that's not on my mind either. You sure about this badecker?

4. Or start by acknowledging that slavery is wrong or discrimination against homosexuals is wrong.

At last a topic not about spamming and mindless commentaries, as far I understand the bad aspects of modern life, I can't ignore the bad aspects of religion too, in the end all relies in the need of perfect balance.

I  think, there are some reasons why people are religious but don't believe in God.

1. Ignorance. For some people it's very hard just to think about it. They were told that God existed and they had to go to church or mosque for praying or something like that. And that's all. They can't even make an effort to make their brain work and realize that God is working and showing Himself in nature all around them.

2. Weakness. Nobody easily accepts the fact that they will die someday and it will be the very end for them in this life. So, they don't look for a life after the death in the Heaven or in the Hell. Also, everyone encounters with problems and not everyone can solve them. Some people think that praying, going to church or something like that will miraculously help them. Sometimes such religion works like a placebo. But a strong or, at least, clever person clearly understands that even he, himself, cannot help himself, and the One his life depends on is God, alone... not he, himself, or even other people. Everybody should understand it - nobody,  but only God rules your life through cause and effect.

3. Hypocrisy. Some people don't do bad things only because they are afraid of God's punishment. Some people do good things just because they wait for be awarded by God. But many others realize that the only reason why they make good things, is because God "wrote" His laws in their hearts, and confirmed them in religious books, especially the Bible. And all you need for not doing bad things is your conscience and moral rules that God wrote in your heart starting with Adam, the first man He made, and handed down through procreation to all people, in their hearts and minds. But certainly not the rules that were written by people in governments, starting today, and going back to antiquity.

4. Indoctrination. People are born into religion of their parents. Religion is taught to them since birth. Culture and religion build a worldview that is unshakable for most people. Only intellectually strong individuals can break the chain, think for themselves and destroy the good morals taught by their parents and religion in the world, and start to follow the evil religion of their own imagination, and of the imaginations of others who think the same way they do.

And I am am 100% sure you didn't bother to read or understand what I just said.

Are you absolutely certain the world is not flat and humans cannot trace our common ancestor to dirt? If you are you may need learn more about science.

Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in dirt
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

Scientists shows that the world may be 2-dimensional aka flat
https://m.phys.org/news/2017-01-reveals-substantial-evidence-holographic-universe.html


There is never a defense for evil it just is.

However, we can do things to mitigate evil and reduce its hold on the world or we can do things that strengthen evil making the word darker.

The evil is inherent in humanity. The religion be it Communism, Christianity, or Confucianism either suppresses that evil or gives it free reign to manifest.

Your error is one of judgement. You have misclassified one of the best tools for suppressing evil as the cause of evil.

History does not support this conclusion.


You amuse me af_newbie so certain in your self righteousness that you are willing to criminalize the views of your opponents.

On top of that you have the brazen audacity to imply that by objecting to your desire to impose totalitarian and ideological tyranny I am somehow persecuting you.

I have stated on multiple occasions that you should be free to believe whatever you want to believe and teach your children what you believe to be true. Your logic is twisted and incoherent.

Most of the research’s coming out mostly disprove what others brought and now we don’t even know what actually to believe because two research teams will do the same experimentation and come out two totally different results. The health of a person is more important than any religion out there.

I think health interest is the main goal in the world but if we / you believe in religion or god,
Religion is important because if we believe in religion we also believe that there is a world / nature after the world (the earth),
So from both options are equally important in their own nature.

Another big difference is that science is evolving, sometimes is wrong and scientists accept that, that's why some scientific theories are changed sometimes almost entirely. On the other hand religion is not evolving, it's the same books as before, there is nothing new to it and theists never EVER will admit they are wrong on ANYTHING. Even though it is proven beyond a doubt that ghosts, demons or witches are not real they still wont admit it.

We are very fortunate. There is still hope in my opinion that the US can halt its secular decay. People are starting to wake up to the downsides of the secular nihilistic worldview.

You keep mentioning the scientific revolution and the secular worldview in the same sentence in an attempt to give credit to the latter that belongs with the former. Those terms are not synonyms and science is entirely compatible with non secular beliefs.

Transformative
http://www.yourdictionary.com/transformative
adjective
"The definition of transformative is something, such as a lesson or experience, that inspires change or causes a shift in viewpoint."

I think you lack an understanding of human history and the arc of our progress over time.

You talk about the crimes of the ancients and try to apply modern standards of behavior and judge them. That is foolish. If you want to judge the ancient's be they Zeus worshiping vikings, Non-denominational Mongols, or Christian Europeans you need to judge them in the context of the world those ancients lived in.

There are reasons that the modern world rose up out of the heart of the west and not elsewhere. Those reasons are deeply related to the culture of the west and its religious traditions.



Progressive secular thought also brought us Communism, mass abortion, shattered homes where anywhere from 40-50% of children are born out of wedlock, divorce rates of 50% or more, huge increases in clinical depression in our youth with almost a 40 percent increase in clinical depression just the last 10 years and many other wonders of modernity.

I have already told you I respect the right of individuals to make their own choices even if I think they are bad choices. As an atheist you could have lived quite comfortably in the United States at any time from the founding of its constitution (where freedom of religion is codified) to the present day. No one is threatening to come to your house and kill you. You are the only one pushing a totalitarian agenda.

I have answered your questions about the Bible. However, I am far from an expert so I have also recommended you examine the works of others who have more expertise then I do.

I find it amusing that you now describe all of my claims as laughable when as far as I can tell you did not dispute any of my first four claims. You even stated you agreed with claim #4 in your comments here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/health-and-religion-1373864

You also never really challenged my claims 5-8 an oversight I previously highlighted.


Your only argument was that somehow your single moral principle in isolation was sufficient making my overall position unnecessary.

With all do respect your moral principle is clearly insufficient and this is demonstrated by the conclusions you are drawing from it.

You claim that I am totally insane. So crazy that I need a team of professionals to help me learn to think correctly. You claim that because I will teach my children what I genuinely believe to be true that I am also a child abuser who's children need to be ripped from me and their home.

Yet what is my crime? I have committed none. I simply disagree with you about the nature of reality. For this thought crime you seek to turn the might of the state against me and use it to force me to accept your worldview at the point of a gun or see my family destroyed.

I realize you think this is all totally justified. Part of the unpleasantness necessary to bring about your dreams of secular utopia. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs yadda yadda yadda.

The Bible indeed has a lot of wisdom in it. It even talks about destructive ideologies like yours.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

My beliefs do not demand I force you to conform to my worldview. I don't make the claim that you need psychiatric help or that your children should be taken from you. Yet you accuse me of coercion when that is the very thing you seek to unleash upon the world.

You worldview is false and I believe that is clear enough to be obvious at this point to any objective reader.

The purpose of the Bible as I understand it is to be a functional and transformative document. It must therefore "work" be interpretable within the context of ancient times, for modern educated man, and for a future humanity vastly more sophisticated then we are.

The broad range of conditions reduces the way knowledge can be conceptualized in the book.

The knowledge within it must be both simplified and understandable within the context of the ancients while simultaneously possessing a depth that remains true as the conditions change and society progresses.

Your approach of picking out a sentence or two here or there and highlighting the difficulties in understanding them from the modern worldview is the wrong one.

If you (other people reading this) are serious in their desire to understand the text. I highly recommend the Jordan Peterson series of Biblical lectures.

Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2s&v=f-wWBGo6a2w

No it doesn't, you claim it does but there is no evidence that the bible is divinely inspired, otherwise the morals and teachings of the bible would be superior and they aren't as we already discussed here many times.

A dictionary defines unicorns and minotaurs too, it doesn't mean they are real, are you dumb or are you trolling. You have to prove the existence of the soul, remember? You haven't done that yet.

Actually, it is you who make no sense. You accept the dictionary definition that tells yo something, and in the same breath deny the thing that it tells you, all at the same time that you are using the thing that it tells you. Keep it up. At that rate, you will deny yourself right out of existence.

Thank you for admitting that science doesn't have the answers, and that believers in science are part of their own bubble.

The Bible has a miraculous format of existence that I have pointed out to you several times in the past. The Bible is divinely inspired. The other books don't have this.

That makes no sense, you lost. Deal with it like a man.