Topic: Health and Religion - page 35. (Read 210914 times)

So we collectively give diseases to babies? ''the workings of nature and the soul and the spirit to state for a fact that the baby absolutely didn't take part in giving himself his own cancer.'' what the fuck are you even talking about dude, why do you keep making shit up. The bible says nothing about our spirit doing things that we are not aware of and why would a baby give himself cancer. Your delusion is amazing.

Badecker arguing on how a baby gives himself cancer, you are batshit crazy mate.

Thanks. I am fine whatever way.   

I've gone OT enough already and that was my mistake.  I have pm'd the OP and because I started this OT and am in the middle of it I have asked him if he wants the OT posts removed (mine and yours).  I will leave it up to him for now.

Alternatively, BADecker if you want it removed as OT I would do that as well, and offer my apology to the OP for taking it OT.

As for further discussion it's OT so I won't continue with it.

Lol. Thank you, oh great one, for relieving my personal anxiety. Haven't you realized yet that we can badmouth each other all day if we want, but that doing such proves nothing, except maybe our own, personal, pathetic state?



So, you have suggested that there are around 22,000 examples. Yet, you couldn't even show one of them, with explanation about why even one of them is BS. Seems to me you are the one who is expressing the BS. Of course, maybe it isn't BS for you. Maybe it is only ignorance.

You don't have to worry about looking great to others, you're way past that dude.  You are on the Notbatman level, does that make sense to you yet?


There are somewhere around 22,000 examples here for you mate.  I'm a little surprised you couldn't find them... https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/badecker-149737.  I think there is enough detail in there for anyone actually interested is seeing your bullshit in action!

Notice that you quoted and even bolded the part that says "we use." The word "we" means us, collectively. Look it up in the dictionary to confirm it to yourself. I wasn't talking like a baby did it to himself.

However, we don't understand enough about the workings of nature and the soul and the spirit to state for a fact that the baby absolutely didn't take part in giving himself his own cancer. Or do you know it for a fact somehow.

Hey! Thanks for informing me of this. In my communication, I would like to be able to communicate so that people understand me. I am not trying to baffle people with some great rhetoric that doesn't make sense, just to make myself look great in the eyes of others.

So, since you have been so gracious as to inform me about my shortcomings, please show me some examples of them, with enough detail regarding each, so that I know in what way I have been doing the things that you have said about me.

Thanks.

See A guy like coin cube who I disagree with at the core of things at least gets my respect because his response's lead me to believe he is an intelligent person.  His arguments (or rebuttals is probably a more accurate word in his case) seem to contain some in depth personal research and reflection as well as some of his own original thoughts.  While I think his conclusions are fundamentally wrong I absolutely give them due consideration so that I can gather as much information as I can to either confirm or yes possibly adjust my current set of beliefs.  Nothing he has said so far has changed anything for me but I have read it with an open mind just in case he may bring up something I hadn't considered before.

You sir, on the other hand literally make up new meanings to words, use words completely out of context which make sense only to yourself, talk out both sides of your ass at the same time, repeat the same nonsensical bullshit ad nauseam.  You're just another religious zealot that parrots whatever some ancient book has in it.  I haven't seen you present a single logical, original idea in the hundreds of posts here in this forum.

Unlike you I am willing to adjust my beliefs if evidence or ideas presented can pass some logical personal "mustard test".

Let me say it again so your tiny brain can understand it. You said:

''I disagree. God didn't make us unhealthy. In fact, He made us so extremely healthy that He gave us freedom. Freedom, like in free will. Then we used our freedom in free will to make ourselves unhealthy.''

I said: it's impossible for a baby or newborn to use his freedom to make himself unhealthy, there is no way for a newborn to give himself down's syndrome or to be born without an arm on purpose. Your argument is retarded. God doesn't make us healthy.

I'm sure that you have never been forced into anything that some other, evil person forced you into. What are you even talking about lmao?

Yeah, I'm sure a baby uses his freedom to give himself cancer or be born with some bad disease, what the fuck are you even talking about lmao.

I will first hit on health because as the saying goes health is wealth. most suffer from so many deceases because they never pay attention to their body
they often sometime consuming things like food and drugs that are harmful to health.
not until we start noticing our the changes in our body system when ever we take some substance then we will continue to suffer from unnecessary illness.
my second is as you already know is will be on religion. this one is from me growing up wasnt easy around my neighborhood
there are so many parents who believe it that am bad influence on their children so when ever they see their children around me they are not happy
it became nothing to me as i was born and brought up with my own believe. am a christian but with my own view about people, i try to unstand that people have reason why they do what they do. i make friend with everyone and try to understand every religion and their believe. i learn from everyone so that live peaceful with everyone. that i believe is Christianity    

Okay. Maybe you are one of the few who don't pay taxes. Maybe you have freed yourself from that form of slavery. Voluntary compliance. If anybody took your freedom to pay taxes away, wouldn't he be making a slave of you? By not giving you your freedom to pay, right?

The things that show that the Bible is divinely inspired are that ways it matches the lives of people in basic form.

The greatness of the nation of Israel who wrote the Bible, especially since there isn't any reason why they should be as great as they are. They just are.

Bible prophesy that was fulfilled and is being fulfilled right now.

The method the Bible came into being; the pickiness the people of Israel use to keep the exact wording intacted; pickiness thousands of times greater than any other religious pickiness. Impossible pickiness, except that it happened.

The spiritual confirmation from hundreds of millions of people.

The form of the languages of Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic that were used in writing it. Note that the writing form of ancient Ugarit is the same as that of ancient Hebrew. Yet the strong nation-city of Ugarit was destroyed for their multiplicity of gods while the weak nation of Israel survived and conquered because of the help from the Great God.

These are a few of the many miraculous reasons why the Bible is divinely inspired. The things are far from happening with other nations. Even the great nations of China and India are really nations made up of many nations that have changed over and over throughout time, with philosophies and religions that have come and gone. There is no comparison between them and the strength of Israel... strength that is strong in weakness... showing that their Helper is great, as well as being outside of them.

Don't be like the atheist I talked about in my previous post, above. Rather, turn and listen to the health that works... both the spiritual health and the physical health. You are not a slave. You are free to continue to destroy yourself if you want.

I disagree. God didn't make us unhealthy. In fact, He made us so extremely healthy that He gave us freedom. Freedom, like in free will. Then we used our freedom in free will to make ourselves unhealthy.


Look around in nature. You don't find handguns anywhere. But you find the materials to make handguns in many places. God didn't make handguns. Mankind did.

Same with cancer. The form of cancer that God made wasn't bad, but it was good. Mankind messed his whole life up, and set in place methods for the good that God made to become evil. Cancer is good, but mankind turned it into evil. On top of that, 100% of cancers could be healed using the things of nature and life style changes. But people don't want to know this. They continue to go on their way.

I worked with an atheist who got brain cancer. I told him about natural cures. He liked the idea of the doctor and poisoning himself with chemo. So, that's what he did, and he died from it, not from the cancer. So, it was he, himself that did it... not God.



Mildly ironic that you call the proof for God an example of proof for evolution. You hadn't looked at evolution theory? Twisting the proof for God into something that could cause evolution, would make evolution theory millions (trillions?) of times more complex than people could imagine it.

Come on. Evolution people are having a hard enough time twisting evolution theory into something that matches reality,  without making it millions (trillions?) of times more difficult for them. Show a little compassion!

If I was starving to death I would probably do a lot of bad things to save myself, that has nothing to do with the fact that the bible seems to endorse slavery and instead of clearly saying slavery is wrong it has retarded rules about how you can beat your slave and other crazy stuff. The bible is not divinely inspired.

This is certainly one way of looking at the world. It's one of many conclusions one can reach about the universe especially if one chooses to adopt the assumptions of nihilism.

However, this is far from the only logical conclusion one can reach. There are reasons to think that the universe is far more complex then we currently envision indeed that for all our science our understanding remains infantile.

So he didn't want us to be unhealthy but he made us unhealthy, so what happened did he fuck up somewhere along the line?  Ok I guess another contradiction from you and god is consistent!

If only god was so powerful and smart that he could have made a way for humans to pro-create without the need to involve cancer?

Mildly ironic that what you post as evidence of a creator is much stronger against one and strong evidence of evolution.  Also ironic and appreciated btw, that you continue to help illustrate the logical fallacies of an omnipotent creator.

I am familiar with the founding fathers views on slavery. Below is an article on Thomas Jefferson's views . He was from the south and a plantation owner. He inherited many slaves and bought more. He also was consistently and publicly opposed to the institution and advocated for its gradual abolition. He felt that if it was not abolished it would lead to a civil war. He was also broke and his slaves represented much of the little wealth he possessed. He was in so much debt that most of his possessions including his slaves had to be sold to pay his debts when he died and he passed little on to his children.

Sometimes we have the vision to perceive evil and the wisdom to speak out against it but not the will to overcome its temptations.

Thomas Jefferson's Attitudes Toward Slavery
https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jeffersons-attitudes-toward-slavery



You have no desire brand anyone as criminal based on their religion unless they happen to  share their religious beliefs with their children then they are criminals and child abusers?

Sounds like tyranny to me.

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?" - George Orwell, Animal Farm



I find it ironic that you are blind to the fact that your criticisms also describe you.

Christians at least by and large do not seek to impose their beliefs on others using violence or by making it a crime to share a non Christian worldview with ones children.

What's the matter? The dictionary doesn't work for you? Creating your own language?
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

If you were starving to death, you might sell yourself into voluntary slavery just to get some food so you wouldn't die.

Consider the IRS. Voluntary compliance. Just another way of saying voluntary limited slavery.