Topic: Health and Religion - page 44. (Read 210914 times)

Everybody believes in God. It's just that some people don't know that they believe in God. Either way, however, that doesn't keep God from giving His gifts. And just think how much healthier a healthy unbeliever might become if he became a believer.

Math is a language of man. Man is induced to do every math thing (and everything else) that he does, through cause and effect. God is the director of C&E. All math shows that God exists.

The answers are right where I told you in my post you quoted. But you have to think a little, to understand. Not just blab.

Take murder, for example. Does a murderer get grief in his life? Yes! Does he get the grief even if he never heard of the commandment to not murder? Yes! How much plainer can you get? Religion is full of life examples that are realities. Science theory might have a lot of evidence this way or that, but it is not known to be factual at all, because it can be upgraded. Murder isn't ever upgraded into something that everybody accepts.

When are you going to learn how to think? You use language that suggests that you can think. Do you look like someone who is smart enough to think? When are you going to be able to think? Or are you close to pure troll?

There are many healthy people who don't believe in God, so I think there is no connection

And yet there is no math to show god exists, is it? Yeah, everybody knows that working on the sabbath means death, am I right?  ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.''

''Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses''

You shall not make idols, ok, god? You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Damn, can I do anything in this religion without getting killed? These are the values the bible teaches. They claim to have answers but they have no evidence and you chose to believe them blindly because you can't use your own brain.

And it becomes even more plain when you study the word religion in detail. For starters, check out the definition of religion at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

I suppose that would depends on the nature of heaven and hell. Perhaps hell is the process whereby that which is not in alignment with Truth and reality is either rectified or broken down and destroyed. There certainly have been many examples of what we would call 'hell on earth'. These usually occur shortly before the human system that spawns the suffering collapses under its own weight.

The vast majority of "unfairness" in the world is the result of human sin, vice, and malice. What little remains after accounting for sin can be usually be attributed to human ignorance and our limited understanding how the mechanics of reality actually function. Medicine for example is the organized attempt to rectify our ignorance in regards to human biology. As we eliminate our ignorance we gain the ability to remove some "unfairness".  


Seeking to understand or at least approximate and be worthy of the divine is the universal goal of the religious. The existence or lack thereof of an afterlife is tangential.

A lot of scientists in history were religious and many in more recent times were not religious. However, all of these scientist religious or not operated in a culture where Truth was acknowledge to exist and to be a goal worth seeking. Remove that belief and science starts to break down and become increasingly dysfunctional.

''The grounding of reality in the divine and the acknowledgement that truth is divine sets us on a quest to seek the truth'' That seems to me like a very conflicting statement. If people did indeed acknowledge that the truth is divine, they wouldn't be looking for it, the bible says that when you get to heaven you will have all your answers, doesn't it? Also a lot of scientists and smart people weren't religious, even at the time that religion and gods were most prominent. They were searching for the truth without the need for religion or gods or acknowledgement of the ''divine''.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

I'm just saying that if that's the case then god and going to heaven or hell is unfair. No one will be tested the same way, some people die younger for example while others enjoy 40 years more of time where they might find out that god is real or not. If everything is already ''written'' then people are not evil or good, they are simply slaves of C&E and there would be no point to have a hell or a heaven. It is god who made people either evil or good.

Interesting question. I agree that the answer depends on what you mean by free will. According to our current understanding of reality the future already exists. The concept that the future is something that has yet to happen simply an illusion.

This video does a nice job of explaining why this is the case using our current understanding of Einstein's theory of relativity.

The illusion of time past, present and future all exist together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjYqCi93E0

Once we grasp the concept that the future already exists it becomes clear that we cannot have free will in the ultimate sense. We are are forever bound by the cascade of cause and effect. That chain already extends into the remotest future.

What we have is consciousness the perfect illusion of choice our gift from God or the cosmos if you will.

If I give my daughter the choice between broccoli or ice cream I know with certainty what she will choose every time. Her choice is known the future set in stone. You could perhaps argue that she has no free will in the matter but that is misleading. She has the illusion of freedom in that she is able to follow the essence of who she is and apply that to the world in this case by eating ice cream.

This is the type of free will we have. Our destinies are already written but we arrive at those destinies via a testing. We are able to apply who we are to the reality of the cosmos and the result and consequence is our "choice".

The idea of religion is a similar thing. When you say religion, what do you really mean. The full definition of religion expresses all kinds of things that people usually don't think about.

Same with free will. What do you mean by free will?

People have a touch of free will that God uses to direct the course of a person's life.

People have no free will regarding their ability to do, or even think about, anything that they consider a choice that they made. Why not? Because the choice making process was instilled in them by God working through cause and effect to do it... except for the touch of free will that they have regarding their faith in God.

Because of the above, people have a touch of free will, with an overwhelmingly large amount of artificial free will.

What do you mean when you say free will?

But even you, a person who doesn't want to accept God, at least not formally, can look at how cause and effect works on all the various size scales, and you can see that we are induced to think and believe our choices that we make. We are induced by all the C&E actions in atoms and molecules and energies within and outside of us, to make whatever choices and decisions we make.

In other words, our conversation here, and the fact that it splashes onto these forum pages as it does, has been foretold for ages, in the vastly complex C&E actions of the universe and nature that have gone before. Everything we do and say here has been programmed. I understand that it is by God, but God allows you to not understand what did the programming, because the little bit of free will that you have is against God.

Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?

Why do you always deflect answers? I have answered this question multiple times. If your memory is that short, no wonder you are having trouble thinking.

Why do you always deflect questions though? Is choosing to believe in god the only piece of free will that we have? Or what is it because I don't understand.

Or, you might ask, how does big bang work with the real universe?

So the only piece of free will that we have is faith in god? How does that work exactly?

The "ask" may not be formal. But we all ask through the only piece of free will we have - faith in God (r not). God answers with everything else, according to what we ask for in our faith attitude.

Have you noticed how you say these things over and over? You never find anything strong enough to refute them, but you repeat them over and over. Change now, before God gives you what you are asking for.

They don't ask for anything remember? God does everything through cause and effect so essentially it's god asking for hell.