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Where to even start... First of all, are you saying god cannot do something?

Are you implying that god himself cannot stop slavery?

If he can, why not just do it?

Why leave arbitrary rules for slaves?

Second. Slavery is almost gone, in Spain, where I live, we have no slaves so it is definitely not even close to impossible to get rid of slavery and considering we are talking about a god, it seems a very easy task to solve.

Third ''telling those people to treat their slaves right'' Being able to beat your slaves almost to the death with no punishment isn't really teaching people to treat their slaves right, is it?

You are extremely deluded, ugh... You religious nutjobs would go to any extent to defend your bible... Even defending slavery, disgusting human being.

Where to even start... First of all, are you saying god cannot do something? Are you implying that god himself cannot stop slavery? If he can, why not just do it? Why leave arbitrary rules for slaves?

Second. Slavery is almost gone, in Spain, where I live, we have no slaves so it is definitely not even close to impossible to get rid of slavery and considering we are talking about a god, it seems a very easy task to solve.

Third ''telling those people to treat their slaves right'' Being able to beat your slaves almost to the death with no punishment isn't really teaching people to treat their slaves right, is it?

You are extremely deluded, ugh... You religious nutjobs would go to any extent to defend your bible... Even defending slavery, disgusting human being.

Let's start simple:

Take an agrarian society surrounded by hostile nations. Go in there and forcefully abolish slavery. The result? War, bloodshed, hatred, prejudice, poverty and eventually, a return to slavery until the underlying conditions change. Which is pretty much what happened in the American South when the semi-industrialized North imposed their laws upon the agrarian South. And in Texas when Mexico attempted to abolish slavery among the Anglophones there.
Not a good idea. Better idea: Place humane restrictions upon the institution of indentured servitude. Yes, it's still ugly, but in the meantime, you'll teach people compassion and kindness. Educate. Make workshops. Go white-water rafting together. (Hey, why didn't Abe Lincoln think of white-water rafting?) Eventually, things change and slavery becomes an anachronism for such a society.

Which is pretty much what happened to Jewish society. Note this: At a time when Romans had literally thousands of slaves per citizen, even the wealthiest Jews held very modest numbers of servants. And those servants, the Talmud tells us, were treated better by their masters than foreign kings would treat their own subjects.
Torah teaches us how to run a libertarian society--through education and participation. Elsewhere in the world, emperors and aristocracy knew only how to govern a mass of people through oppression. Look what happened to Rome.

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So you can see where I'm getting to with the slavery thing. If G d would simply and explicitly declare all the rules, precisely as He wants His world to look and what we need to do about it, the Torah would never become real to us. No matter how much we would do and how good we would be, we would remain aliens to the process.
So, too, with slavery (and there are many other examples): In the beginning, the world starts off as a place where oppressing others is a no-qualms, perfectly acceptable practice. It's not just the practice Torah needs to deal with, it's the attitude. So Torah involves us in arriving at that attitude. To the point that we will say, "Even though the Torah lets us, we don't do things that way."

Which means that we've really learnt something. And now, we can teach it to others. Because those things you're just told, those you cannot teach. You can only teach that which you have discovered on your own.
History bears this out.

Slaves and slavery exist all over the world, right now, as it has been for thousands of years. Are you against life and health for a slave? Are you against making a slave's life better?

You can't stop slavery. You might want to, but practically, you can't.

What is next best, since you can't stop slavery? Give the slave the best advice for making a good life for himself. After all, a slave owner who is treated well by his slaves, will generally treat them better than he would treat a rebellious slave.

You seem to forget that Saint Paul also said to the slaves, "But if you can gain your freedom, do so."


In Exodus times, slavery was the common thing. God was, in general, telling those people to treat their slaves right. Without the punishment for the slave-owner, things would have been a lot worse. Read the whole Bible regarding slavery. You are missing a lot when you don't look at how God was giving freedom to all people, to the slave, and to those voluntarily making slaves of themselves by contract... according to the things He ordained.



I used to think that you had a little bit of brain in there. But you are beginning to show that there isn't really very much. Your hate of me and religion is going to destroy you, unless you turn from such hatred.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

There should be no misunderstanding in a so called ''holly book'' If god truly intended a book to be the only way to know he exists he would have done a better job.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Is there really anything misunderstood in those verses?

Rather, it's your misunderstanding and intentional desire to misapply what religious books say that says, "They also approve rape, slavery and murder... ."

[ Is the lack of religion bad for your health? In a large survey of over 600,000 people Frank Newport and colleagues showed that the very religious not only report higher levels of overall wellbeing they are also more likely to have healthy eating and exercise habits. ]

I agree with this although it depends on the religion. Members of Christian denominations has this kind of effect on them. Maybe because they have a peace of mind that whatever happened, their God will save them in the end long as they trust and fear Him.

They also approve rape, slavery and murder so I don't know where you are going with this.

almost all religions disapprove smoking, alcohol, drugs and etc. isnt it a care about health ? almost all religions postulate careness about health as body and mental.

Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity. Mental and physical health are the two major type of health.

Religion is a specific elements of a community of believers: dogmas, sacred books, rites, worship, sacrament, moral prescription, interdicts, organization. The majority of religions have developed starting from a revelation based on the exemplary history of a nation, of a prophet or a wise man who taught an ideal of life.

• Emmanuel Macron, the newly elected French President, has no children.
• German Chancellor Angela Merkel has no children.
• Austria’s Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has no children.
• British Prime Minister Theresa May has no children.
• Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni has no children.
• Holland’s Mark Rutte - no children
• Sweden’s Stefan Löfven - no children
• Luxembourg’s Xavier Bettel - no children
• Scotland’s Nicola Sturgeon - no children
• Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission - no children.

What to make of this pattern? It is significant, for sure - not a coincidence.
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And this is just the tip of an iceberg of chosen sub-fertility - implicitly willed extinction - which affects almost the entirety of Western populations (apart from a few traditionally religious subgroups).

It is also just the tip of an iceberg of anti-real-marriage, anti-family, anti-biology - pro-extra-marital promiscuity, pro-sexual revolution, pro-hedonism...

It is decadence, it is nihilism, it is despair.  It is positive, deliberate, strategic evil.

We knew all this already - and we know the cause; but demographics provides the most objective data that illustrates it.

The prominent African Cardinal Robert Sarah said in a recent address in Belgium that by forgetting its Christian roots the West is committing suicide, “because a tree without roots is condemned to death.”

In his meeting in Brussels in early February, the outspoken prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments had strong words both for the leaders of European nations and for certain cardinals and bishops who distort the Catholic faith.

“Not only is the West losing its soul, but it is committing suicide, because a tree without roots is condemned to death,” Sarah said. “I think the West cannot renounce its roots, which have created its culture, its values.”

The signs of this suicide are everywhere, the Guinean cardinal declared, and all boil down to a loss of the sense of the dignity of the person as well as a loss of respect for God and his laws.

“There are chilling things happening in the West,” he said. “I think that a parliament that authorizes the death of an innocent, defenseless child commits a serious act of violence against the human person.”

“When abortion is imposed, especially in developing countries, saying that if they do not accept it, they will receive any more aid, it is violence,” he continued.

This is all to be expected, he said, since the West has also lost its sense of the divine.

“When one has abandoned God, one abandons man, one no longer has a clear vision of man,” he said. “There is a great anthropological crisis in the West today. And this leads to treating people as objects.”

The cardinal said that some Church leaders are also at fault in this suicide of the West, accusing certain high-ranking prelates from “opulent nations” of perverting Christian doctrine regarding life and marriage.

“High-ranking prelates, especially from opulent nations, are working to bring about changes in Christian morality concerning absolute respect for life from conception to natural death, the problem of the divorced and civilly remarried, and other problematic situations,” he said.

“The great drift became evident when some prelates or Catholic intellectuals began to give ‘a green light for abortion’ or ‘a green light for euthanasia’ I their speeches and writings. Now, from the moment that Catholics abandon the teaching of Jesus and the Magisterium of the Church, they contribute to the destruction of the natural institution of marriage as well as the family and it is now the entire human family that finds itself fractured by this new betrayal on the part of priests,” he said.

Cardinal Sarah has been called the “standard bearer for Catholic orthodoxy” and was the world’s youngest bishop in 1979, when Pope John Paul II summoned him for episcopal ordination at only 34 years of age.

He is now one of the most important cardinals in the Church, and his name often comes up on the short list of “papabili”—or papal candidates to eventually succeed Pope Francis.